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Oldies won't ever be dead

Re: Depends on how you define oldies

> There are only about 6 or 7 major commercial TV networks,
> but there are 22 commercial radio stations on my dial.
> Today's twenty-somethings don't listen to commercial radio.
> As that "choice demo" shrinks (both in age and in numbers),
> how can all 22 stations survive? Won't 75% of them be
> playing the same music?

Who says today's 20somethings don't listen to commercial radio. Are they listening in the numbers the boomers did when they were that age? No, but we didn't have much choice...there wasn't much else out there. If "no one" in that age group listens, why do we have so many altrock and rap stations? Neither genre has much appeal to an over-30 audience.
 
Re: Depends on how you define oldies

> Who says today's 20somethings don't listen to commercial
> radio. Are they listening in the numbers the boomers did
> when they were that age? No, but we didn't have much
> choice...there wasn't much else out there. If "no one" in
> that age group listens, why do we have so many altrock and
> rap stations? Neither genre has much appeal to an over-30
> audience.

At least most 20 somethings don't listen to commercial radio, as far as I know.
 
Re: How about 1965-1985??? 35-64.

I am sorry if I am closed minded about this, but I am just commenting on myself. I am glad that I have my music on records, tapes and my favorite radio on airchecks. I keep recording more, and more, because some day soon, I will be the only one that listens to it, so I will have to rely on my own resources to hear my music. I am 46 and plan to be around for fifty years or so. Therefore, I will need a lot of music to get me through. I am making plans for the death of rock and roll now, and rock and roll includes music made since 1954 and up to 1979.

> People who are in their 30's today were teens in the 80's,
> and people who are in their 40's thru early 50's today were
> in their 20's thru the mid to late 80's. No matter what, in
> the next few years, most oldies stations will have some 80's
> songs in their playlists. 90's? No. But 80's, yes.
>
> Then, in the next 10-15 years I forsee the 60's being
> dropped altogeather and maybe then a few 90's tunes will
> start to be picked up.
>
> On a personal note, it saddens me as a twenty something that
> people born between 1940 and 1965 are automatically the
> beloved class of people today. Pretty soon were all going to
> have to bow down to this age braket in all entertainment and
> culture. They, however, were pandered heavily to when they
> were in their 20's, but not us.
>
> Notice how the new 25-54 is more heavily disregarded, but
> those who used to be are still 'special'. I'll bet not even
> the 35-64's before our time where p-andered to this heavily.
> Wow.
>
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I don't know. I am listening to an aircheck of CBS-FM right now, and they are playing at least 65% music from 1971-1975 on the aircheck. Once in a while, they dip back to 1964 or 1965, but they have discarded all fifties and all but one or two before 1964. I don't like that.




> 1975-1990? That's called "JACK".
>
> Say what you will. Say I'm wrong...25-54 is old news. 35-64
> is the new 25-54. SLOWLY media buyers and sales are
> realizing this fact. Programmers have known it for years. CC
> Chicago VP Programming (can't think of his name) was even
> quoted saying this very thing in regards to WRLL.
>
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Re: How about 1965-1985??? 35-64.

> I am sorry if I am closed minded about this, but I am just
> commenting on myself. I am glad that I have my music on
> records, tapes and my favorite radio on airchecks. I keep
> recording more, and more, because some day soon, I will be
> the only one that listens to it, so I will have to rely on
> my own resources to hear my music. I am 46 and plan to be
> around for fifty years or so. Therefore, I will need a lot
> of music to get me through. I am making plans for the death
> of rock and roll now, and rock and roll includes music made
> since 1954 and up to 1979.
>

Blasphemer!
There WAS no music made after 1959....EVERYONE on these boards knows that.
(tongue firmly in cheek)

Or was it 62? or 71? or 97?

Rock And Roll will NEVER die...(to quote someone from a lost era....)

But the rock that YOU liked? Might already BE dead.
 
Re: How about 1965-1985??? 35-64.

> Blasphemer!
> There WAS no music made after 1959....EVERYONE on these
> boards knows that.
> (tongue firmly in cheek)
>
> Or was it 62? or 71? or 97?
>
> Rock And Roll will NEVER die...(to quote someone from a lost
> era....)
>
> But the rock that YOU liked? Might already BE dead.

The rock he likes wont be dead as long as I'm still breathing.

BTW, Manhattan Transfer was doing doo wop covers in the 70's and 80's. I never heard thoes songs on any of the Point outlets! <P ID="signature">______________

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Re: Depends on how you define oldies

Is this a survey of you and your friends, or do you have any actual data to back this up?<P ID="signature">______________
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real deal is:

you just hate oldies, which is perfectly alright. but why do u insist on being such a downer to those who are passionate about the format?

> Blasphemer! There WAS no music made after 1959....EVERYONE on these
> boards knows that(tongue firmly in cheek) Or was it 62? or 71? or 97?
>
> Rock And Roll will NEVER die...(to quote someone from a lost
> era....) But the rock that YOU liked? Might already BE dead.
>
 
Re: Depends on how you define oldies

> If by "Oldies," you mean music from about 10 to 40 years -
> music from when people in the money demos were young - then,
> yes, there will always be oldies.
>
> If by "Oldies," you mean popular music from the late 50's,
> 60's and 70's, then Oldies dies with the people who grew up
> with that music. Early rock era music goes the way of swing
> era music, big band music, jazz age music and ragtime music.

By that logic, Beethoven, Verdi, and Scott Joplin would never have made it to LP, much less CD. (BTW - I have a 5-CD anthology of Joplin.)

People will still be playing Beethoven, Big Bands, and the Beach Boys when Madonna is only remembered as a religious figurine, Michael Jackson is chiefly remembered for his legal escapades, and Eminem is thought to be a misspelling of a candy bar.

> When was the last time you heard Miller, Goodman, or the
> Dorsey brothers on the radio?

Today.... Some of us are more selective about the radio stations we listen to.

One Sunday night a month, Ted Grossman's show Night Train on WLRN (wlrn.org)
<font color=red size="+1">features the music of Glenn Miller</font>.

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> I don't know. I am listening to an aircheck of CBS-FM right
> now, and they are playing at least 65% music from 1971-1975
> on the aircheck. Once in a while, they dip back to 1964 or
> 1965, but they have discarded all fifties and all but one or
> two before 1964. I don't like that.

That's the way WMXJ "Majic 102.7" has been for a few years, and WOLL "Kool 105.5" for even longer. They don't call it oldies any more. They just refer to 60s and 70s.

Fortunately, WJNA has Jon Sommers from 5 'til midnight with his all-request oldies show and Ken Held's Doo-Wop Shop from 6 'til 9 Sundays, followed by Chris MacDonald and Alan Diskin.

Otherwise, oldies are defunct in south Florida.

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