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Omnia vs Orban Video

The largest equipment dealer in the USA told me they sell 4 Omnia processors to one of Orban.

BTW: Orban started all the Omnia bashing many years ago, and they still have those old Omnia bashing papers on their website. Guess Orban is still afraid. Odd that when Omnia responds to attacks made on them, the Orban fans cry, when Omnia didn't throw the first stone.
 
CalifZeke said:
BTW: Orban started all the Omnia bashing many years ago, and they still have those old Omnia bashing papers on their website. Guess Orban is still afraid. Odd that when Omnia responds to attacks made on them, the Orban fans cry, when Omnia didn't throw the first stone.
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In the grand scheme of things, it makes no difference "who started it". All commercial products, from oatmeal to audio processors, are subject to this sort of thing. They should expect it.

R
 
Goran,

You hit the nail square on the head ;D. Racey ads in magazines and tacky videos on their website might suggest how much the company wishes it had some new customers? Heck, maybe they'll be advertising in Playboy next!

RW
 
I heard the DSP xtreme in your booth at NAB and it sounded pretty good to me now. Something must have really improved because before when I heard it it was pretty harsh and now it doesn't sound as grittie. It kind of reminded me of the old Omnia the one that looked like Buick.

Have you heard the Vorsis Wheatstone? They have one on the air in my market and I can't believe how good it sounds. When I heard it at NAB a year or two ago it sounded really bad I wouldn't have given it a second look it was that bad. It was really dense and smeary and clippy and pumpy, things that modern processors shouldn't do. When Jeff Kieth left Omnia to go to Wheatstone he must have made some BIG changes because that processor is so loud and clean now that I almost can't believe what I hear. Its really, really amazing how natural and clean it is and yet it is so loud. I didn't think that processors could get much better so maybe Orban should run for the hills now!

Rob
 
Rob Weller said:
I heard the DSP xtreme in your booth at NAB and it sounded pretty good to me now. Something must have really improved because before when I heard it it was pretty harsh and now it doesn't sound as grittie. It kind of reminded me of the old Omnia the one that looked like Buick.

Have you heard the Vorsis Wheatstone? They have one on the air in my market and I can't believe how good it sounds. When I heard it at NAB a year or two ago it sounded really bad I wouldn't have given it a second look it was that bad. It was really dense and smeary and clippy and pumpy, things that modern processors shouldn't do. When Jeff Kieth left Omnia to go to Wheatstone he must have made some BIG changes because that processor is so loud and clean now that I almost can't believe what I hear. Its really, really amazing how natural and clean it is and yet it is so loud. I didn't think that processors could get much better so maybe Orban should run for the hills now!

Rob
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You mean sterile? Please keep in mind that there is a difference between "good" density in a processor and "bad" density (Inovonics Omega and, from what you are telling me, the OLD Vorsis).

Then there is too clean for its own good, where the audio sounds dead and lifeless, sterile. I can only hope Wheatstone improved, because what I heard last year sounded like total garbage.
 
Oh it wasn't garbage. It was gawdawful horrid sounding! I'm glad we both agree on that. I don't think I ever heard anything that sounded worse and I was surprised that they thought it sounded good. I guess they did because they were showing it at a big show.

But I gotta tell you what I'm hearing now is completely different. It sounds like what maybe comes next after Orban and Omnia unless they can come up with something better. The weirdest thing about the sound is that it has an effortless loudness and you just can't hear it working. It's just big, pretty, and really loud.

The pretty part is what got my attention first and I have no other way to tell you what I hear its almost magical. Then when I switch over to my other favorite station they sounded flat and without any life and I used to think they sounded good but not now. The Vorsis processor really is kicking butts. Anyone know what it costs and are they shipping it yet? Maybe I should try to demo it here on one of the little pea shooters out in the sticks I take care of?

And don't they make more? Anyone heard any of the other ones? I saw some on their websight but it seems each time I look there is another one that wasn't there before. Doesn't it seem strange that Wheatsone is into processing now and that they made one that sounds so good? Could it be the guy they stole from Omnia if so why did Omnia let him go somewhere else if he's smart enough to make this kind of great processing at Wheatstone or maybe anywhere?

Rob
 
Rob Weller said:
Could it be the guy they stole from Omnia if so why did Omnia let him go somewhere else if he's smart enough to make this kind of great processing at Wheatstone
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Perhaps Wheatstone offered the guy more $$$?

R
 
Rob, which model of the vorsis did you hear, the 1 ru HDP3 or the 2ru HP1000?? The first is in the price range of the Omnia one FM, the latter the price range of the Omnia 6EXI and Orban 8500.So in street terms we're probably talking 2500.00 for one model, 11 grand for the other.Maybe they got the CODE right on the newer models, the previous had happy clipper problems with distortion,sounded like a rush to market job.
 
Looks like after a brief visit on the site, they have a number of processors including a new FM 5 model.also have a mic processor.Oh well competition is good, but it will be awhile before they have a list of users like omnia and orban.I'm sure they could be persuaded to deep discount to get some units at market.it's mostly about code and DSP power today, but solid support wil always be a key factor.
 
I heard the big boy at the show and actually demo'ed the HD-P3. Both sounded awful at the time. I would hope that with the changes to the 1000 that they have changed the HD-P3, I would actually look at it again to see what they've done.
 
I thought the video was pretty bad. Omnia has a really nice website and it looks so amateurish that it drags the whole site down.

On the other hand, I like the trade mag ads with the hot chicks and humor. Someone at Telos figured out the target audience.

Kinda like the broadcast equipment suppliers that put candy in the box with each shipment. Someone figured out that engineers, not exactly the most physically fit group of people I've ever met, enjoy candy. Who woulda thunk it?

As far as the processors go, I like both companies for different things.
 
I'll probably get flamed for saying this, but...

The chick ads approach by advertisers, is so old... ::)

R

(diving for cover)
 
Get the call letters correct - spell the name properly, there ain't no 'bad' publicity.

(Frank - if you want to continue our dialog, send me a valid email address. Private replies here are just too cumbersome to mess with)
 
As has been said before, advertising is purely a subjective thing. Everyone here probably has a "hot button" ad they find offensive and puerile, and someone else loves that same ad! For instance, those Carls Jr. commercials with the "flat buns" drive me nuts, but I know guys who think they're hilarious. The Omnia ads and video are the same way - some people love 'em, others don't, but in the end it doesn't matter because the $10,000 question is "Which is the better product for me?"

By the way, Goran, please be kind enough to name an instance where Omnia has bashed Orban publicly. I can give you at least 10 examples in the other direction, dating back to the Harman days.
 
I am astonished that anyone thinks that using an attractive woman in advertising is such a crazy, radical idea.

Some of you guys have got to get out of the transmitter shack a little more often. Maybe pick up a magazine other than Radio World or Popular Electronics.

I say "more ads featuring an ugly engineer pointing at an equipment rack or specs specs and more specs".

Now what self respecting tech company would stoop to using an attractive woman to sell gear? Here's another example of an obviously desperate company who is probably on the skids:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...egoryId=16154&XID=O:sony vaio:dg_vinb_gglsrch
 
HHH said:
I am astonished that anyone thinks that using an attractive woman in advertising is such a crazy, radical idea.
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I said it was "so old", not "crazy. Look at it this way, we have female engineers in the business now. Unless they are lesbians, do you really think a picture of a female in a product ad is going to convince the female engineer to try the product?

And while we're at it, where are the sexy male ads using this criteria for trying to sell a product to the engineering ladies?

This form of advertising is outdated, "so old".

R
 
Robert:

With all due respect, I have no idea what evidence you have that this is an outdated and ineffective advertising technique. Look around you. Look at the Sony ads and website that I posted. Look at billboards, magazine ads, TV spots, newspaper ads, and count the pretty girls. Outdated? Come on.

Are there female engineers? Yes. But absolutely in the minority, the same way that there are female car freaks, but virtually every automotive magazine has a pretty girl standing next to the car on the cover.

Look, it is perfectly fine to not like the campaign. But to say that a pretty girl in front of a product is "outdated" is just nonsense.
You can't be that out of touch with current advertising in general, are you?

I still don't know what all the controversy is about. I guess because it is just so different from the run of the mill Radio World ads that have run for the last 20 years. Maybe that was the whole idea.

I just find some of the posted analysis, theories and accusations completely astonishing, hilarious and down right weird!

No one would have batted an eye if this were a Buick ad in People.
 
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