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[Cowhead]

I love that someone quoted Tony Randall !

Rock on Felix Unger....

....gotta go the Pigeon twins are waiting for me .


-CH

 

[coolaid213]

Btw, Randy is a consultant. He passed the PD benchmark years ago.

Those who can, do. Those who cant, consult.

Look at most of these guys and you'll find a whole graveyard of stations behind them.

and those who can't do either just play with a bootleg homebrewed station because they were never good enough to do it in real life at a real station, right Cedric?

You remember my pirate station!?!? God bless you!

But seriously, whether or not I'm good enough to do it at a real life station is irrelevant. My friends here know who I am, and that's all that matters to me. I consider myself fortunate that you're out of the loop. ;D

You're really good at attacking people, but you're really bad at addressing the issues. Once again... considering your past failures in this market........

 

[BIG APE]

The thing that perplexes me to the point of it being shocking, is that, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why Randy (if, in fact, "kabrich" is Randy<and I believe he is>)posts anything. He doesn't have anything to prove. I can't imagine him needing the ego gratification, and, if he did, there are certainly bigger and broader platforms on which to achieve a bigger grat "buzz" than RadioInfo.com. Could it be because he truly is trying to clarify broadcast issues that affect the rest of us. I mean, he has provoked debate on this thread and others since he started posting in 9/07. In the spirit of posting on a public forum, we, as posters, often do complain and bemoan the fact that bigger corporations (whether they be broadcast entities or a broadcast ratings company) do things without keeping us(the little guy) in the loop or in mind. The thought has occurred to me that he spurs debate to get us to either come to the same opinion as his or to form an opinion of our own to begin with. I honestly believe Randy does not care what we think of him, nor does he have to get credit for ideas that are his or that he fosters or engenders(i.e. spin counts and their superior picture of what is being played), and he does not care a whit about winning the Nobel Prize for broadcast programming theory, I can promise you that. I can only think that he posts to elevate the level of the conversation to that of understanding what is happening in broadcasting before it stops happening and we start complaining about the way things are again(when we can do very little about it). I think we could learn a lot about what he is saying instead of how he is saying it, otherwise, I cannot think of any motivation for him to post at all.

(this might actually be a thread in and of itself).

??? What's the deal with you and Kabrick?? You his Dad? On Tony Randall, I think I remember that speech at the NAB one year?

Where are you a PD?

 

[Ssummers]

??? What's the deal with you and Kabrick?? You his Dad? On Tony Randall, I think I remember that speech at the NAB one year?

Where are you a PD?

Not much except that I used to work for him when he was a PD. I learned a lot from him and got to observe and work with a lot of great radio talent at a great station. He gave me that opportunity and I appreciate him for that. He knows a lot about radio. Maybe the bedside manner could be warmer for people who have thinner skins, but when he says something, I'm pretty sure he's thought it out pretty thoroughly. Sometimes he's wrong, but not often. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just wondering aloud why he'd take the time to post on a radio board when he has nothing to prove.

 

[coolaid213]

He knows a lot about radio. Maybe the bedside manner could be warmer for people who have thinner skins, but when he says something, I'm pretty sure he's thought it out pretty thoroughly. Sometimes he's wrong, but not often. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just wondering aloud why he'd take the time to post on a radio board when he has nothing to prove.

He does know a lot about radio, no one is arguing this! However, once he realizes that the numbers don't mean everything, he'll be a better person for it. I'm reminded of what Lassiter said to Mr. Leiser waaay back in 96... and I can't say it any better than this myself.

"Get the hell off the fast track dude, you ain't doing nothing for the industry, you ain't doing nothing for the community, you ain't doing nothing for the country... except killing the golden goose, I'm bitterly disappointed in you, and all the other people like you in this business now."

 

[Ssummers]

He does know a lot about radio, no one is arguing this! However, once he realizes that the numbers don't mean everything, he'll be a better person for it. I'm reminded of what Lassiter said to Mr. Leiser waaay back in 96... and I can't say it any better than this myself.

"Get the hell off the fast track dude, you ain't doing nothing for the industry, you ain't doing nothing for the community, you ain't doing nothing for the country... except killing the golden goose, I'm bitterly disappointed in you, and all the other people like you in this business now."

I'm the first person to agree that there is an imbalance between the "art" and the "science" of radio...the boat lists far closer towards the latter. However, the "artistic" side of radio is too intangible to quantify and more difficult to teach or convey to those who don't know how to go about achieving it. I used to get indignant when people would regale us with the virtues of "linercard readers" and "less talk, more music" type formats(and the like), but then someone said something to that kind of put it into perspective for me. Please understand, I'm not being flippant when I say this, but since you shared a quote, I'll share one, too. I was going off about a new consultant we had that came in several years ago and replaced our former format with one of those "liner" intensive three ring binder format books that we had to read verbatim. I was going on and on about how the "artistic" side of radio was being ignored and radio in general was going to hell, blah, blah, blah(everyone has one of those stories these days). Anyway, a friend of mine kind of sidled up to me and took me aside to say, "Hey, it's radio and it's a business..that's why they call it the radio business." I agree that there are more important things than numbers. But the "artistic" facet of radio is far harder to quantify than the "scientific" facet. And numbers can quantify the "scientific" part far more accurately. Plus, since one's success or failure in radio is ultimately determined by "numbers" (albeit "numbers" supplied by Arbitron"), it's even easier to seemingly quantify radio success or failure by using those numbers. "Numbers" don't make radio as fun as it used to be, but then, now that I think about it, it was never radio's responsibility to remain fun for the duration of it's existence anyway. It's sad, for sure, but it's true.

 

[Kabrich]

Btw, Randy is a consultant. He passed the PD benchmark years ago.

Those who can, do. Those who cant, consult.

Look at most of these guys and you'll find a whole graveyard of stations behind them.

and those who can't do either just play with a bootleg homebrewed station because they were never good enough to do it in real life at a real station, right Cedric?

You remember my pirate station!?!? God bless you!

But seriously, whether or not I'm good enough to do it at a real life station is irrelevant. My friends here know who I am, and that's all that matters to me. I consider myself fortunate that you're out of the loop. ;D

You're really good at attacking people, but you're really bad at addressing the issues. Once again... considering your past failures in this market........

Let's see, my failures in this market have never been worse than Top 5 in target demos - probably higher in ranking than #5 but I don't want to find out one was not and be called on it. And I believe that I have been involved with at least 6 stations in this market that were #1 Persons 25-54 when I was involved with them - can you name anyone else that has been involved with half of that - 3?

I can think of about 25 other stations in this market that would have loved to be in that position.

And of course my "failures" at Top 5 are lightyears of your successes....which amount to zero.

 

[Kabrich]

??? What's the deal with you and Kabrick?? You his Dad? On Tony Randall, I think I remember that speech at the NAB one year?

Where are you a PD?

Not much except that I used to work for him when he was a PD. I learned a lot from him and got to observe and work with a lot of great radio talent at a great station. He gave me that opportunity and I appreciate him for that. He knows a lot about radio. Maybe the bedside manner could be warmer for people who have thinner skins, but when he says something, I'm pretty sure he's thought it out pretty thoroughly. Sometimes he's wrong, but not often. I'm not trying to pick a fight, just wondering aloud why he'd take the time to post on a radio board when he has nothing to prove.

Scott- As you have summized, i do not care what people think about my bedside manner - just like Simon Cowell doesnt care what people think of his "bedside manner". If you were dying from an unknown medical illness, would you want your doctor to be the crew from Grey's Anatomy or Dr. House?

My success has always been because, as many managers have told me "I am not scared to call the baby ugly" where everyone else is.

And because of the track record of success, people listen, unlike what Cedric might think. If I had a trail of failures, my only job in radio would be on CB or 10watt Pirate Radio Stations, like him -unable to pay the bills.

 

[FiveStar]

You pride yourself on not being afraid to tell people things they don't want to hear. That's interesting since you don't react very well when people tell YOU things you don't want to hear.

Lucky for you you work in an industry where bullying, bellittling and humiliation of employees is considered par for the course and anyone who doesn't want to be treated that was is dismissed as "thin skinned."

 

[coolaid213]

And because of the track record of success, people listen, unlike what Cedric might think. If I had a trail of failures, my only job in radio would be on CB or 10watt Pirate Radio Stations, like him -unable to pay the bills.

Tee hee. 10 watts? You're thinking of someone else, bro. Nice try though. And I had no idea you had inside information on my finances!?!? Could you check my credit scores for me while you're at it? I have work to do, gotta try to pay dem bills, ya know ;D

The part that's really making me smile here is that you're taking wild guesses as to who I am. (Why waste your time??? I can't even pay the bills!) We on the other hand, have historical record of what happened at the Q and elsewhere! Is that a low blow? Maybe, maybe it wasn't your fault... who knows. But you are certainly out of touch with the average listener. Unlike you, I actually talk to the listeners when I'm out and about. I know what they want, and it ain't anything you've said here yet. When you say that the people have "already spoken", it made me grin from ear to ear. You don't really believe that, do you?

Frankly I don't understand what all this talk of thin skin is about! I haven't laughed so hard until you started posting! Please don't stop. By the way, where exactly do "successful" guys such as yourself find the time to post messages every week attacking established and respected colleagues of yours??? I don't think any of us really need to wonder what your motivation is.

Honestly, the first time I saw your name on this board. My first thought was, "wow... does this dude really have the cojones to post here after how he butchered the Q???" Here's an interesting assignment for you Randy, try googling your name and the word 'failure'... makes for some interesting reading. Don't take it personal dude, I just can't sit here and let you attack my friends with your fuzzy math.

God Bless

 

[Kabrich]

You pride yourself on not being afraid to tell people things they don't want to hear. That's interesting since you don't react very well when people tell YOU things you don't want to hear.

Lucky for you you work in an industry where bullying, bellittling and humiliation of employees is considered par for the course and anyone who doesn't want to be treated that was is dismissed as "thin skinned."

Again, as I stated, I really don't give a rats ass what your opinion is as you ideas have proven they are not successful to attract an audience in the real world. I do care what the masses say - as there will always be the few vocal disenchanted wanting to live in a dream world and support Ron Paul. While a dream world might be nice, I find I must live in reality.

 

[Kabrich]

And because of the track record of success, people listen, unlike what Cedric might think. If I had a trail of failures, my only job in radio would be on CB or 10watt Pirate Radio Stations, like him -unable to pay the bills.

We on the other hand, have historical record of what happened at the Q and elsewhere! Is that a low blow? Maybe, maybe it wasn't your fault... who knows. But you are certainly out of touch with the average listener. Unlike you, I actually talk to the listeners when I'm out and about. I know what they want, and it ain't anything you've said here yet. When you say that the people have "already spoken", it made me grin from ear to ear. You don't really believe that, do you?

I really don't believe you have a clue what you are talking about, as witnessed that you are clueless.

If you want to want to say that Q-105 dropping out of #1 P25-54 to #3 for 1 book is a failure, again 27 other stations would love that kind of failure.

I used to beat myself up over it for years, until a strange thing started happening. I began hearing from others around the country how a Manager at Q105 or someone on the Edens Board of Directors had been asked by someone in passing what they would have done differently and 3rd hand I heard from every single one of them multiple times they had told others "We should have let Randy Kabrich do what he wanted to do".

One can only do so much - research showed 12-18 months earlier that Cleveland Wheeler was killing the stations and absolutely hated - but Management refused to do anything about it.

It was more than interesting that when Cleveland took his sabatical that the station returned to #1 Persons 25-54 even with Power Pig on the air (a station that was an absolute finanical disaster, btw) and Mike Reeves doing mornings.

Unfortunately, Garry Wall and Kevin Weatherly had both come in before blown the station up prior to the release of the Winter 1990 numbers - which had Q105 back to #1, so if you want to blame a failure on someone, I suppose they are the ones who ultimately should get it - The popwer that be knew the inside situation - not you and I have been very satisfied with what they tell their friends and others in the Industry on the subject.

Now, if my worst failure in life had only been going from #1 to #3 Persons 25-54 in this market, I would be VERY happy.

And again, forget #3 - when have you been #30 in this market? ;D

 

[FiveStar]

You pride yourself on not being afraid to tell people things they don't want to hear. That's interesting since you don't react very well when people tell YOU things you don't want to hear.

Lucky for you you work in an industry where bullying, bellittling and humiliation of employees is considered par for the course and anyone who doesn't want to be treated that was is dismissed as "thin skinned."

Again, as I stated, I really don't give a rats ass what your opinion is as you ideas have proven they are not successful to attract an audience in the real world. I do care what the masses say - as there will always be the few vocal disenchanted wanting to live in a dream world and support Ron Paul. While a dream world might be nice, I find I must live in reality.

You don't live in reality. You live in a fantasy land called "radio." If you think that bullying, belittling and dismissing people who disagree with you and general treating people is reality, I'll give you a clue: in the reality I live in treating people that either gets you fired, sued or knocked on your can...or a combination of the above, not a cushy job where you have time to tell people you don't know that they're stupid and blame your failures on everyone else.

 

[OldSchoolWoman]

There is too much testosterone here.

 

[John Waywoods]

Kabrich is right about the strategy for Q105. They could have remained sans changes and they would have slowly died. Instead of the absolute suicide it committed. Either way, I'm glad it died because that station was keeping us in the stone age because it sucked like no other station sucked- before or since.
Good Day. sir!

 

[coolaid213]

I really don't believe you have a clue what you are talking about, as witnessed that you are clueless.

If you want to want to say that Q-105 dropping out of #1 P25-54 to #3 for 1 book is a failure, again 27 other stations would love that kind of failure.

I used to beat myself up over it for years, until a strange thing started happening. I began hearing from others around the country how a Manager at Q105 or someone on the Edens Board of Directors had been asked by someone in passing what they would have done differently and 3rd hand I heard from every single one of them multiple times they had told others "We should have let Randy Kabrich do what he wanted to do".

One can only do so much - research showed 12-18 months earlier that Cleveland Wheeler was killing the stations and absolutely hated - but Management refused to do anything about it.

It was more than interesting that when Cleveland took his sabatical that the station returned to #1 Persons 25-54 even with Power Pig on the air (a station that was an absolute finanical disaster, btw) and Mike Reeves doing mornings.

Unfortunately, Garry Wall and Kevin Weatherly had both come in before blown the station up prior to the release of the Winter 1990 numbers - which had Q105 back to #1, so if you want to blame a failure on someone, I suppose they are the ones who ultimately should get it - The popwer that be knew the inside situation - not you and I have been very satisfied with what they tell their friends and others in the Industry on the subject.

Now, if my worst failure in life had only been going from #1 to #3 Persons 25-54 in this market, I would be VERY happy.

And again, forget #3 - when have you been #30 in this market? ;D

LOL!!! I knew that one would get ya going. Thanks for taking the bait, I admit the Q-105 comment was just for grins. But seriously, you're all right dude. You're totally nutter, but damn it, you're hilarious. Start using your spellcheck more often and we're cool! You're actually pretty sharp, I see why the suits throw bread at you. I also see the method to your madness, but none the less, that method is still killing the golden goose, and you either don't realize it yet, or don't care. That's dangerous dude, you're like the Col. Bud Holland of the radio biz. And that Ron Paul comment, absolutely PRICELESS. Have you been digging through my trash? How much time have you spent researching me??? Apparently not enough if you're still on that 'he's just a CBer' kick.

Seriously though, for someone who doesn't care what people think, you've sure got your guard up something fierce, I'm actually starting to doubt that you're really the K-Man. Can we see some ID? And OldSchoolWoman, you're right. I'll behave.

Next...

 

[RickSklar77]

Isn't this when a moderator strolls by and tells everyone to take it outside?

There are several definitions of success, but most of us would agree that money is one of the big ones. And Randy has money. And he has documented ratings success. Of course he has total d-bag tendencies, but in this industry, that's the price of admission.

 

[zoneguy]

It is amazing to me that Randy is in here duking it out in this forum. I would have thought that beneath him. But it is sure is entertaining to lurk here and watch.

 

[BIG APE]

It is amazing to me that Randy is in here duking it out in this forum. I would have thought that beneath him. But it is sure is entertaining to lurk here and watch.

I don't doubt that it's Randy, what I do doubt is that Rick Sklar would waste his time on the Tampa board..I know both and I seriously doubt WABC's Ricky would be sparring with you! Who's next...Wolfman Jack???

 

[RickSklar77]

I don't doubt that it's Randy, what I do doubt is that Rick Sklar would waste his time on the Tampa board..I know both and I seriously doubt WABC's Ricky would be sparring with you!

You know both? Seriously? You're more of a d-bag than Randy!

As my friend OldSchoolWoman knows, Rick passed in 1992 under very tragic circumstances. You've lost all credibility with me.