Processing clips

[menotti1]

WEBE sounds very good, like the voice too,ed ,are you running the ariane from the studio end and the 06exi at the xmtr??also do you feel the upgrade to the exi card was worth it?i'm presuming you did a card upgrade.like that open sound..congrats

 

[tjm_pro]

Another question about WEBE.... Do you have the Wide Band AGC on the Omnia disabled or just backed off as not to conflict with the Sequal??

 

[Ed B]

The AGC is disabled on the Omnia I do not like to run two AGC's.
The ariane is located before the STL. at the studio, It does a nice job in protecting
the digital STL and keeping the levels very steady from cut to cut. The Omnia is
at the transmitter.
The EXI upgrade for the Omnia is needed if you will be using this box for your
Digital transmitter. This upgrade will give you the delay that is need for
your analog audio about 8 seconds or so to match up with the digital transmitted
audio. This is the best way I think to do this because if you were to run you analog
audio thru the Digital Exciter and delay that way and the Digital Exciter crashed as we
all know the Digital Exciter is a computer than you would be off the air in both digital
and analog.

Ed

 

[menotti1]

thanks for the input ed.if you could operate from the xmtr would you still use the Araine in front of the O6,having the agc in front so you could really open up the omnia, or do you feel the 06 could handle it by itself??i think another reason for the exi upgrade was for IMD and for folks that like heavier (why?) processing...

 

[gtomas]

i think another reason for the exi upgrade was for IMD and for folks that like heavier (why?) processing...

Well, I'd need a little more "heavier" processing from O6 so I'd be interested in real life experiences on how the "i" upgraded clipper works and sounds? Is it a substational or subtle improvement? What was your clipping drive control at before the "i" upgrade, and what are you using now?

Appreciate the input!


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[menotti1]

maybe Mr. Foti can chime in on this one.i know it's for diversity delay (HD) but according to the omnia site,you can really run the 06 very aggressive without some of the IMD in the lower freqs.cost of the card was 975.00, last time i checked.. with WEBE's open sound i doubt he is pushing the box that hard, that little 6 is just working and not even breaking a sweat..ha sorry bout that....wonder what mic processing ED B is running.sounded really good...

 

[gtomas]

Yeah, I can hear WEBE's processing is light on the clipping, but nevertheless I'd like to hear experiences from engineers on the "i" upgrade. Maybe somebody else is also using the EXi version of O6?

As far as mic processing and announcers go, I'm noticing that mic processing is done a little bit different over the "big swamp" Much more closed-in, in-your-face that what we do here. I'm used to more high end on voices, more clarity and less compression...


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[wgliradio]

New clip:

Omnia 6 (WBAB) vs the 8100/CRL SPP-800 I have setup in the home studio thru my Energy Onix exciter. Same part of same song. I just repaired the SPP-800. This is two band processing (2+1 with HF limiting in the 8100) end-to-end on my side.

http://fserver.redirectme.net

User: Processing
Password: clips

 

[wgliradio]

I just realized relistening to the clips mentioned above that the channels are flipped from the samples. I know the path in my studio is correct end to end (Left is left and right is right from the mixer on thru to the 8100) and the source has the same left/right perspective as the end product. I wonder if my source copy is incorrect or if WBAB has a wire crossed

 

[surfdude]

The first clip is more detailed, but they both sound good.

I run Aphex Compellor>Aphex Aural Exciter Big Bottom>8100XT>Composite Clipper
on an Oldies station.

 

[wgliradio]

Right now I have this little analog sidechain in my studio of just the CRL SPP-800 and the 8100. I am hoping to add an SEP-800 between the two. I've always thought that setup was very consistant, very musical and not used very often. In my other rack I have my other processing, which is an Ariane Sequel and the DSP-X (the DSP-X is fed via the digital output of the Sequel). I also have a mono preset in the Ariane which feeds a DA via the analog output of the Sequel and another mono chain consisting of a Urei 1176LN and is switchable between a CRL PMC-450 (AM Limiter) or a CRL PMC-400 (which is the old non-NRSC limiter). I use these to create some wicked sounding AM airchecks (you can hear the Urei and Ariane in another clip, I had the CRL bypassed for that one).

 

[surfdude]

The Ariane>Urei sounds AWESOME. Very exciting sound.
Nice job.

 

[wgliradio]

I know. Imagine, a 35 year old wideband limiter. There is a reason why a stereo pair will sell for more than entry level digital processors.

I would love to see a 3 or 4 band design based on these limiters in a digital domain (no more than 4 bands or we get back to the "box is re-EQ'ing everything" problem). I've heard multiband Urei's before with homebrew crossovers, but to get it in the digital domain where the rough edges could be cleaned yet the classic sound retained....

 

[stace]

Uploading is a cut from ZM963 and a rival local AC station More FM in Canterbury NZ. Can you guess what processing each is using? What are your thoughts?

 

[wgliradio]

If I were to guess, I would say ZM963 is using Orban. The highs sound smooth and the bass rolls a little.

More sounds Omnia-ish. Just a guess, but I would like to hear it more with vocals :-\

 

[gtomas]

I'd say: ZM963 - Orban, 98MOREFM - Omnia... The high-end texture, the bass and certain recoveries are tell-tails for me in both clips.

Btw, I do like the way these stations are processed. A reasonable amount of clipping and alive and exciting sound. The only thing is that in the market I am, they would have to be heavier on the bass. I can see that in your market more of a shift towards high-end is preferred.

Are you using 50 µs pre-emphasis in NZ?


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[stace]

Yes to the pre-emphasis

another couple of clips, and it was by pure chance that some identical audio played (Nikelback and Smiths City commercial) while I was recording.

One is Classic Hits (AC), and the other is 98 More FM (CHR) again. This time with some vocal work. I bet this gives it away. I can tell this brand of processor a mile away on vocals

Again

any guess to the processing, + comments

 

[gtomas]

With this new clips, the More FM doesn't sound like typical Omnia anymore. And it's not Orban either. I think it's something else, but what I don't know...

The HitsMix doesn't sound like Omnia or Orban to me, either.


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[Turntable]

I've been keeping tabs on this thread and also uploading some clips of my own. I'm starting to agree with Frank. This is totally subjective and for entertainment purposes only.

The only way to tell what kind/combo of processing is being used is to ask.

We cannot sit here and say that 'it sounds like Orban' or 'it sounds like omnia'. These are simply the most common products being used today.

Could be a 6EX being fed by an Arianne, could be an 8400 fed by an Arianne. Could be a 6EX fed by an 8400 fed by an Aphex 2020 with a compellor and an arianne in front of the STL. Could just be a simple 8100xt with nothing in front of it-- Who the hell knows?

There is no way to tell what is being run unless you ask the engineer what he/she is doing.

Stop with the guessing games and just say what you like and don't like, and then possibly some of the engineers of these stations will chime in with what the actual setup is.

Face it-- in one modern DSP box there are enough settings to make it sound orban, omnia, aphex, crl, etc. Hell... you could probably make an Omnia sound like a Dorrough if you tried hard enough. Add to that all the crap people put in front of these boxes and it's anybody's guess.

Just ask.

-A

 

[FFoti1]

I've been keeping tabs on this thread and also uploading some clips of my own. I'm starting to agree with Frank. This is totally subjective and for entertainment purposes only.

The only way to tell what kind/combo of processing is being used is to ask.

We cannot sit here and say that 'it sounds like Orban' or 'it sounds like omnia'. These are simply the most common products being used today.

Could be a 6EX being fed by an Arianne, could be an 8400 fed by an Arianne. Could be a 6EX fed by an 8400 fed by an Aphex 2020 with a compellor and an arianne in front of the STL. Could just be a simple 8100xt with nothing in front of it-- Who the hell knows?

There is no way to tell what is being run unless you ask the engineer what he/she is doing.

Stop with the guessing games and just say what you like and don't like, and then possibly some of the engineers of these stations will chime in with what the actual setup is.

Face it-- in one modern DSP box there are enough settings to make it sound orban, omnia, aphex, crl, etc. Hell... you could probably make an Omnia sound like a Dorrough if you tried hard enough. Add to that all the crap people put in front of these boxes and it's anybody's guess.

Just ask.

-A

Well said Alan. Thank you!

There are numerous unknown variables that influence audio samples, and they are the wild cards. The *ONLY* acceptable method to audition and judge audio processing is to have the devices, under consideration, setup in an A/B fashion. Then listening to each of them critically and basing a decision upon that.

ADDITIONALLY, and this is important, a true, honest, and fair demo is accomplished when the test is done with full knowledge and understanding of each unit. I've read posts on this, and other list-serves, where the comments made are known to be wrong, false, or distorted "opinion."

I have purposely not listened to any of the posted samples for the reasons you made, and said prior. If the group wishes to do this exercise for hobby purposes, then have at it. I strongly suggest that if any of the group are considering a processing purchase, then do what's fair and get each device, up for consideration, and do the real thing.

-Frank Foti