Processing clips

[Robert Bass]

Hmmmm.... Is it me, or has Frank already forgotten about that little website ad starring "Orban and Omnia"? Kinda seems like it...

Nothing's been forgotten. That ad does not position itself with a "know-it-all" tone. Same cannot be said of this thread.

-Frank Foti

I was looking at it from Kevin's comment of your "attacks of various products" remark. It seems like on one hand you are against the so-called uninformed product attacking posts within this thread, yet you've got an ad on your website that, in my opinion, does the very thing you are against. How do the ad viewers determine the audio quality of a processor, when all they see are two guys with processsor names, more or less poking fun? How is that an "informed" attack?

R

 

[FFoti1]

I was looking at it from Kevin's comment of your "attacks of various products" remark. It seems like on one hand you are against the so-called uninformed product attacking posts within this thread, yet you've got an ad on your website that, in my opinion, does the very thing you are against. How do the ad viewers determine the audio quality of a processor, when all they see are two guys with processsor names, more or less poking fun? How is that an "informed" attack?

The ad you are referring to does not make "know-it-all" claims against the other. There's a difference. This thread became consumed with ego and know-it-all posturing that could possibly influence others incorrectly.

-Frank Foti

 

[gtomas]

Guess the board rules should read "no know-it-all attitudes, please" And no opinions that may influence others.


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[Robert Bass]

I was looking at it from Kevin's comment of your "attacks of various products" remark. It seems like on one hand you are against the so-called uninformed product attacking posts within this thread, yet you've got an ad on your website that, in my opinion, does the very thing you are against. How do the ad viewers determine the audio quality of a processor, when all they see are two guys with processsor names, more or less poking fun? How is that an "informed" attack?

The ad you are referring to does not make "know-it-all" claims against the other. There's a difference. This thread became consumed with ego and know-it-all posturing that could possibly influence others incorrectly.

-Frank Foti

Frank,

Again with all due respect, I believe you're making a mountain out of a molehill. As the fine print states below, this site is for sharing opinions, and if one chooses to take any information here seriously for purchasing a product (for example, picking your product over Bob's or vice versa) based on what it witten here, they do so at their own risk.

R

 

[FFoti1]

Frank,

Again with all due respect, I believe you're making a mountain out of a molehill. As the fine print states below, this site is for sharing opinions, and if one chooses to take any information here seriously for purchasing a product (for example, picking your product over Bob's or vice versa) based on what it witten here, they do so at their own risk.

Actually, and with all due respect, I believe these rebuttals are on account of my request that this list-serve be treated in a professional manner, and that respect should be offered to each other. This thread has not done that.

I have been part of other list-serves where the topic of processing has been discussed and debated - very heated at times. I can say that it was done with respect, and professional courtesy. There is nothing wrong with asking for that here.

-Frank Foti

 

[Phaser]

Gentlemen, I don’t believe it, please calm, stop it, don’t continued, that is NOT civilized behaviour at least show some “respect”, if Mr Foti believes that “acting like a self-serving know-it-all” let him believe it, with yours “doggedness” is not solve nothing, I see one more time such “major attack” on Bob Orban at Google audio forum from some “kids” which call they self’s professionals , it was “shame” they don’t respect his years, if you don’t like the products of Bob & Foti simply don’t buy it, I don’t see any reason to show such “impolite behaviour”
Also you don’t have any sense of humour, that goes for the funny video against? Bob, besides I read here many times “ironic phrases” for Bob Orban.
Gentlemen you must admit you are full of “Blind Super Ego”

Sorry but I am with Mr Foti because he have right and see Gentlemen I use
To respect my “teachers/guru” including Bob & Gregg and NOT “deride” them.

Good Luck Gentlemen & I hope some day to “Growing up”

Greetings from Athens GR
Regards
Phaser.

 

[Robert Bass]

Gentlemen, I don’t believe it, please calm, stop it, don’t continued, that is NOT civilized behaviour at least show some “respect”,

It looks very civilized to me, and I am showing respect. 8) That's what "with all due respect" means. And I am calm. Trust me, if you want to see real uncivilized discussions, you should visit the Take It Outside board. ;D

R

 

[The F Mister]

Maybe we can get back on topic because this arguing does not seem professional to me at all. And I heard this board is for and by professionals solely so..... We lost the point some time ago if you ask me. Just to state once again and for the last time. I respect your point Frank and you are right about our approach not being the right one for judging processors. I am not a professional, I think I never position myself as and never will. You are a professional and you know how to conduct a good judgment but this isn't the point.

I think Goran did a great thing on placing a banner on his processing clip site stating that "These clips should NEVER be used for making a decision on purchasing a processor!" This pretty much sums it up.

We all give each other the credits and respect they deserve and judge accordingly as professional human beings.

 

[kevtronics]

I think Goran did a great thing on placing a banner on his processing clip site stating that "These clips should NEVER be used for making a decision on purchasing a processor!" This pretty much sums it up.

Indeedn, I think it was clear from the beginning that this thread, and all the audio clips posted herein, have been done from a hobbyist perspective, and by no means should our discussion be taken as an objective analysis of how each processor performs.

Just like you shouldn't take my word that a Porsche is faster than a Maserati, I wouldn't take anyone else's word -- not even Mr. Foti's -- that an Omnia sounds better than an Optimod. In both cases, the only test that counts is to get into the "driver's seat" yourself!

Or maybe I can rephrase that, "in the conductor's chair"?
http://www.261.gr/orban tour/foti-conduct.jpg

 

[Slawek B.]

Hello Everybody !

I found that local radio station here in Upper Silesia (it's in Poland), that has a "classic rock alike" format doesn't sound good. I don't wanna give the names, but actually their sound is really flat and small (I think it could be better). I am aware that this kind of material might not be perfect quality (as well as difficult to process) but I wonder if some of you here have sample clips of a good processed audio like that (Just curious how this kind of music can be processed->broadcasted). Also please give info about the preemphasis (50 or 75).

Thanks in advance !

Slawek B.

 

[stace]

My word. I have just downloaded one of the clips from F-Mister of the Omnia One processing Tina Arena.

(BTW this is subject to clean source material and recording method of course)

As far as I can tell the processing has been set using *cranked* the factory preset. I believe Omnia provides this as an over the top preset (yeh no kiding!) I couldn't even listen to the whole track. That midrange gives me an ugly feeling in my stomach. (nothing against the processor by the way, I'm sure its a little ripper)

Gorans Omnia 6 was really nice though, loud with PUNCH (very exciting sound)...Although a little harsh with the top end, but hey it's no Optimod did I say that out loud??

Goran...do you want to borrow my fly swatter? ;D

 

[The F Mister]

FYI Stace, the cranked is not a factory preset, non of the clips of the One are. As I said, the presets that come with the box are really on the safe side if you ask me, on the other hand maybe I like it louder than most people.

The cranked preset was created more to see how far I could push the limiters and clippers compared to the DSPX running side-by-side that night. I must say that with the cranked preset and current Top 40 music or dance for that matter it came thru quite nicely. So I would like to see another sample of current music and see how this comes thru, we are now so dead set on the Tina clip.

 

[tjm_pro]

As far as I can tell the processing has been set using *cranked* the factory preset. I believe Omnia provides this as an over the top preset (yeh no kiding!) I couldn't even listen to the whole track.

As F-Mister stated *cranked* is not a factory preset. You really need to hear the Omia One "on the air" in a properly set up air chain to appreciate it's sound. I have the ONE running on a little 700 watt student run station and we sound as good if not better than the full power FMs in the area.

I was tempted to post clips of our Omnia One on the FTP site but will not do so because (as stated over and over again) it is not a true representation of the actual sound. You can not compare processors based on these clips, you don't know what the user has done to manipulate the settings in any one processor, F-Mister's Tina Arena clip is a perfect example. Additionally, most of these clips are not recorded directly from the air which obviously gives you a different sound compared to the line output of the processor.

 

[The F Mister]

Although it was setup using pre and de-emphasis (50uS) it was not recorded using a transmitter.

The preset was created in about 1 hour starting from a normal easy sounding preset just cranking everything up to meet the dspx loudness.
This was done while listening to dance music. Afterwards running the Tina clip thru both processors and see witch one would have the best result (with a preset not configured perfectly for this type of music).

 

[stace]

I beg your pardon. Cranked has been part of the preset list before and I assumed it was a preset on the new box.

You can not compare processors based on these clips

Like I said, I'm not having a go at the processor, I'm sure it's a great unit, just a comment on the *PROCESSING*

I'm also not saying that the processing in that clip was *BAD* that its just very 'over the top'. Why can't you tell that from a recording?

Afterwards running the Tina clip thru both processors and see witch one would have the best result (with a preset not configured perfectly for this type of music).

and if I we're to be comparing PROCESSORS thats exactly what I would do

 

[The F Mister]

maybe Goran can rename them to "F-Misters-Cranked-Preset"

 

[kevtronics]

Considering how poor the frequency response, stereo separation, and peak level control is on the Omnia One recordings that have been posted, I would not consider them to be anywhere close to an accurate representation of how the processor actually sounds. (Seems to me like these clips were recorded using a substandard PC sound card, such as what is commonly built into a laptop or the motherboard of a PC. Many of these roll off the highs as low as 8 kHz and have very poor S/N ratios.)

Nonetheless, in terms of processing texture of F Mister's audio clips, to me it seems like the Omnia One has effective distortion reduction on the lower frequencies, but not so much on the highs. In other words, the bass and lower midrange is fairly absent of "grunge," but the upper midrange and treble is marred by the gritty sizzle of clipping artifacts.

p.s. All that being said, the DSPX doesn't sound much better, if at all, if you judge it by the clips that have been posted so far. It would be much more enlightening to have good-quality audio clips of these two processors going head-to-head using comparable, unmodified factory presets.

 

[CalifZeke]

p.s. All that being said, the DSPX doesn't sound much better, if at all, if you judge it by the clips that have been posted so far. It would be much more enlightening to have good-quality audio clips of these two processors going head-to-head using comparable, unmodified factory presets.

Better yet...Get a demo of both boxes, and there can be no mistake about how they sound. This file swapping/sharing is a joke, and an embarrassment.

 

[stace]

Better yet...Get a demo of both boxes, and there can be no mistake about how they sound. This file swapping/sharing is a joke, and an embarrassment.

Oh for cryin out loud. FINE

Send me one of both, I'll play round with it, then send it back again! No, in fact why not send me an 8500, and an Omnia 6, that would make for a fun afternoon!

What interests me is that Bob doesn't have a problem with it. Thats probably because he's confident enough that the people who will be making the decision to buy a new processor won't buy one without a demo.

 

[The F Mister]

......and here we go again..... ;D


Anyhow. I must agree with Kevin that the recording was on a laptop (he must have seen it in the photo's). Unfortunatly the computer that we wanted to use with an hi quality soundcard had some problems that night. I will ask my friend (now his computer is working fine again) if he can make some new samples with factory presets. But I still think that the factory presets of the one don't show the full potential.

I heard that the One and more models of omnia had some problems in the clipping when you go from the mixer fullout. On the Omnia Jr. that we use at our station I go from the mixer fullout (al three band at +6) into the clipper (will upload a clip of this box). I really couldn't do that with the One without distortion. I know that between the Omnia Jr. and the One is a huge gap so you can't compare them 1-1.

I'm with stace that it's stupid that you should have one for a hands on demo or just not listen to the clips at all.