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Programmers say Dixie Chicks still not welcome on their airwaves
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sdh483 said:
Bands and artists can and still do have a career if they don't receive a lot of airplay. However, even if radio is as you say "outdated" then it will make things more difficult. You then need to put yourself out there by some other medium. CD or digital sales now are one way, but people still need to hear you before they will buy you. A website is great, if you can direct enough people to it, or target a specific market.
I think that country radio may have been a bit stubborn in the beginning of this flap, but ultimately as has been pointed out here more than a couple of times, the artists in question had a career that was already heading down a different path, and more likely to an end. Radio probably had less to do with that than the members of the band themselves. Think about it: After a year or two, how often to do you hear any artist played with any regularity if they have no new material? There isn't a reason to, except in the overnight rotation, or some other obscure time.
radiobum said:
I think you're right...every 20 years there's a house-cleaning of one generation for the next. Johnny Cash started to slow down in the mid-70s. His friends started The Highwaymen just to get him back on the radio. But everyone reaches a point where the hits stop. Roy Acuff had his last hit in the mid-50s. But he found a way to keep his career afloat until he died. Someone mentioned Merle Travis. He made more money with TV than with radio airplay. So he'd do TV, and that kept him on the road long after his radio airplay stopped.
radiobum said:
Strait basically took his place on the radio. Can't have too many people who sound the same. That's partly what happened to Acuff. He was replaced by Jones in 1956. When the Chicks self-destructed you had other girl trios like SheDaisy who took their spot. Will the circle be unbroken....
radiobum said:
Where you live they may sound like a hick or sound dated.... but some us run into "mountain people" every time we stop at a Convenience Store/Bait Shop to buy a cup of coffee. Try and tell them that Acuff sounds like a hick. Tell them the Louvin Brothers sound dated.
Merle Haggard? He's like Andy Rooney or Arthur Godfrey or Paul Harvey or George W Bush: voices you never confuse with any other voice!
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The hick comment is one that irks me, but doesn't outright offend me. It seems as if country music in general is perceived as backward or somehow wrong by those who don't listen to it or like it. To each their own, I guess.
One thing to look at though, no matter the genre, is that radio doesn't play anything too long once its saturated the market, with the exception of the real standards. Country, Pop, Rock, Rap, etc all have hitmakers who run their course. I can only think of a few artists or bands who have true, long-term staying power over the years. The Rolling Stones are one example I can come up with immediately, who started in 1964 and were doing well for around 30 years. Consistently, there have been few, as folks like Marty Robbins did well early in his career in the late 50's and early 60's, then faded out and had his comeback later on in the early 80's.
Nowadays, there don't seem to be any artists who churn out albums with regularity over a number of years, so why should the radio pay any attention to them after the one-hit wonderdom?
One thing to look at though, no matter the genre, is that radio doesn't play anything too long once its saturated the market, with the exception of the real standards. Country, Pop, Rock, Rap, etc all have hitmakers who run their course. I can only think of a few artists or bands who have true, long-term staying power over the years. The Rolling Stones are one example I can come up with immediately, who started in 1964 and were doing well for around 30 years. Consistently, there have been few, as folks like Marty Robbins did well early in his career in the late 50's and early 60's, then faded out and had his comeback later on in the early 80's.
Nowadays, there don't seem to be any artists who churn out albums with regularity over a number of years, so why should the radio pay any attention to them after the one-hit wonderdom?
new merle album, "workin in tennessee" due out next tuesday 10-4-11. his last album a year or so ago, entered the billboard album charts at 17. not bad for the fact that it did not get any airplay. one of the songs on the new CD called "too much boogie woogie" points fingers at the current state of country radio, and the country music business.
by the way, one of merles finest albums was released in the 90's("1996"). most no one knows of it. some great song writing and singin. makes me sick to see this living legend by-passed by radio, in favor of some info-mercial hick-hop crap pushed by the nashville elite power brokers, to the elite power brokers in major market radio.
merle will be rediscovered at some time by a future generation, and declared a once in a lifetime genius singersongwriter. he will be right up there with bach, and beethoven. some of us already know this, and our heart breaks when we see anyone under 40 not even know who he is. radio is the first one to blame on my list.
i wonder where that new merle album on 10-4 is gonna debut at, with zero airplay or promotion on the AM/FM?
by the way, one of merles finest albums was released in the 90's("1996"). most no one knows of it. some great song writing and singin. makes me sick to see this living legend by-passed by radio, in favor of some info-mercial hick-hop crap pushed by the nashville elite power brokers, to the elite power brokers in major market radio.
merle will be rediscovered at some time by a future generation, and declared a once in a lifetime genius singersongwriter. he will be right up there with bach, and beethoven. some of us already know this, and our heart breaks when we see anyone under 40 not even know who he is. radio is the first one to blame on my list.
i wonder where that new merle album on 10-4 is gonna debut at, with zero airplay or promotion on the AM/FM?
patty, did not leave country music at the height of her career. she was fazed out of radio airplay. her 2000 release,"strong heart" had three singles off it which peaked at #13,#20,#?. her 03 release "on your way home" had three singles off it, which peaked at #18,#29,#60. and that was the last we saw of her on the country single charts. in 05, epic released the album "dreamin my dreams", then epic closed its nashville shop. perhaps patty made the choice to move on from the country hit making game after that, and do that great bluegrass music, which i always envisioned her doing since the 90's.TheBigA said:
scott salvatori said:
All of these guys who once enjoyed non-stop country radio airplay have been unable to deal with the fact that they're yesterday's news. So they attack the people they desperately want to impress. These are the very people who, at the height of their fame, refused to do interviews and showed up drunk or drugged at shows. Sometimes not at all. And now they can't understand why radio moved on. Because they simply can't remember their condition at the time. The funny part is that if you ask them if they listen to the radio, they tell you no. Then they write songs critical of it. They say all the current artists are hacks. And when any of those current artists are present, they say wonderful things about them. And they think no one notices. They pissed away their fame and art, and think genius lasts forever. It doesn't.
scott salvatori said:
She was never fazed out of radio airplay. Her hits still gets airplay today. But she stopped making hit records. That was her choice. She left Nashville, stopped touring, and stopped making the kind of records that made her famous. Then the radio airplay stopped, and she wondered why. Listen to those records after 1998. Tell me which songs were the hits. Then she delivered a bluegrass record. If you don't make hits, you don't get on the radio. That's why you spend the first part of your career building a fan base. Hopefully those fans will buy your records and go to your shows after you stop making hits.
I am one of the biggest Deborah Allen fans that you will ever find anywhere. But I know that after she had her one big bona fide hit, "Baby I Lied," back in the '80s, she faded somewhat. But she has continued to make a great living as a songwriter all these years, writing songs that became hits for other artists, including at least one previously mentioned artist here (Patty Loveless). I follow her on Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter so I know that she has a new CD coming out. She is doing a tour of radio stations promoting the first single from it. She has posted on Facebook about how it is climbing the charts, and asking fans to request it on radio. Will it be a hit? Probably not, but she loves what she is doing, and it shows. I have met her a few times, and she is very sweet and genuine. Oh, and today is her birthday, and she is 58! But you'd never know it because she is still smokin' hot! 8) (This is sort of the difference between being a "star" and being a "superstar." If she had become a "superstar," she would never have played small venues, and it is unlikely that I ever would have met her.)TheBigA said:
yep, right you are!! i fell in love with her back in the 90's. she had regualr appearances on TNN's crook and chase. one of her great songs was "rock me in the cradle of love" which hit top40 in early 93, which i got to play a few times when i was startin out on radio. i'm gonna check you tube and see if any of this is available for view. ya, what a gorgeous woman, and unique talent. i miss her. thanks for the info!
nocomradio said:
Hip hop and hip hop fans get unfairly pegged as gangsters, when most of their fans are probably white suburban kids, so country isn't the only music format that gets unfairly pegged. Not that its right, I'm just pointing out that almost every music format has its detractors who unfairly perceive the music and its listeners without giving it its fair shake.
I remember giving that one a few spins myself back about that time (as well as the followup, "If You're Not Gonna Love Me") at the last station that I ever worked for (full-time anyway) that played country music.scott salvatori said:
I just saw the news that ESPN fired Hank Williams Jr. from Monday Night Football for comparing President Obama to Adolf Hitler. I guess Bocephus missed the whole Chicks flap a few years ago. He must have been out hunting. You don't say bad things in public about the President of the United States. It doesn't matter who he is, or how you feel about him. He's the President of our country. Even if you didn't vote for him.
Oooooooh! I can't wait to see who goes to the public square and starts issuing loud "blow back" on this one! How is talk radio going to handle this one?
(Maybe Mr. Obama will invite Bocephus over to the White House for a beer. It would be a good chance to talk out there differences. )
(Maybe Mr. Obama will invite Bocephus over to the White House for a beer. It would be a good chance to talk out there differences. )
re hank jr: it was an off handed exagerated comparisan comment, where hank jr. said "obama playing golf with boehner, was like hitler playing golf with netanyahu".
big deal, hank jr. dont care. i'd rather see them boys speak their mind than be stifled by media overexagerations. this is a good chance for hank jr. to speak his mind about obama, when he is interviewed across the country by radio this week.
say hank, hows bout writin' a good song about the way obama and his globalist UN minions are trying to ban gun ownership in the USA? or maybe write a song about the obama administration, and the "fast and furious" coverup, where mexican drug gangs purchased guns in the US, and smuggled them into mexico, while law enforcement looked the other way.
by the way, screw the NFL, i gave up watching these prima donna jock itches years ago!
big deal, hank jr. dont care. i'd rather see them boys speak their mind than be stifled by media overexagerations. this is a good chance for hank jr. to speak his mind about obama, when he is interviewed across the country by radio this week.
say hank, hows bout writin' a good song about the way obama and his globalist UN minions are trying to ban gun ownership in the USA? or maybe write a song about the obama administration, and the "fast and furious" coverup, where mexican drug gangs purchased guns in the US, and smuggled them into mexico, while law enforcement looked the other way.
by the way, screw the NFL, i gave up watching these prima donna jock itches years ago!
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