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Programmers say Dixie Chicks still not welcome on their airwaves
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screw faux/fixx/focks news, bubba! i got better things to do with my time than be divided and conquered between two heads of the lame stream corporate news media behemoths.
do your homework on obama administration's agreement to aggressively pursue participation in the creation of a UN gun-ban treaty(Americanhunter.org/dec2010 standing guard by wayne lapierre) come on in, learn up, and dont be a victim of filtered main stream news media ommisions.
do your homework on obama administration's agreement to aggressively pursue participation in the creation of a UN gun-ban treaty(Americanhunter.org/dec2010 standing guard by wayne lapierre) come on in, learn up, and dont be a victim of filtered main stream news media ommisions.
scott salvatori said:
Well, if Wayne Lapierre says it's so, I guess that settles the issue doesn't it.
Why settle for info filtered by main stream media when you can have truly filtered info from Wayne Lapierre.
Why this stuff is bad for BOTH kinds of radio?
http://hollandcookemedia.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/both-kinds-of-radio-suffer/
http://hollandcookemedia.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/both-kinds-of-radio-suffer/
Don't know who wrote Ed's set-up, but he repeats the mythology that Clear Channel banned the Dixie Chicks. It never happened. The only radio company that ever "banned" them was Cumulus, and the only reason was because one of their owned stations, localed in a military town, had been threatened by right wingers with physical harm. That's my point. It's one thing to blame big companies for the decisions they make. But often those big companies are simply reacting to the passions of individuals. They're protecting their employees. I'm sure ESPN could have kept Hank on MNF. But if any of their employees had been targeted by terrorists, would that have made it OK?
Companies just respond or react to the passion of people. CBS had no intention of firing Don Imus after he Rutgers basketball incident. He was a major CBS stckholder, and brought in millions of dollars. But because they didn't react quickly, this became a huge national incident with people calling for him to be fired. That would have happened in the Hank case.
The fact is that ownership doesn't matter. If every station was owned by individual companies, they'd all still do the same thing. It's not an ownership issue. Even stations that weren't owned by big companies don't play the Chicks. Lots of small local talk show hosts are repeating the same talking points regardless of their ownership. There's power in masses, and that's how people react.
Companies just respond or react to the passion of people. CBS had no intention of firing Don Imus after he Rutgers basketball incident. He was a major CBS stckholder, and brought in millions of dollars. But because they didn't react quickly, this became a huge national incident with people calling for him to be fired. That would have happened in the Hank case.
The fact is that ownership doesn't matter. If every station was owned by individual companies, they'd all still do the same thing. It's not an ownership issue. Even stations that weren't owned by big companies don't play the Chicks. Lots of small local talk show hosts are repeating the same talking points regardless of their ownership. There's power in masses, and that's how people react.
'DISAGREE with "The fact is that ownership doesn't matter."
But 'AGREE with:
But first...
'DISAGREE with "The fact is that ownership doesn't matter."
And we can agree-to-disagree if you think ownership doesn't have an agenda.
True story: 2000: Texas Gov. George Bush announces for president.
I'm consulting a station owned by the Hicks brothers.
A FedEx envelope arrives.
In it, another FedEx envelope, return-addressed to the sender.
And a letter, inviting me to contribute $1000.
I asked around, and other vendors got 'em too.
I chose not to accept the invitation.
Hicks' investment group sold its stations to Clear Channel.
(Owner of Premiere, as in Rush/Sean/Beck/et al.)
My contract was not renewed.
Unrelated, but...
Later, Hicks bought the Texas Rangers from Dubya & Co.
Perhaps you snickered when Mrs. Clinton spoke of a "right-wing conspiracy."
But we DO keep seeing the same people turn up, together, here and there.
Hey, don't get me wrong. If I had Clear Channel's clout, and Pittman's canny sense, I too would summon Lady Gaga and all the other big stars to an iHeart Radio Music Festival. Call it "leverage," call it "vertical integration," call-it-what-you-want. But don't think ownership doesn't matter. Mom & Pop owners aren't packing MGM Grand with big acts and contest winners.
And as for...
'AGREE with:
Story-to-watch: Woodstock-on-Wall Street.
Go ahead, snicker that protesters-use-iPad-to-organize-a-rally-against-the-kind-of-people-who-gave-us-iPad.
But something's going on here, and it's closer to the beginning than the end.
And what's-going-on-HERE may look more festive than Cairo riots, or London riots, or what's unfolding in Greece. But it's the same...thing. Just more-festive-looking...so far.
Common thread in ALL-of-the-above: people power, as-regards their media.
If there's-something-missing-from what we, The Media, serve-up, they'll share it with each other without us.
Woodstock-on-Wall Street is Tea Party-of-The Left.
And they didn't need Limbaugh-of-the-left on AM/FM transmitters to round each other up.
And The Dixie Chicks no longer need FM airplay to have a hit...because there's Pandora, iTunes, etc., etc., etc.
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
But 'AGREE with:
TheBigA said:
But first...
'DISAGREE with "The fact is that ownership doesn't matter."
And we can agree-to-disagree if you think ownership doesn't have an agenda.
True story: 2000: Texas Gov. George Bush announces for president.
I'm consulting a station owned by the Hicks brothers.
A FedEx envelope arrives.
In it, another FedEx envelope, return-addressed to the sender.
And a letter, inviting me to contribute $1000.
I asked around, and other vendors got 'em too.
I chose not to accept the invitation.
Hicks' investment group sold its stations to Clear Channel.
(Owner of Premiere, as in Rush/Sean/Beck/et al.)
My contract was not renewed.
Unrelated, but...
Later, Hicks bought the Texas Rangers from Dubya & Co.
Perhaps you snickered when Mrs. Clinton spoke of a "right-wing conspiracy."
But we DO keep seeing the same people turn up, together, here and there.
Hey, don't get me wrong. If I had Clear Channel's clout, and Pittman's canny sense, I too would summon Lady Gaga and all the other big stars to an iHeart Radio Music Festival. Call it "leverage," call it "vertical integration," call-it-what-you-want. But don't think ownership doesn't matter. Mom & Pop owners aren't packing MGM Grand with big acts and contest winners.
And as for...
'AGREE with:
TheBigA said:
Story-to-watch: Woodstock-on-Wall Street.
Go ahead, snicker that protesters-use-iPad-to-organize-a-rally-against-the-kind-of-people-who-gave-us-iPad.
But something's going on here, and it's closer to the beginning than the end.
And what's-going-on-HERE may look more festive than Cairo riots, or London riots, or what's unfolding in Greece. But it's the same...thing. Just more-festive-looking...so far.
Common thread in ALL-of-the-above: people power, as-regards their media.
If there's-something-missing-from what we, The Media, serve-up, they'll share it with each other without us.
Woodstock-on-Wall Street is Tea Party-of-The Left.
And they didn't need Limbaugh-of-the-left on AM/FM transmitters to round each other up.
And The Dixie Chicks no longer need FM airplay to have a hit...because there's Pandora, iTunes, etc., etc., etc.
HC
www.HollandCooke.com
Yes the Dixie chicks do need (or did need..it's far too late now) FM Country airplay. You can't begin to compare being a core artist at a major radio format to being one of millions of acts splintered on Pandora, itunes etc.Still to this day being a core artist on the radio will get you far more mass exposure than being an internet option.
The Man has lost control.
Are they still selling concert tickets?
Since record labels keep all-but the-advance-they-pay-artists, artists only made real money performing.
Under the old model, labels offered artists two things they can now do without labels: distribution and promotion.
FM airplay was part of that matrix.
Now, it's-all-radio-can-do to keep-up-with music being released under the new model.
Example: The Eagles, whose best-seller "Long Road Out of Eden" had no label, as 60 Minutes reported:
http://youtu.be/17VvccJpP4I
The Man has lost control.
Jay F said:
Are they still selling concert tickets?
Since record labels keep all-but the-advance-they-pay-artists, artists only made real money performing.
Under the old model, labels offered artists two things they can now do without labels: distribution and promotion.
FM airplay was part of that matrix.
Now, it's-all-radio-can-do to keep-up-with music being released under the new model.
Example: The Eagles, whose best-seller "Long Road Out of Eden" had no label, as 60 Minutes reported:
http://youtu.be/17VvccJpP4I
The Man has lost control.
Get real, Holland. They sold 11 million copies of Wide Open Spaces, but only two million of Taking the Long Way. Airplay is not the be all and end all, but it still gets it to the "masses" (assuming that they play it, of course). Radio has many things wrong with it, but this isn't one of them. The Chicks can't credit any "alternative" means for those two million in sales, because the release of Taking the Long Way was heavily amped up in the mainstream media. Nothing was actually played from it, of course, but because of all the news media attention it received, you would have had to be living under a rock not to know about it.
Case in point: The Courtyard Hounds release was totally ignored by the media. How much did it sell?
Case in point: The Courtyard Hounds release was totally ignored by the media. How much did it sell?
Evidently not, because many dates were cancelled due to low ticket sales, and many of the remaining dates were not sellouts. I liked the way that they spun the cancellation of their Memphis show, for example, by saying that it was "rescheduled" to Toronto, or some such b.s.Holland Cooke said:
Take-home pay
Would y'all say that, comparatively, The Dixie Chicks are selling fewer concert tickets than other-acts-who-peaked-8-years-ago?
See/hear also: http://www.livefromdarylshouse.com/
Would y'all say that, comparatively, The Dixie Chicks are selling fewer concert tickets than other-acts-who-peaked-8-years-ago?
See/hear also: http://www.livefromdarylshouse.com/
Not a good example. An established group? C'mon! Show me a group that no one has heard of who has done that. By the way, songs from Long Road out of Eden got airplay. I remember hearing them. Their concert (and for that matter, the Dixie Chicks' show, too) were advertised on radio.Holland Cooke said:
The Dixie Chicks (apparently) broke up! Duh! So they are selling ZERO concert tickets now! :Holland Cooke said:
By the way, please stop changing the subject line. Introduce your own topic (a new thread) if you aren't happy with this one.
RE The Dixie Chicks (apparently) broke up! Duh!
In Jim Carrey voice from "Ace Ventura, Pet Detective:" "Al-RIGHTY then..."
In Jim Carrey voice from "Ace Ventura, Pet Detective:" "Al-RIGHTY then..."
Most the posts I've read here are bashing the radio stations, the companies who own them, the program directors, flag waving DJ's, etc.
What about stations that do auditorium music testing?
I know it's hard for a few of you to believe, but there are radio stations that go to their local listeners, play them hooks of about 700 or so songs and ask them give a score on how they like the songs.
I am aware that more than a few stations (and companies) that did this back then found Dixie Chicks songs "like" scores plummet after the incident (which is why most removed them from play). I am also aware some companies (and some stations) that apparently still find their music tests at the bottom of the stack. Or, in some other cases, the songs do better at the so-called "legends" stations. (And, A/C stations) But now that the group abandoned country radio to try to be pop stars, the "fit" scores of the songs are bad.
So, the question is: if a group's music is not testing well with the station's audience, should the station still play the songs out of some twisted idea of "fairness"? Put your business hat on and think about it for a few minutes.
On the other hand, if a station, testing its' music, finds the group's music does well with its' listeners, it would seem to me that there's no reason why that station why shouldn't play them.
What about stations that do auditorium music testing?
I know it's hard for a few of you to believe, but there are radio stations that go to their local listeners, play them hooks of about 700 or so songs and ask them give a score on how they like the songs.
I am aware that more than a few stations (and companies) that did this back then found Dixie Chicks songs "like" scores plummet after the incident (which is why most removed them from play). I am also aware some companies (and some stations) that apparently still find their music tests at the bottom of the stack. Or, in some other cases, the songs do better at the so-called "legends" stations. (And, A/C stations) But now that the group abandoned country radio to try to be pop stars, the "fit" scores of the songs are bad.
So, the question is: if a group's music is not testing well with the station's audience, should the station still play the songs out of some twisted idea of "fairness"? Put your business hat on and think about it for a few minutes.
On the other hand, if a station, testing its' music, finds the group's music does well with its' listeners, it would seem to me that there's no reason why that station why shouldn't play them.
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