Programmers say Dixie Chicks still not welcome on their airwaves

[Holland Cooke]

Not YET anyway...

I'm sorry.
I can't comment on the Minneapolis thing, at this time.

 

[firepoint525]

I have deleted all my hank jr and charlie daniels from my computer......they are now, in the same class as david A. coe.... just kidding...ya all, see, we liberals, still believe in the constitution. We don't brag about defending old glory, and then crucify The Dixie Chicks for exercising their freedom of speech. Programmers accross the Red Zone spoke volumes about their mentality (or lack thereof) when they banned the Dixie Chicks. In the words of Forrest Gump, "that's all I'm going To say About that". Good night.

The next time that Charlie Daniels or Hank, Jr., criticize President Obama from a stage in London, come see me. The Constitution does not protect you on foreign soil. Just ask Amanda Knox. :

Programmers dropped the Chicks for the same reason that they drop any other act: because their listeners demanded it.

 

[scott salvatori]

yep, and some listeners demanded it because hacks like hannity, and limbo got the ball rolling and set the agenda. all they(listeners) did was follow and parrot the leader. you think them corporate media right wing hacks would have lobbyed for an airplay ban if the dixie chicks critisized empty suit obama, the same way they dissed the great empty suit bush?

 

[firepoint525]

if the dixie chicks critisized empty suit obama, the same way they dissed the great empty suit bush?

That would be an interesting "what if," considering that they supported Obama. Of course, now, they would need to reunite in order to make any "statements." The two sisters are now The Courtyard Hounds, while Natalie is apparently a solo act now.

Interesting to note that the Chicks in their pre-Natalie days supported Ross Perot (fellow Texan) for president in 1992.

 

[hornet61]

I have deleted all my hank jr and charlie daniels from my computer......they are now, in the same class as david A. coe.... just kidding...ya all, see, we liberals, still believe in the constitution. We don't brag about defending old glory, and then crucify The Dixie Chicks for exercising their freedom of speech. Programmers accross the Red Zone spoke volumes about their mentality (or lack thereof) when they banned the Dixie Chicks. In the words of Forrest Gump, "that's all I'm going To say About that". Good night.

The next time that Charlie Daniels or Hank, Jr., criticize President Obama from a stage in London, come see me. The Constitution does not protect you on foreign soil. Just ask Amanda Knox. :

Programmers dropped the Chicks for the same reason that they drop any other act: because their listeners demanded it.

Hello, they were burned at the stake in the good old USA,not on foreign soil....Where the founding fathers choose to make the very first amendment.."Freedom Of Speech"....Bocephus is also covered by the first Amendment, and should not have been removed from MNF...Country programmers removed the Dixie Chicks, and they lost this listener and their credibilty and continue doing so today with petty vindiction...

 

[TheBigA]

Hello, they were burned at the stake in the good old USA,not on foreign soil....Where the founding fathers choose to make the very first amendment.."Freedom Of Speech"....Bocephus is also covered by the first Amendment, and should not have been removed from MNF...

You should read the First Amendment some time. All it says is "Congress shall make no law." It doesn't say a thing about a radio station or a TV show.

 

[firepoint525]

Hello, they were burned at the stake in the good old USA,not on foreign soil....Where the founding fathers choose to make the very first amendment.."Freedom Of Speech"....Bocephus is also covered by the first Amendment, and should not have been removed from MNF...Country programmers removed the Dixie Chicks, and they lost this listener and their credibilty and continue doing so today with petty vindiction...

They were NOT "burned at the stake." Hyperbole is not very becoming of you. Neither is denial. Consider the following:

1) They sued Sony (biting the hand that fed them?)
2) They dissed Toby Keith.
3) They dissed Pres. Bush on foreign soil
4) They dissed their own (former) fans.

They survived the first two, and probably would have survived #3 if they had mea culpa-ed enough. Instead, they insulted their own fans for having the audacity to dare to also listen to other country music acts.

Radio programmers and their own fans didn't do anything to them, compared to what they did to themselves. Can you say "career suicide"? If the term "jumping the shark" hadn't already been in existence, they would have invented it.

 

[hornet61]

Hello, they were burned at the stake in the good old USA,not on foreign soil....Where the founding fathers choose to make the very first amendment.."Freedom Of Speech"....Bocephus is also covered by the first Amendment, and should not have been removed from MNF...

You should read the First Amendment some time. All it says is "Congress shall make no law." It doesn't say a thing about a radio station or a TV show.

Im sorry, you lost me here....

 

[hornet61]

Hello, they were burned at the stake in the good old USA,not on foreign soil....Where the founding fathers choose to make the very first amendment.."Freedom Of Speech"....Bocephus is also covered by the first Amendment, and should not have been removed from MNF...Country programmers removed the Dixie Chicks, and they lost this listener and their credibilty and continue doing so today with petty vindiction...

They were NOT "burned at the stake." Hyperbole is not very becoming of you. Neither is denial. Consider the following:

1) They sued Sony (biting the hand that fed them?)
2) They dissed Toby Keith.
3) They dissed Pres. Bush on foreign soil
4) They dissed their own (former) fans.

They survived the first two, and probably would have survived #3 if they had mea culpa-ed enough. Instead, they insulted their own fans for having the audacity to dare to also listen to other country music acts.

Radio programmers and their own fans didn't do anything to them, compared to what they did to themselves. Can you say "career suicide"? If the term "jumping the shark" hadn't already been in existence, they would have invented it.

Who is denying what that did, they called a spade a spade, wheter it was here or England...Freedom of Speech.....the fact that Toby Keith got involved, also, freedom of speech.. the fact that country music banned them for their politcal views that is called censorship, and that is closer to nazi Germany than the USA. We are supposed to be better than that. Their battle with Sony and some fans, that's fall-out from the initial brouhaha. Their true fans , are still fans..we are not sheep at the mercy of programmers..they were ashamed of George Bush not the USA..they just echoed the opinion, I dare say, of the majority of the populace....alot of mud was sent their way and they defended themselves, both sides had the right to express their opinion. But outright censorship, no sir, we don't do that to anyone in this country.

 

[firepoint525]

Who is denying what that did, they called a spade a spade, wheter it was here or England...Freedom of Speech.....the fact that Toby Keith got involved, also, freedom of speech.. the fact that country music banned them for their politcal views that is called censorship, and that is closer to nazi Germany than the USA. We are supposed to be better than that. Their battle with Sony and some fans, that's fall-out from the initial brouhaha. Their true fans , are still fans..we are not sheep at the mercy of programmers..they were ashamed of George Bush not the USA..they just echoed the opinion, I dare say, of the majority of the populace....alot of mud was sent their way and they defended themselves, both sides had the right to express their opinion. But outright censorship, no sir, we don't do that to anyone in this country.

Wow, you really are grasping for straws now, aren't you? They played the "victim" card to the hilt, didn't they? What you don't seem to realize is that their slumping sales were due to their fans exercising THEIR freedom of speech. They have not been "censored" any more than any other act that no longer gets airplay has been "censored." They broke up; they no longer have hits. I have heard them played on WSM-AM (classic country) in recent years. Seems to me that that is where they fit now. I seem to recall that SheDaisy (sister group most comparable the Chicks) was (briefly) the beneficiary of the Chicks no longer getting airplay. But I don't hear them anymore, either. Were they, too, "censored"? By the way, I also don't think that Hank, Jr., was "censored." That football theme had been used for over 20 years, and had definitely run its course. You may not like the way that the NFL terminated him, but that theme had gotten stale.

Aside from what I might personally think about the Chicks, for them to go to London and diss the president was just stupid. If I were a Brit in the audience at their show, I would have been like, "who cares? He's your president, not ours."

 

[hornet61]

I'll let you have the last word...we probably have beat this to death anyway ,but, i still enjoyed debating with you, as always....

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

I'll let you have the last word...we probably have beat this to death anyway ,but, i still enjoyed debating with you, as always....

As long as we keep kicking this debate down the road by stretching the euphemism of "censorship", and as long as we naively brand Bush as the cause of a perceived injustice heaped upon the Dixie Chicks, this thread will continue spinning it's wheels.

Yes, the Dixie Chicks excersized their right to free expression, albeit on foriegn soil. But they also took a business risk (another inaliable right), and it backfired. Consumers first, then radio programmers, reacted with contempt to Natalie's mindlessly inapropriate ideological shop talk. The blowback was hurled by consumers, not President Bush, and certainly not censorship!

Linda Rhondstadt made a similar, though perhaps not as fatal foot-in-the-mouth mistake in Las Vegas, by pausing between songs to bash Bush. Crosby, Stills & Nash had ticket-holders eating out of palm of their hands at a concert I attended in '08, that is until Graham Nash hushed the crowd by pumping his fist in the air, prostelizing that we all "remember to vote for Obama!" Not that there were no Obama fans at the Civic Center that night. No, what mattered was that fans had paid $65 to $125 for those seats, and expected to be entertained, not told by a rock performer how to vote in 4-months.

Have I connected with anyone here?

 

[flashback]

speaking of crosby , stills and nash durring the clinton/bush sr. election david crosby said between one song durring a concert i saw them at something about we need to get that guy out of the white house.i was not a clinton supporter but i didn`t care when he said it.

the big thing to me is if a musical performer durring a concert makes a long political statement i go to to see them do music i will not like it.

if they say a sentence or two and go on i don`t see the outrage.

after all in the 60`s and into the 70`s politics was a major part of the total music package of many performers.

 

[firepoint525]

Linda Rhondstadt made a similar, though perhaps not as fatal foot-in-the-mouth mistake in Las Vegas, by pausing between songs to bash Bush. Crosby, Stills & Nash had ticket-holders eating out of palm of their hands at a concert I attended in '08, that is until Graham Nash hushed the crowd by pumping his fist in the air, prostelizing that we all "remember to vote for Obama!" Not that there were no Obama fans at the Civic Center that night. No, what mattered was that fans had paid $65 to $125 for those seats, and expected to be entertained, not told by a rock performer how to vote in 4-months.

Graham Nash? Isn't he British? Just what we need, a Briton telling US how to vote! :

I read a review of that Ronstadt show, which basically said that it was a snoozefest until she mentioned Michael Moore by name. Remember that this was at the height of Fahrenheit 911.

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

Linda Rhondstadt made a similar, though perhaps not as fatal foot-in-the-mouth mistake in Las Vegas, by pausing between songs to bash Bush. Crosby, Stills & Nash had ticket-holders eating out of palm of their hands at a concert I attended in '08, that is until Graham Nash hushed the crowd by pumping his fist in the air, prostelizing that we all "remember to vote for Obama!" Not that there were no Obama fans at the Civic Center that night. No, what mattered was that fans had paid $65 to $125 for those seats, and expected to be entertained, not told by a rock performer how to vote in 4-months.

Graham Nash? Isn't he British? Just what we need, a Briton telling US how to vote! :

I read a review of that Ronstadt show, which basically said that it was a snoozefest until she mentioned Michael Moore by name. Remember that this was at the height of Fahrenheit 911.

According to Wikipedia, Nash became an American citizen in 1978. Still, in 2010, the Brits inducted him into The Order of the British Empire, a ceremonial honor for his contribution to music. Last year, he and David Crosby played an impromtu performance for an Occupy Wall Street crowd.

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

Linda Rhondstadt made a similar, though perhaps not as fatal foot-in-the-mouth mistake in Las Vegas, by pausing between songs to bash Bush. Crosby, Stills & Nash had ticket-holders eating out of palm of their hands at a concert I attended in '08, that is until Graham Nash hushed the crowd by pumping his fist in the air, prostelizing that we all "remember to vote for Obama!" Not that there were no Obama fans at the Civic Center that night. No, what mattered was that fans had paid $65 to $125 for those seats, and expected to be entertained, not told by a rock performer how to vote in 4-months.

Graham Nash? Isn't he British? Just what we need, a Briton telling US how to vote! :

I read a review of that Ronstadt show, which basically said that it was a snoozefest until she mentioned Michael Moore by name. Remember that this was at the height of Fahrenheit 911.

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

Linda Rhondstadt made a similar, though perhaps not as fatal foot-in-the-mouth mistake in Las Vegas, by pausing between songs to bash Bush. Crosby, Stills & Nash had ticket-holders eating out of palm of their hands at a concert I attended in '08, that is until Graham Nash hushed the crowd by pumping his fist in the air, prostelizing that we all "remember to vote for Obama!" Not that there were no Obama fans at the Civic Center that night. No, what mattered was that fans had paid $65 to $125 for those seats, and expected to be entertained, not told by a rock performer how to vote in 4-months.

Graham Nash? Isn't he British? Just what we need, a Briton telling US how to vote! :

I read a review of that Ronstadt show, which basically said that it was a snoozefest until she mentioned Michael Moore by name. Remember that this was at the height of Fahrenheit 911.

 

[vchimpanzee]

While this isn't country, the DJ said this morning that girl singing "Lullaby of Broadway" with Tony Bennett was not one girl but The Chicks.

 

[jfrancispastirchak]

if the dixie chicks are to be judged by country music fans it should be for their music.

I agree, they may have an opinion and a political belief but, they were the ones who couldn't separate music from politics. They were the ones who made the statement a part of their show in another country.

True. The Dixie Chicks put that political ball into play, not some nosey fan scrutinizing their political orientation. It was Natalie who shot herself in the foot. To this day, the entire act is still limping.

 

[EZway2go]

By the time they returned to the US two months later, things were already out of hand, and it was too late to "make nice." Then they release their fourth album, and they make it seem like they were the ones who were wronged. Sorry, folks. We know the real story.

Yes, I guess releasing a song called "Not Ready To Make Nice" certainly didn't help their situation and may have even stoked a dying fire all over again.