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Pulse 87.7

That is all true, but if they find out that there is something "good" on 87.7, they will check it out. Just like how, for many years, 103.5 was the country frequency, about as far away from rhythmic music as you can get. Then 'KTU comes along, and they go all the way to #1. Ditto Z100 way back when it first came on the scene in the 80's, replacing a station that wasn't even broadcasting from Empire or the WTC if I'm not mistaken. Yes, those stations were in the commercial band, however, when new stations were launched on those frequencies, they were able to attract listeners who probably had never tuned in to that frequency before, and were able to do well. In this day and age, I don't feel dial position matters as much, just as long as you know "where to go."

What they will have a harder time getting, and I will concede this, is the casual listener that just scans through the stations until they find something they like. They may not go all the way down to 87.7. But most listeners will probably respond to word of mouth and any advertising/publicity they hear about and check it out.
 
neo11 said:
Again, the 87.7 in Anchorage seems to have been doing this for quite a while, and I think with full FM modulation, so my guess is that the Pulse 87.7 will keep using full FM modulation as well.

If the Pulse does something really unique and out of the box, and really catches the vibe and the music scene of the city that is ignored by the existing stations, then I have a feeling that it *will* be successful. Keep in mind that they will not have the same pressure for ratings that "real" radio stations have, and as such will be under fewer constraints to "play it safe." If they can build a loyal following that will get local advertisers results, they will be fine.
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They would be well advised to keep Mr Torain on a short leash and long delay.

That "station" is one-horse operation, I doubt they have much of a legal dept and one indecency fine would put them out of business.

Lino
 
neo11 said:
Again, the 87.7 in Anchorage seems to have been doing this for quite a while, and I think with full FM modulation, so my guess is that the Pulse 87.7 will keep using full FM modulation as well.
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It should be noted:

- The company that owns 87.7 in Anchorage has purchased a regular FM station (on 94.7, licensed to Houston, Alaska) and moved the KZND calls & format to that station.

- The company that owns 87.7 in Anchorage also owns KYES-TV channel 5 there. They have been assigned (I believe at their own request) channel 6 for their interim DTV operation.

- The TV signal is now being used to relay a Kasilof non-commercial FM station. Said station also has a regular translator in Anchorage, on 104.5.

- If they are still running at FM modulation levels, then it's still illegal. (IMHO - though you should know I'm an engineer & not a lawyer) It is my belief that it's legal to use the FM stereo system, but modulation has to be limited to +/-25kHz.
 
And my point is, on the modulation, that if it is indeed illegal (I don't know or care one way or another), the FCC certainly isn't enforcing it, in Anchorage or here in NY. 87.7 has been on the air for over two years now and nothing's changed.

As for dial position, people will look "that low" if they know there is a station there that they want to hear. If the potential audience for a station is targeted correctly, then it will come. I look at the ethnic stations that broadcast in the SCA bands, which you need a special radio to listen to. They target a certain specific audience, and that audience has found them, even with the added burden of having to get a special radio that picks up those sub-frequencies.
 
If the actual TV audio frequency is used doesn't it also come in on 89.9? I can remember hearing WPSD NBC 6 in Paducah, KY advertising to listen to their news while driving home by tuning to 89.9 in the past.

Actually I listen to 87.7 pretty regularly. It's the frequency I use in my car for for the transmitter for my MP3 player. 8)
 
MarcR said:
I think you're living in a Pollyanna-ish alternate universe if you genuinely believe there's that much of a demand, outside of weekend speciality shows, for an ultra-niche genre like current dance. Current Dance is an ideal format for an HD2 or HD3 station or, of course, satellite radio.
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Current dance is a niche format in the US. because there is no exposure to it. It is a vastly popular format abroad. That being said, a dance, top 40 format would draw listeners in a New York. Lastly WYNZ-LP's ploy is not to beat say Z100 but to "create" a buzz and niche format. I don't think with it's dial position at 87.7 anyone thinks it will be in direct competition with the big players.
 
anotherguy said:
If the actual TV audio frequency is used doesn't it also come in on 89.9? I can remember hearing WPSD NBC 6 in Paducah, KY advertising to listen to their news while driving home by tuning to 89.9 in the past.
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It shouldn't...

The actual TV audio frequency is either 87.74, 87.75, or 87.76 depending upon the TV stations "channel offset". (many TV stations are expected by the FCC to operate 10kHz "off frequency" to mitigate fringe-area video interference)

I've seen billboards where WPSD advertises the ability to hear their audio on a FM radio. Don't remember which frequency they specify - it may have been 87.9, which is close enough to 87.76 for most radios. (especially in light of the fact that WPSD is using legal TV modulation, so their sound is not likely to deviate out of the receiver passband even if tuned off-frequency)
 
I believe the *actual* aural frequency of TV Ch. 6 is 87.75. You don't see frequencies like these in North America, but they're everywhere in England, Africa and parts of Asia (Sunshine Radio in Pattaya, Thailand operates on 107.75 FM.)
 
w9wi said:
anotherguy said:
If the actual TV audio frequency is used doesn't it also come in on 89.9? I can remember hearing WPSD NBC 6 in Paducah, KY advertising to listen to their news while driving home by tuning to 89.9 in the past.
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It shouldn't...

The actual TV audio frequency is either 87.74, 87.75, or 87.76 depending upon the TV stations "channel offset". (many TV stations are expected by the FCC to operate 10kHz "off frequency" to mitigate fringe-area video interference)

I've seen billboards where WPSD advertises the ability to hear their audio on a FM radio. Don't remember which frequency they specify - it may have been 87.9, which is close enough to 87.76 for most radios. (especially in light of the fact that WPSD is using legal TV modulation, so their sound is not likely to deviate out of the receiver passband even if tuned off-frequency)
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I meant to type 87.9 but must have accidentally typed 89.9 instead. Sorry about that. I know that I've caught their audio on my car radio in in the past when I was in range. I live outside the range of getting them now though.
 
You can bet people will find 87.7. If radios start at 87.5 and they tune up, 87.7 will be the first station. It will be the easiest to find on an analog radio, just tune all the way left.
Because the signal is limited, it's best if it has a rare format like current dance. People in Long Island and Connecticut listen to Party 105 through the static because it's the only source of current dance music. If it is the same format as Z100, few people will listen. It should be something worth listening to.
 
Im hearing that its gonna be new dance at night and other "local" pop music (rock, hip hop, etc) during the other hours.
 
Nick said:
Because the signal is limited, it's best if it has a rare format like current dance.
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Again, I'm not so sure of the signal's limitations. Over the weekend, I heard it in perfect stereo along the New York State Thruway nearly all the way to Kingston.

Anita
 
so Star and Buckwild start on Feb. 4 but is there a launch date for Pulse or do they sign on with Star and Buck??
No info. given on it's site.
 
Bongwater said:
KZND-LP TV 6 (87.7) Anchorage (now KOAN-LP) was doing this first back in '99. It got actual ratings.
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Don't know if anyone else has covered this yet: KZND-LP never showed up in the Anchorage ARB's - which is why they are now KZND-FM 94.7...they did get a decent amount of attention though as their alternative format was a gaping hole in the market.
 
Nick said:
It's good to the north and east. I heard it as far as Bridgeport, CT.
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That tells me something is wrong. They're supposed to have a near total null directly toward Bridgeport.

Given the other alleged shenanigans involving exactly what frequency they're on and all that, this doesn't surprise me.
 
Would that null apply to both the audio and the video contours though? Because even in an area that is within their contour, I have a lot of trouble receiving a picture on channel 6, but their audio comes in perfectly.
 
neo11 said:
Would that null apply to both the audio and the video contours though? Because even in an area that is within their contour, I have a lot of trouble receiving a picture on channel 6, but their audio comes in perfectly.
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Yes, it *should* apply to both. It's certainly conceivable that in practice, they're different.
 
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