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Q 105 ALL Christmas

Kabrich said:
jackshell said:
Can't we all just get along?

I mean, you're arguing about a radio station from twenty years ago.

Happy holidays.

no s**t.

it seems people on this board have to post daily about living in the past. They must have a lovely life!

and people thought I was a miserable person ::)

Simply goes to show you that there is little or nothing to talk about in Tamp/St Pete radio market this decade. Aside from the Bubba/MJ feud, nada. Even the sportstalk stations aren't scrapping.

BTW..back to the original thread...the other night the Q had Bing Crosby, Gene Autry and Johnny Mathis back to back as part of their All Christmas format. Even the Duv was outrocking the Q, lol.
 
i was listening on sunday afternoon, heard two johnny mathis tunes, michael crawford, wham, burl ives, bing crosby and nat king cole in the same hour. I thought i was in a retirement home.....i know its xmas, but geez, contemporary artists - in the alleged Q format - released christmas tunes.
 
Christmas is so difficult to program. Every artist has a Christmas album. Problem is there are only maybe a dozen titles. Just from listening it appeared that Q105 was digging really really deep and the result was some unfamiliar and bad songs. Magic seems to have a good mix. There is nothing wrong with Sinatra, Mathis, Crosby, Dean Martin, et al. Those standards are the backbone of the genre. Christmas music is "cradle to grave" demographically so "targets" are really not an issue as much. In fact, stations could even dig deeper with older material and artists. Otherwise there is a lot of "fluff" and album filler Christmas music that isn't very good. Mix in a ton of "Steamroller" and "Trans-Siberian" and that ilk to balance it all out.
 
Personally I think "digging really deep" is actually programmers throwing the Christmas format together as quickly and with as little effort as possible... I'll grant that maybe there's some sentiment towards playing "traditional" sounding artists, but with a little effort a station with Q's demos could easily be playing 90% artists that they regularly play, and filling in with a classics category (White Christmas, Blue Christmas, the Christmas Song, It's the most Wonderful time of the Year (Andy Williams' original), The Little Drummer Boy, Rudolph.... you get it.) Plus Mannheim Steamroller and Trans-Siberian Orchestra in good quantities.

You could make a particular title into a category on Selector or whatever they use now, and rotate it by artist (so you hear White Christams every 3 hours, but by a different artist each time).

These Christmas formats always sound like a total hodgepodge with no rhyme or reason to what's on, just pretty much whatever they could find.
 
Could any other Tampa station generate 7 pages? Probably not. That alone is a tribute. Image seven pages on a Cox property. Every post would have to be new.
 
The all-Christmas music programming is all about putting the station on auto-pilot, as much as possible for three weeks. Everyone burns off whatever (non-accruing) vacation time they haven't used up yet. Mason & Co have never been particularly well-known for careful music selection. Why should Xmas be any different? Plus radio is off-book for about three weeks in Dec-Jan, so who cares who listens?
 
SORRY TO SPOIL THE "BACK TO Christmas spirit" and all the revolutionary talk about old Christmas songs, but I just had to jump back for one last time to make something clear. I only RESPONDED to comments being made about the new vs old Q105. I think I presented a fair picture of what happened in my mind and from everything I read and have discussed with radio people, pretty much a consensus. I believe that I made my point that Q105, and in particular, the ZOO made that time in my life special......something that no other radio station has been able to do since.

Just as all the "MEN BEHIND THE CURTAIN" create a fabricated persona for political candidates to persuade you that all is not what you see or read, I educate myself to know that the radio biz has all the numbers geeks to justify what they do, then tell people, according to statistics, this is what you really want. Seems to be the big charade in every business sector in the country these days or we wouldn't be in the financial mess we are in.

So it made me a little angry that "Kabrich" comes out of nowhere to attempt to bash me, my opinion and my fond memory of great radio, as I heard it in Tampa Bay.

As to the comment by one who inferred that if I didn't know who Kabrich was, that I should keep opinions to myself, my comments are just as valuable as anyone else's. This is a discussion board, isn"t it? I have enjoyed reading for a long time..sort of like looking through that one way window at all you radio types but until very recently haven't commented. I didn't seek approval or initiation to join an exclusive club...only to share what was on my mind about the main subject, radio.

Maybe someone with no life BUT radio can't be touched by it in the same way as those on the outside of the dial and quite possibly, that is what these kinds of people (radio decision makers) need to pay most attention to instead of putting more of less into every aspect of radio.

I can tell you this, from the front seat of my car on the way to work, it was a sad day when Q started sucking hind-tit on the PIG and lost respect for itself. This happened long before Cleveland got back from the long vacation. You could hear the lack of that long time confidence on the air and all that "Reigning in" of the casual, friendly feeling you used to instantly get from the station. It was that warmth that made them more than just radio dee jays.

If things sounded to a fan like they were going down hill well before Cleveland left on his "sabbatical" and certainly well before he returned, then Q105's loss in numbers was more the fault of it surrendering to the POWER PIG and rolling over, rather than the total fault of it's morning show, as the "Kabrichs" would have you believe is the black and white of it.

The articles were numerous in the papers - EVEN Creative Loafing wrote an in depth article about Q105 giving it up and playing mimic to the Pig. Forget any logical reasoning for this suicide...it's indefensible but it happened. When someone has proven, in a very short time that they have the best PORK (Power Pig), Tampa's most renowned VEGETARIAN (Q105) isn't very credible in convincing mostly new pork lovers (having just blown all vegans off) they are now everyone's favorite meat.

This is, in fact, what happened. Q105 killed itself. The articles respectfully state that consistently. Mr. Edens hired people to come in and install a music format that was almost identical to the PIG and put personalities with a presentation and appeal to 15 year olds. Mason and the other originals were already gone when Cleveland got back. There HAD to be some damage done to ratings because of that, alone. When Cleveland came back on the air, I recall him making comments about the music as if he was as surprised as the people who had supported the station for years. He sounded out of place and obviously by design. It is still a big mystery as to why all the dysfunctional strategy to have him return, go back on the air and play dance music, then go through the whole negative business of taking him off. Why not just say, "hey, it's been nice, here's a check..now move along" but it sounded like the station had to have a misery party. MIND YOU, THIS IS WHAT IT SOUNDED LIKE TO MY EARS AND MANY OTHERS. They may not be "trained Kabrich ears" but they are ears that be the certificate of death to a radio station.

I don't believe anyone can champion the short lived ZOO replacements and their fabulous audience success in Tampa. If they were so great, and the music change was so right on, why isn't the station cooking away today, as it was then? There is no grand statue of Gary Wall, the guy who took a legendary station and turned it into a garbage disposal and the only thing genuine about today's Q105 is the old logo banner. The great spirit left the station while Edens still had title to it.

Although it was never a plan to write this innocent epitaph about a once-great radio station for the purpose of defending specific people and condemning others, I have been attacked for my views so I feel I must defend the honor of the departed.

I spoke to people who have listened to WQYK all their lives. I even got to speak with someone who still works at the station and was there when Cleveland was hired.

The listeners told me they though Cleveland's show was good and beyond that didn't have too many observant comments. NONE OF THEM MENTIONED HEARING Michael Jackson songs. I was told by the QYK employee that hiring Cleveland was considered a bold move even by those who did it but that they had great respect for his abilities and market success. Above all though was that Cleveland had great name recognition and QYKs numbers were already being whittled down by the new country competitor, Q105 before he took the job and the long-time QYK morning host had it.! It was said that the powers believed that hanging the name out, with years of association to Q105 would devalue the competitor. Huh?

PERHAPS, Q-105 WAS ACTUALLY GIVEN POINTS THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE RECEIVED AS THE RESULT OF THAT. YET ANOTHER BRILLIANT, RADIO DECISION. His exit was most likely (popularly summarized by those I spoke to) due to that very,aforementioned revelation by the geniuses in programming and management.

This seems to be radio's best escape for their own failings. Some man or woman behind the mike customarily takes the bullet for a power suit. But radio, in general, doesn't just victimize their own to cover their mistakes. Now, once loyal listeners are radio's biggest causalities and nobody much seems to care.
 
As another person who never worked in radio, I second the emotion. I was not in Tampa to hear this, but I have certainly seen leading stations self-destruct. I would add KQV in Pittsburgh in reacting to 13Q and WEZS in Richmond in reaction to MIX 106. In that case, both failed. Mix was never a threat to EZ 104 and flipping to "The Best Mix" made no sense and history proved it. Keep on expressing yourself. At least you get a reaction. Half the time my threads kill a post!
 
FYI: The Q seemed to kill itself because, to the outsider, their response was clumsy. It has been written on this board previously that the Pig was no. 1 by its first week. The town was ready for a change- plain and simple. There first response was no response and they began losing advertisers and then had to cut their billings. You can state that the Pig was not profitable, though they were no.1., this was due to the low 25-54 audience which took longer to respond to the new sound and attitude. I loved it.
Meanwhile back at the Q: there were more songs on the "Do not play list", than on the play list. Coincidently, they were always songs that appealed to African Americans, Hispanics, and the youth market. I remember that it was the last station to add songs like Boom Boom by Paul Lekakis and Rock Me Amadeus by Falco. For that matter, they would only play those songs after 9pm. They refused to play any Freestyle or Rap which were well represented in Top 40 radio in any other market. Honestly if you miss the old Q that badly then listen to 100.7 - there is no difference except for the morning show.

See ya.
 
I don't believe the Pig was #1 in the first week. According to a 1990 Marc Chase article I have, their research showed that they TIED Q105 by the 3rd week. Still very impressive. Q105 did play some freestyle and rap in the late '80s but it was VERY selective. One rap song that was HUGE on Q105 was "It Takes Two" by Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock. They were also pretty heavy on the Beastie Boys "Brass Monkey" considering it never even hit the top 40. I don't recall them ever having a problem with "Rock Me Amadeus" but I don't recall ever hearing "Boom Boom (Let's Go Back To My Room)" on Q105 (mainly due to the content I'm sure.)
 
I don't remember them playing Bass Monkey until they were Q105 Jamz. That was after Mr. Crawford (Mason) had left. However, I do remember when the Beastie Boys were on as a guest on Mason's show and he did not even play their song. Instead he asked them if they liked the oldies song "Summer" by War - that is as close to Urban Mason would get. The Beastie Boys left the studio completely surprised and pissed.
 
No, I do remember Q105 playing "Brass Monkey" as a current. It most likely was dayparted to nights only, but it was on the station. Perhaps the interview you recall was when the Beastie's released their follow-up album Paul's Boutique with the single "Hey Ladies" which Q105 did not play, but neither most CHRs.
 
RMarino said:
No, I do remember Q105 playing "Brass Monkey" as a current. It most likely was dayparted to nights only, but it was on the station. Perhaps the interview you recall was when the Beastie's released their follow-up album Paul's Boutique with the single "Hey Ladies" which Q105 did not play, but neither most CHRs.


Yep, you're right. Q105 was playing "Brass Monkey" in 1987 along with (You Gotta)Fight for Your Right (to Party).
 
We fought for our rights( to party and other things) and won on election day.
 
Everytime anything small happens, or any station goes out of there normal programming someone screams "FORMAT CHANGE!". Man, I wish one of these stations would seriously flip there station to something no one is expecting just to settle them down. BUT! If Q105 would be changing formats (again) I would like to see them go hard rock to take on 98Rock, maybe Extreme Radio 104.7. Similar to Xtreme Radio 107.5 in Las Vegas, maybe bring in Opie and Anthony (like there isnt already enough piped in shows) but just saying. Thats my wish.
 
I think I'd go wallow in a pigtrough ( with lipstick of course) if Q105 flipped to testosterone dripping heavy metal, alternative, punk leaning, experimental stuff appealing to very young men too young to understand "Car and Driver". OMG! What would we have have left except WWRM all Delilah all the time, WMTX all Tesh all the time,and WDUV all nobody all the time. Isn't "The Bone" ( as in bad to-----ya tink I know nothing, Roscoe) , The Great 98, and WSUN the X ( makes sense) enough for youse guys? OMG! Like give a girl a break! Where would I get my Mike Reeves fix? Now that Marvin has gone bye-bye. OMG. Give up more? Bubba and Opie and Anthony? that would be like living in a Bladerunner world.
 
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