> > Right and when was the last time LA had an active rock
> > station?or even a current based rock station (other than
> > Kroq) it would have been either of those stations I
> > mentioned, 15 years ago correct but since they were the
> last
> > to do it it is hardly irrelevant, what a mindless comment
> > for you to make.
>
> The relevance of rock stations 15 to 20 years ago (KNAC died
> in early 1995) today is zero. The market has changed
> demographically to such an extent that any data or analyis
> from that time is, as I said, irrelevant.
>
> Looking at rockers from the 80's and 90's is like looking at
> KIIS when it first started... when it was a disco station.
> > they still are the voice of the
> > black
> > > > community throughout America
> > >
> > > With just 60 stations? No way.
> >
> > You find me a larger African American operated broadcast
> > company.....right....there isnt one, that is the
> > point.......Clear Channel and CBS may own more urban
> > stations (which Im not sure if that is even correct)
>
> If you include gospel, Clear and Radio One are tied. Quite a
> few Radio One stations are not African-American targeted, by
> the way. They have a CHR in Minneapolis, a brokered talker
> in Miami, a Spanish station in Houston, etc., etc.
>
> > but
> > they're in it to make a buck, theye doing urban because it
>
> > tests where they're doing it. Radio One on the other hand
> > while definately tring to make money believes (true or
> not)
> > that they are serving the community, the black community,
> so
> > 60 stations is 60 more than any other African American
> > broadcast company.
>
> Radio One is also in it for the money. They are, like SBS,
> UVN, and Entravision, mostly concentrated in one area
> formatically. The three publically owned Hispanic groups
> also know that when you program to such an audience,
> community service is of the essence. Doing community
> service, as shown by WDIA through multiple owners (and guess
> who owns them now?) is the key to such formats. Radio One
> did not invent service to the Black community... they just
> recognized the need for it as proven by others back to when
> such stations advertised in Broadcasting as "Memphis' race
> station." (Early 50's)
>
> > There really is no point for you to argue
> > so why are you attempting to?. Plus likemost you probably
> > have an exaggerated idea of just how many blacks are in
> this
> > country, it is a small percentage of the overall
> demographic
> > of America, smaller than you would think,m anywhere from 8
>
> > to 14 percent PERIOD.
>
> There are precise counts of African Americans, updated to
> 2005, on the U.S. Census website. Blacks are 13.4% of the
> population or 39.2 million. Hispanics, the largest minority
> group, are approaching 14%.
>
> I do not have an exaggerated idea of how many of anything
> there is in the US, right down to working John Deere
> tractors, as there are plenty of reliable statistical
> sources for nearly every characteristic of the US
> population. There is no need to say that the Black
> population is "naywhere from 8 to 14 percent" when exact
> numbers exist (and your 8% would undercount by nearly 18
> million people!)
> >
> > DUDE get a clue, I work in a major, top five market too
> > but I also know that if you actually get out into AMERICA,
>
> > see if you say "whatever" Most Americans arent in the
> > sophisticated cities, they shop at wal mart, etc and live
> a
> > pretty low key life, the major cities are not
> > representattive of America unfortunately.
>
> Big cities for the average middle class or blue collar
> worker tend to be more like lots of small cities glued
> together.
>
> I work in markets ranging from Harlingen, TX to some outside
> the US that are larger than New York's metro. And I have
> worked in markets ranging from Lake City, FL (less than 20
> thousand) and Lago Agrio, Ecuador (same) to Mexico City (23
> million). Generally, I have found that people all walk on
> two legs, put their shoes on one foot at a time and are more
> similar than different all over.
>
> > There are more
> > tiny hamlets than big cities in this country and thats
> where
> > middle American culture is, the culture that most media
> > outlets on a national sacle cater to. whhat about that
> dont
> > you get??
>
> Who, other than you, said I did not get it? Even if you work
> in a big market, listeners listen one set of ears at a time.
>
Oh man this is just getting tedious.
No he suggested that a station should flip active and flank or challange Kroq ( I dont think that would be a good idea myself but) and that the last time that there was some form of current based rock in LA besides KROQ were the stations in question, so the more you say they're "irrelevant" the more it seems you just want to argue. I get what he's saying that nobody has tried it since then and that maybe it's time that someone should,, Theres indie but theyre not really targeting the mainstream rock dude listener now are they?.....,,do I agree with his rationale?? not really but saying that the stations he referenced were 15 years ago and so they're irrelevant doesnt make sense since they're the only ones to have tried it in the last 20 years, I dont understand what your hang up is with that concept.
True the black population is around 13 percent so he ssaid between 8 and 14 percent because he was not exactly certain, whats the crime?..........I dont know dude, the guy made some valid points and you just seem determined to argue for arguments sake. You're entitled to your opiion too which I respect but I dont think you're even really listening to what he was saying, always a mistake in my experience.
But again this is all meaningless since no one has said anything about Radio oen selling KKBT other than the person who began this thread.
> > station?or even a current based rock station (other than
> > Kroq) it would have been either of those stations I
> > mentioned, 15 years ago correct but since they were the
> last
> > to do it it is hardly irrelevant, what a mindless comment
> > for you to make.
>
> The relevance of rock stations 15 to 20 years ago (KNAC died
> in early 1995) today is zero. The market has changed
> demographically to such an extent that any data or analyis
> from that time is, as I said, irrelevant.
>
> Looking at rockers from the 80's and 90's is like looking at
> KIIS when it first started... when it was a disco station.
> > they still are the voice of the
> > black
> > > > community throughout America
> > >
> > > With just 60 stations? No way.
> >
> > You find me a larger African American operated broadcast
> > company.....right....there isnt one, that is the
> > point.......Clear Channel and CBS may own more urban
> > stations (which Im not sure if that is even correct)
>
> If you include gospel, Clear and Radio One are tied. Quite a
> few Radio One stations are not African-American targeted, by
> the way. They have a CHR in Minneapolis, a brokered talker
> in Miami, a Spanish station in Houston, etc., etc.
>
> > but
> > they're in it to make a buck, theye doing urban because it
>
> > tests where they're doing it. Radio One on the other hand
> > while definately tring to make money believes (true or
> not)
> > that they are serving the community, the black community,
> so
> > 60 stations is 60 more than any other African American
> > broadcast company.
>
> Radio One is also in it for the money. They are, like SBS,
> UVN, and Entravision, mostly concentrated in one area
> formatically. The three publically owned Hispanic groups
> also know that when you program to such an audience,
> community service is of the essence. Doing community
> service, as shown by WDIA through multiple owners (and guess
> who owns them now?) is the key to such formats. Radio One
> did not invent service to the Black community... they just
> recognized the need for it as proven by others back to when
> such stations advertised in Broadcasting as "Memphis' race
> station." (Early 50's)
>
> > There really is no point for you to argue
> > so why are you attempting to?. Plus likemost you probably
> > have an exaggerated idea of just how many blacks are in
> this
> > country, it is a small percentage of the overall
> demographic
> > of America, smaller than you would think,m anywhere from 8
>
> > to 14 percent PERIOD.
>
> There are precise counts of African Americans, updated to
> 2005, on the U.S. Census website. Blacks are 13.4% of the
> population or 39.2 million. Hispanics, the largest minority
> group, are approaching 14%.
>
> I do not have an exaggerated idea of how many of anything
> there is in the US, right down to working John Deere
> tractors, as there are plenty of reliable statistical
> sources for nearly every characteristic of the US
> population. There is no need to say that the Black
> population is "naywhere from 8 to 14 percent" when exact
> numbers exist (and your 8% would undercount by nearly 18
> million people!)
> >
> > DUDE get a clue, I work in a major, top five market too
> > but I also know that if you actually get out into AMERICA,
>
> > see if you say "whatever" Most Americans arent in the
> > sophisticated cities, they shop at wal mart, etc and live
> a
> > pretty low key life, the major cities are not
> > representattive of America unfortunately.
>
> Big cities for the average middle class or blue collar
> worker tend to be more like lots of small cities glued
> together.
>
> I work in markets ranging from Harlingen, TX to some outside
> the US that are larger than New York's metro. And I have
> worked in markets ranging from Lake City, FL (less than 20
> thousand) and Lago Agrio, Ecuador (same) to Mexico City (23
> million). Generally, I have found that people all walk on
> two legs, put their shoes on one foot at a time and are more
> similar than different all over.
>
> > There are more
> > tiny hamlets than big cities in this country and thats
> where
> > middle American culture is, the culture that most media
> > outlets on a national sacle cater to. whhat about that
> dont
> > you get??
>
> Who, other than you, said I did not get it? Even if you work
> in a big market, listeners listen one set of ears at a time.
>
Oh man this is just getting tedious.
No he suggested that a station should flip active and flank or challange Kroq ( I dont think that would be a good idea myself but) and that the last time that there was some form of current based rock in LA besides KROQ were the stations in question, so the more you say they're "irrelevant" the more it seems you just want to argue. I get what he's saying that nobody has tried it since then and that maybe it's time that someone should,, Theres indie but theyre not really targeting the mainstream rock dude listener now are they?.....,,do I agree with his rationale?? not really but saying that the stations he referenced were 15 years ago and so they're irrelevant doesnt make sense since they're the only ones to have tried it in the last 20 years, I dont understand what your hang up is with that concept.
True the black population is around 13 percent so he ssaid between 8 and 14 percent because he was not exactly certain, whats the crime?..........I dont know dude, the guy made some valid points and you just seem determined to argue for arguments sake. You're entitled to your opiion too which I respect but I dont think you're even really listening to what he was saying, always a mistake in my experience.
But again this is all meaningless since no one has said anything about Radio oen selling KKBT other than the person who began this thread.
