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Raising Randi in Arizona

Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> The best way to see if the program succeeds is
> if it gets on in most markets by the end of this year. It is
> on over 60 now but I would think 100 should be the goal, I
> don't think they will hit it.
>
Right. Howard Stern is on only about 45 stations. What a miserable failure!
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

>
> It's been on for 17 weeks. Get your facts correct.

Well hot damn....plenty of time for an AM station to get to #1 12 plus....I stand corrected!
>

>
> Columbus, Ohio is the HUB of major markets in America, isn't
> it?

And you work?
>
> New York has peaked and been going down hill, Los Angeles
> nor Washington D.C. can get out of the gate, Chicago won't
> ever happen
Well it just did....and plenty of money behind it

and Washington D.C. isn't even on the radar
> (among others). What other SMALL markets are going to put
> Air America in the black? Get real. Liberals, some advice,
> keep listening to NPR.

I have NEVER listened to an NPR station in my life. EVER.
 
> Fellow SNL-alum Dennis Miller went to a live audience and
> look what it got him.

He pulled a Michael Weiner and re-invented himself into a conservative (the trend of the day) and launched his me-too show to yawns. His fawning over establishment neocons drives his fan base away like Deet because his act has always been critical of establishment figures.

End result - Dennis Miller obviously needed to make some car payments and whored himself out to whatever cause would get him a show and a check.
 
Re: Conservative Failing as well...

> Look at the other side (or your side) for a change and see
> that the all Conservative format that Salem is "preaching"
> to the country ain't that hot either....

Salem stations all tend to carry the same programming - they've also been around considerably longer.

Air America is the ultimate word-of-mouth network because there is almost no promotion of it among station groups. Let's face it, most of the large radio groups are putting AA on their smaller AM outlets and focus their ad budgets on their big signal, big dollar FM music outlets. It wouldn't matter what format was on those smaller AM stations - you didn't get much promotion when a lot of these stations were sports talk or oldies either.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> Does 12 + really mean anything to a talk statoin....
>
> I am so sure that Air America is dying to get 17 year olds
> listening to liberal talk stations on AM

There's a funny thing about that... unlike conservative talk stations, whose listeners tend to skew old, AAR stations are actually getting good 18-34 ratings, especially during Janeane Garafolo's Majority Report.

So whether or not they are targeting that demo, I wouldn't be surprised if they were getting some 12-17, as well.<P ID="signature">______________
also known as tombetz.</P>
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> "Liberal Fools". Why the Hate dear? How about all the
> "conservative fools" bailing out PAX TV? How about the
> failing formats of Radio Disney and so-called "happy-talk"?

I think the wings of Pax are about to be clipped. I see a station group sale on the horizon. There is definite interest among investors to launch a new urban network nationwide. I wouldn't count out Christian broadcasters or home shopping either. Heck even a Spanish language network could do a lot with Pax's affiliates. Pax as a network concern is a cash toilet that never stops flushing. It should be a cable network.

> Rupert Murdoch has been running a newspaper in New York at
> an incredible loss each year. Fox News took years to achieve
> dominance in the cable market being constantly underwritten
> by the parent company for years.

I remember when Fox News Channel was launched (as well as the talk outlet that occupied the transponder before the channel was formally launched). About the only people who saw it were those of us with C band (big) satellite dishes. It was lousy except for car chases (and other stuff they could get from their southern California stations). FNC lost MILLIONS over the first few years it ran. It would take AA years to blow through that kind of money. Most starting ventures do lose money. The only way they survive the early years is sufficient capital investment.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> I'm not sure what kind of "billing" they have but in the 12
> + ratings it is a failure in many cities, including Boston
> at 0.0!

If it's a failure, those stations will switch formats. So far, the only ones who have dropped AA are in ownership changes or the fiasco during the first month with LA and Chicago.

By the way, nobody in talk radio looks at 12+ ratings. Until you are in your late teens, you think AM on a dial refers to the time. Even then most people under 24 don't listen to talk radio. I don't hear too many Mountain Dew or Spring Break ads on talk stations.


> Even Rush Limbaugh took awhile to
> get going.
> Then again Rush's show didn't get financing like the
> AAR/prog. stations got.

Rush launched on small AM rimshotters in a lot of places. Here in Rochester he appeared first on the then-daytime only WYSL in Avon, a southern suburb. He was carried live (he's been time-shifted towards drive-time since he moved to the 50kw WHAM 1180 affiliate here) in part because the Avon station had to get off the air before WBZ in Boston obliterated its signal as the sun went down. Back then he begged for calls. He waited more than a minute for one caller to get to the phone one day, cracking jokes along the way. Before he became part of the establishment, he was somewhat amusing even for liberals to listen to. But these days his show is front and centered on White House talking points. That's the equivalent of Radio Moscow. Boring and predictable.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> Right. Howard Stern is on only about 45 stations. What a
> miserable failure!
>


DING DING DING...tell him what's he's won Marty
 
Re: Will the REAL Liberal Trolls Please Stand Up

> You sound like one of those guys who based his radio career
> on the dogma that "nobody wants to listen to liberal talk
> radio hosts".

Like the #18 radio personality in Philadelphia running a me-too conservative talk show said about Randi Rhodes the week AA signed on. Of course, and she had the nerve to remind him, she was number one in W Palm Beach, so, in fact, it was he that nobody wanted to listen to. Her show gets higher numbers than his in his own market now.
 
Re: Conservative Failing as well...

> Neither is failing. The investors of both will let us know
> if and when they fail.
>
another winner Morty
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably: Not really !

> Once Clear Channel pulls the plug, it will be all over. In
> Los Angeles, CCU is getting Air America for free and being
> paid a kick-back to air it. The vast majority of spots on
> K-Talk are a (free) bonus for buying (conservative talk)
> KFI. Now show me your progressive revenue and ratings
> sucesses.

Bull. Everyone gets AA for free, not just Clear Channel. Ad inventory pays the bills for the network. AA does not pay kickbacks to any affiliate. They rent airtime on one station - the NYC outlet.

Show us your evidence that the "vast majority" of spots on the LA outlet are unpaid.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by dampier on 06/18/05 05:57 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> > Does 12 + really mean anything to a talk statoin....
> >
> > I am so sure that Air America is dying to get 17 year olds
>
> > listening to liberal talk stations on AM
>
> There's a funny thing about that... unlike conservative talk
> stations, whose listeners tend to skew old, AAR stations are
> actually getting good 18-34 ratings, especially during
> Janeane Garafolo's Majority Report.
>
> So whether or not they are targeting that demo, I wouldn't
> be surprised if they were getting some 12-17, as well.
>
think the point was lost....as often happens here....radio-info I mean....or as most of my co-workers call it....the part timer and overnight jock board
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably: Not really !

> > Once Clear Channel pulls the plug, it will be all over. In
>
> > Los Angeles, CCU is getting Air America for free and being
>
> > paid a kick-back to air it. The vast majority of spots on
> > K-Talk are a (free) bonus for buying (conservative talk)
> > KFI. Now show me your progressive revenue and ratings
> > sucesses.
>
> Bull. Everyone gets AA for free, not just Clear Channel.
> Ad inventory pays the bills for the network. AA does not
> pay kickbacks to any affiliate. They rent airtime on one
> station - the NYC outlet.
>
> Show us your evidence that the "vast majority" of spots on
> the LA outlet are unpaid.
>
Even if they are "bonus" spots....which i am willing to say they aren't....as long as the cluster makes money....what does it matter?

It isn't what one station does (those days have been long over)....its how the cluster does....
 
I can't believe that this thread has degenerated into another boring attack on AAR. I was trying to make a simple point. Talk Show hosts, like Randi Rhodes, must use personal appearances to promote their shows and build an audience. Al Franken and Ed Schultz have done this very well. For whatever reason Randi does not do this. I think it is mistake. She just finished a week in Phoenix with one personal appearance that was sold out days ago. Do you think that she picked up many new listeners in the Valley of Sun?

> After more than a year as a talk show host on Air America,
> Randi Rhodes has made her first excursion outside of New
> York. (Excluding a few trips to her home base in W. Palm
> Beach, FL) The goddess has spent the past week hosting her
> midday show from the studios of AAR’s Phoenix affiliate
> KXXT. But aside from a few complaints about the flight to
> Phoenix on America West, you would never know that she
> actually left New York. Randi has been doing her show
> safely ensconced in the KXXT studios and has yet to make a
> public appearance in the Phoenix area. (Reportedly, she
> will be attending a charity event in the area on Friday
> night.) Sounds like a big waste of time to move your show
> and staff 2,000 miles without spending some time pounding
> the flesh and meeting the public. The other top daytime
> liberal hosts – Al Franken and Ed Schultz – have made
> personal appearances in dozens of the markets to standing
> room-only crowds. Both of them have also broadcast the show
> in front of live audiences. I know that Randi is shy
> (unless she is behind a microphone) but I think she is
> making a mistake by laying low in Arizona.
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by barooos on 06/18/05 08:05 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

It depends on which stations. Major FM blowtorches or peanut whistle AMs. There's quite a difference.


> > The best way to see if the program succeeds is
> > if it gets on in most markets by the end of this year. It
> is
> > on over 60 now but I would think 100 should be the goal, I
>
> > don't think they will hit it.
> >
> Right. Howard Stern is on only about 45 stations. What a
> miserable failure!
>
<P ID="signature">______________
"There ain't no reason to fight over a woman. There's two more down the street!".."Senisble Don", 700 WLW</P>
 
> I can't believe that this thread has degenerated into
> another boring attack on AAR.

I wish I could say I was surprised but I'm not. I've seen it over and over. I think maybe I'll compile a list of flamebaiters and link to a page off radio-info. If we can get enough people to avoid them, it will lessen the wasted space on this board. Sure they'll flame me but I can live with that.<P ID="signature">______________
Jerry

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts" - late Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan</P>
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> radio-info I mean....or as most of my co-workers
> call it....the part timer and overnight jock board

And which one are you? Or is it unemployed?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by drewdavis on 06/18/05 09:27 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> I can't believe that this thread has degenerated into
> another boring attack on AAR. I was trying to make a simple
> point. Talk Show hosts, like Randi Rhodes, must use
> personal appearances to promote their shows and build an
> audience. Al Franken and Ed Schultz have done this very
> well. For whatever reason Randi does not do this. I think
> it is mistake. She just finished a week in Phoenix with one
> personal appearance that was sold out days ago. Do you
> think that she picked up many new listeners in the Valley of
> Sun?

I doubt it since that audience was probably already listening to her. She probably got more publicity from the article on her in this morning's Arizona Republic.

KXXT (and its predecessors KXEM and KTKP) has been pretty much a non-entity in this market even as a conservative-talk station. With AAR, they do about as well as the sports stations ratings-wise, with probably much less billing.

I don't think I've ever seen a billboard or an ad on a bus or cab for them. If KXXT wants to increase its audience, they have to advertise more, especially in the Tempe area near the ASU campus or in Scottsdale - where more liberal-leaning people live. You can't build an audience if nobody knows you're there.

Their weak nighttime signal to the East Valley certainly doesn't help matters either.
 
Re: Liberal Talk Failing Miserably

> > radio-info I mean....or as most of my co-workers
> > call it....the part timer and overnight jock board
>
> And which one are you? Or is it unemployed?
>
Traffic in Market 3 thanks....and one of my stations is actually WIND...go figure<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by regionear on 06/19/05 12:50 AM.</FONT></P>
 
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