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Ratings (trends) Observations

> > Before you get too excited about Jack, remember that
> Jammin'
> > Oldies did this, too. And we know where that format is
> > today: nowhere.
>
> Jammin' Oldies are on in Cincinnati, WMOJ-FM 94.9, "Mojo
> 94.9", www.mojo949.com.
>
A very important fact to remember in this discussion:

Jammin' Oldies died because the creator of the format (Steve Rivers) did not work for the radio group that inherited most of the JO stations (Clear Channel). It was not because the stations didn't do well (at least until CC let them wither and die). The JO stations had a great first act, but they never brought out the second act. In NYC, the PD (without the reins of the corporate programmers) leaned the station to club level dance and urban while still using the "Jammin" imaging.
 
> But isn't that the problem with any radio format, especially
> with stations relying on classic or older songs, the
> repetitiveness. I have heard some songs as many as 5 to 6
> times a week on Oldies 96.3 and now on Oldies 97.1 and on
> occassion, even twice a day.

If they are high-testing songs, then I don't have a problem with it. If you are listening to an oldies station all day long and you hear "My Girl" twice, the typical listener won't think too much of it. But when you play something like "Nobody's Fool" by Cinderella on Jack, which I can't imagine tests very well, that really sticks out.
 
*****Jack will be huge in the 3rd phase and in the summer book. from there.. we'll see what happens. the jack in dallas is now coming back down to earth, it's not hard to get a pop early with a radical music mix.. holding big numbers and rank over 2, 3 or even 4 years is the trick and the point of the exercise.

wjxa looks to be suffering early as does the river.. all their men have gone to jack. i'm pretty sure SCC didn't intend on cutting off an arm to make room for the jack.. infact the sales force is saying that the jack will take down the rock. so they could be a little shocked at what they're doing to their sister station.

105-9 the rock had a nice trend but i don't think they can hold the 12 plus #1 ranking for long. but.. it doesn't look like wjxa will get back there either.

25-54 adults after 2nd phase...

WNRQ 9.5- could over take jxa.
WJXA 7.2- the jack is hurting these guys.
JACK 5.6- could have a huge 3rd phase and an awesome debut!
WQQK 5.3- solid
WSIX 5.2- they are dropping a poor month in the 3rd phase.. they could be big!
WSM 5.0- much improved from a year ago.
WKDF 4.9- these guys need the titans to play big.
WUBT 4.8- wow.. great upper demo #'s for an urban.
WWTN 4.6- solid but nothing huge.
WGFX 4.3- these guys have nothing going on but plaster!
WRVW 3.8- ryno is doing very well in pm drive.
WRQQ 3.5- good stuff happening for these guys since becoming oldies.
WLAC 3.4- no morning show.. still hurts!
WBUZ 2.5- ??
WRLT 2.2- ??

i hear that the call out at cumulus shows the jack to be putting up #1 type numbers 25-54 adults, women and men... all 3 plus 12 plus they are the #1 game in town in the short term.





> > > .....Also, 96.3's 35-64 numbers are up..which is much
> more
> >
> > > indicative
> > > of Oldies than Jack..let's wait til next month before we
>
> > > start singing
> > > Jack's praises..
> >
> > Excellent point. Even when the book comes out we won't
> know
> > for sure, unless we can extrapolate June and compare it
> with
> > phase 1 and 2 of these trends.
> >
> > But based on everywhere I'm hearing Jack, I'm predicting
> > good things.
> >
>
> I am sure a lot of it is listener curiosity, but according
> to you, it seems like it is still doing well. I guess in two
> books or so, we can predict the demise or flourish of Jack.
>
 
How do you draw anything from one week of Jack in the trend? JXA dropped a huge month and picked up an anemic one. Arbitroned...not Jacked.


> *****Jack will be huge in the 3rd phase and in the summer
> book. from there.. we'll see what happens. the jack in
> dallas is now coming back down to earth, it's not hard to
> get a pop early with a radical music mix.. holding big
> numbers and rank over 2, 3 or even 4 years is the trick and
> the point of the exercise.
>
> wjxa looks to be suffering early as does the river.. all
> their men have gone to jack. i'm pretty sure SCC didn't
> intend on cutting off an arm to make room for the jack..
> infact the sales force is saying that the jack will take
> down the rock. so they could be a little shocked at what
> they're doing to their sister station.
>
> 105-9 the rock had a nice trend but i don't think they can
> hold the 12 plus #1 ranking for long. but.. it doesn't look
> like wjxa will get back there either.
>
> 25-54 adults after 2nd phase...
>

> WNRQ 9.5- could over take jxa.
> WJXA 7.2- the jack is hurting these guys.
> JACK 5.6- could have a huge 3rd phase and an awesome
> debut!
> WQQK 5.3- solid
> WSIX 5.2- they are dropping a poor month in the 3rd
> phase.. they could be big!
> WSM 5.0- much improved from a year ago.
> WKDF 4.9- these guys need the titans to play big.
> WUBT 4.8- wow.. great upper demo #'s for an urban.
> WWTN 4.6- solid but nothing huge.
> WGFX 4.3- these guys have nothing going on but plaster!
> WRVW 3.8- ryno is doing very well in pm drive.
> WRQQ 3.5- good stuff happening for these guys since
> becoming oldies.
> WLAC 3.4- no morning show.. still hurts!
> WBUZ 2.5- ??
> WRLT 2.2- ??
>
> i hear that the call out at cumulus shows the jack to be
> putting up #1 type numbers 25-54 adults, women and men...
> all 3 plus 12 plus they are the #1 game in town in the short
> term.
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > .....Also, 96.3's 35-64 numbers are up..which is much
> > more
> > >
> > > > indicative
> > > > of Oldies than Jack..let's wait til next month before
> we
> >
> > > > start singing
> > > > Jack's praises..
> > >
> > > Excellent point. Even when the book comes out we won't
> > know
> > > for sure, unless we can extrapolate June and compare it
> > with
> > > phase 1 and 2 of these trends.
> > >
> > > But based on everywhere I'm hearing Jack, I'm predicting
>
> > > good things.
> > >
> >
> > I am sure a lot of it is listener curiosity, but according
>
> > to you, it seems like it is still doing well. I guess in
> two
> > books or so, we can predict the demise or flourish of
> Jack.
> >
>
 
>
How do you draw anything from one week of Jack in the trend?
> JXA dropped a huge month and picked up an anemic one.
> Arbitroned...not Jacked.
>
>


Amen to that,..plus 96.3 dropped a February that was one their worst
months ever..they were bound to be up no matter what format they had..
truth of the matter is 96.3 had a solid May, but nothing spectacular..
And once again folks, Jack was only on for 18 days in May! really hard to
tell which format those numbers belong to...

I know people who work for Cumulus, they don't seem to know anything about
these "call-out" numbers...




> > *****Jack will be huge in the 3rd phase and in the summer
> > book. from there.. we'll see what happens. the jack in
> > dallas is now coming back down to earth, it's not hard to
> > get a pop early with a radical music mix.. holding big
> > numbers and rank over 2, 3 or even 4 years is the trick
> and
> > the point of the exercise.
> >
> > wjxa looks to be suffering early as does the river.. all
> > their men have gone to jack. i'm pretty sure SCC didn't
> > intend on cutting off an arm to make room for the jack..
> > infact the sales force is saying that the jack will take
> > down the rock. so they could be a little shocked at what
> > they're doing to their sister station.
> >
> > 105-9 the rock had a nice trend but i don't think they can
>
> > hold the 12 plus #1 ranking for long. but.. it doesn't
> look
> > like wjxa will get back there either.
> >
> > 25-54 adults after 2nd phase...
> >
>
> > WNRQ 9.5- could over take jxa.
> > WJXA 7.2- the jack is hurting these guys.
> > JACK 5.6- could have a huge 3rd phase and an awesome
> > debut!
> > WQQK 5.3- solid
> > WSIX 5.2- they are dropping a poor month in the 3rd
> > phase.. they could be big!
> > WSM 5.0- much improved from a year ago.
> > WKDF 4.9- these guys need the titans to play big.
> > WUBT 4.8- wow.. great upper demo #'s for an urban.
> > WWTN 4.6- solid but nothing huge.
> > WGFX 4.3- these guys have nothing going on but plaster!
>
> > WRVW 3.8- ryno is doing very well in pm drive.
> > WRQQ 3.5- good stuff happening for these guys since
> > becoming oldies.
> > WLAC 3.4- no morning show.. still hurts!
> > WBUZ 2.5- ??
> > WRLT 2.2- ??
> >
> > i hear that the call out at cumulus shows the jack to be
> > putting up #1 type numbers 25-54 adults, women and men...
> > all 3 plus 12 plus they are the #1 game in town in the
> short

> > >
> >
>
 
> *****Jack will be huge in the 3rd phase and in the summer
> book. from there.. we'll see what happens. the jack in
> dallas is now coming back down to earth, it's not hard to
> get a pop early with a radical music mix.. holding big
> numbers and rank over 2, 3 or even 4 years is the trick and
> the point of the exercise.

Which of the other 100 assumptive posts like this on
Radio-Info's Variety Hits did you copy this from?
Jack may have longer viability because of it's (his)
ability to break all the rules. Then again, who knows. But,
it's already a proven fact that it's got more legs than
Jammin' Oldies that everyone compares it to.



> wjxa looks to be suffering early as does the river.. all
> their men have gone to jack.

False. JXA had a superb Feb that spiked it. That added to that
big book. This time around, Mix did drop, but only down
to just below normal numbers. Look back at the last 6-10 books
to compare. Still, Mix needs to make a few minor adjustments
(which they are) and they'll be fine. How many men listen to
Mix, and does Mix court their listenership? Not really.
They'll take them, though.

The River was (is?) going through a slight down time because
of the music, it's a normal thing. The music is a little
better for them to play with this summer, though.


>i'm pretty sure SCC didn't
> intend on cutting off an arm to make room for the jack..
> infact the sales force is saying that the jack will take
> down the rock. so they could be a little shocked at what
> they're doing to their sister station.

As for this major impact on Mix, Jack would have
had to have something like a 75 share (in jest)
to make any difference in the numbers. Same goes
for Oldies 97.1 with even one day less to count
in the trend. Not part of the picture in the
numbers posted last week. No slice or dice from
Jack on Mix in those trends. The future will be
interesting, though.


> 105-9 the rock had a nice trend but i don't think they can
> hold the 12 plus #1 ranking for long. but.. it doesn't look
> like wjxa will get back there either.

While I agree the variables are going to be
different because of Jack in upcoming trends/books,
The Rock just had a spike and Mix was down,
but if you take the last 12 months, you see Mix is
not in the tank completely. Jack may impact
Mix in the next round, but if done right,
as it will be, Jack will back away from Mix's
music and move toward the Rock's music. (It's
already starting to happen.) The Rock could be
in for a rougher ride. And as for the sales
staff at JXA/CJK, they are much happier
to have Jack on their team than coming
against them. Hopefully, they can look forward
to selling Air Supply on only one of the
stations again. Then again, The "Rock" is
selling Carly Simon.

i hear that the call out at cumulus shows the jack to be
> putting up #1 type numbers 25-54 adults, women and men...
> all 3 plus 12 plus they are the #1 game in town in the short
> term.

See the post on the Cumulus comments below in this thread.
Regardless, the Jack fight will be a lot more fun to watch
than even to listen to.



<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 07/12/05 06:29 AM.</FONT></P>
 
>**just a solid prediction for nash.. knowing what i know. doug for example in detroit is off to a very slow start. tibbs... have you ever worked at a radio station? or did you stay at a holiday inn last night?? lol.



> *****Jack will be huge in the 3rd phase and in the summer
> > book. from there.. we'll see what happens. the jack in
> > dallas is now coming back down to earth, it's not hard to
> > get a pop early with a radical music mix.. holding big
> > numbers and rank over 2, 3 or even 4 years is the trick
> and
> > the point of the exercise.
>
> Which of the other 100 assumptive posts like this on
> Radio-Info's Variety Hits did you copy this from?
> Jack may have longer viability because of it's (his)
> ability to break all the rules. Then again, who knows. But,
> it's already a proven fact that it's got more legs than
> Jammin' Oldies that everyone compares it to.
>
>
>
> > wjxa looks to be suffering early as does the river.. all
> > their men have gone to jack.
>
> False. JXA had a superb Feb that spiked it. That added to
> that
> big book. This time around, Mix did drop, but only down
> to just below normal numbers. Look back at the last 6-10
> books
> to compare. Still, Mix needs to make a few minor adjustments
>
> (which they are) and they'll be fine. How many men listen to
>
> Mix, and does Mix court their listenership? Not really.
> They'll take them, though.
>
> The River was (is?) going through a slight down time because
>
> of the music, it's a normal thing. The music is a little
> better for them to play with this summer, though.
>
>
> >i'm pretty sure SCC didn't
> > intend on cutting off an arm to make room for the jack..
> > infact the sales force is saying that the jack will take
> > down the rock. so they could be a little shocked at what
> > they're doing to their sister station.
>
> As for this major impact on Mix, Jack would have
> had to have something like a 75 share (in jest)
> to make any difference in the numbers. Same goes
> for Oldies 97.1 with even one day less to count
> in the trend. Not part of the picture in the
> numbers posted last week. No slice or dice from
> Jack on Mix in those trends. The future will be
> interesting, though.
>
>
> > 105-9 the rock had a nice trend but i don't think they can
>
> > hold the 12 plus #1 ranking for long. but.. it doesn't
> look
> > like wjxa will get back there either.
>
> While I agree the variables are going to be
> different because of Jack in upcoming trends/books,
> The Rock just had a spike and Mix was down,
> but if you take the last 12 months, you see Mix is
> not in the tank completely. Jack may impact
> Mix in the next round, but if done right,
> as it will be, Jack will back away from Mix's
> music and move toward the Rock's music. (It's
> already starting to happen.) The Rock could be
> in for a rougher ride. And as for the sales
> staff at JXA/CJK, they are much happier
> to have Jack on their team than coming
> against them. Hopefully, they can look forward
> to selling Air Supply on only one of the
> stations again. Then again, The "Rock" is
> selling Carly Simon.
>
> i hear that the call out at cumulus shows the jack to be
> > putting up #1 type numbers 25-54 adults, women and men...
> > all 3 plus 12 plus they are the #1 game in town in the
> short
> > term.
>
> See the post on the Cumulus comments below in this thread.
> Regardless, the Jack fight will be a lot more fun to watch
> than even to listen to.
>
 
Radiocat ---

Thanks for your good spirited banter. I stand behind all of
my comments as accurate about the May trends.

I didn't realize you were predicting the future AFTER
May 25th trends on this post, I thought you were
USING the May trend info to explain who lost and gained what.

First, tell me the truth, did you get all 1200 diaries for
this upcoming trend? Cause if you did, then I'll stop here.

If you did not, it is most impressive that you are able to
predict the summer by using info gathered from the May
trends. Especially that you could explain the entire
redistribution of listeners from one stations format change which
happened on Thursday, May 12 at 12:00 noon, CST. And
even more impressive, take another station that flipped
a day later and see it's substantial rise. And to top it off,
the trend closed on May 25 @ midnight. So, two weeks
(or less) makes or breaks all the radio stations in Nashville.

Why did you not see that there was a little blip on the Arbitron
screen instead of a killer attack from Jack? That's paramount
to this discussion.

Since we can't use numbers from trends, except for radiocat,
see if you can see this analogy...

Mix got on an elevator (shall we say) and went to the
(roughly) 14th floor (the highest floor in the building, yet)
and then went down to the 5th floor (the lowest floor they've
been on in this building) Were they riding the Arbitron
elevator or the Jack elevator? Not Jack's elevator. It was
still under construction and had just been up and running for
a few days. Hence, the books fell in weird patterns for two
months. Same thing happened with Star's spike at the end of
it's run. Men, 18-34 showed a nice increase. Mix got Arbitroned.
Or better yet, Arbitorned. It may get Jack-a-troned, but we
don't know that totally yet.


Also, why is it that one book (or one trend, or one half of
a trend, etc.) does a radio station format make? It doesn't.
This "day trader" mentality is wrong. You can't make accurate
predictions like that based on the short term. You have to
look at the long term. The sky is not falling for Mix or
The Rock. Jack will do his thing, protect his big sister
and take on the rock throwing bully if all goes as planned.
He should keep Oldies at a safe distance, too.


And as for me, the answers to who/what I am....me in radio?
Yes, more stations than I would like to admit and even owned
a couple "back in the day." From Dee-troit? No. Like to spar
with and take up for Oldiescat once in a while,though.

Live here in Nashville longer than you, but I loved the
Holiday Inn when I was a kid, remember that great tasting
jelly? Wouldn't consider anything like a Holiday Inn here
or anywhere. How's that mainsion on Belle Meade Blvd. treatin' you?

And finally, are you in radio? Cause, if you are, you know
you really never know anything about it, right? That's why
we're all here playing happily together. Fun talking with you.


<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 07/12/05 10:33 PM.</FONT></P>
 
> > But isn't that the problem with any radio format,
> especially
> > with stations relying on classic or older songs, the
> > repetitiveness. I have heard some songs as many as 5 to 6
> > times a week on Oldies 96.3 and now on Oldies 97.1 and on
> > occassion, even twice a day.
>
> If they are high-testing songs, then I don't have a problem
> with it. If you are listening to an oldies station all day
> long and you hear "My Girl" twice, the typical listener
> won't think too much of it. But when you play something
> like "Nobody's Fool" by Cinderella on Jack, which I can't
> imagine tests very well, that really sticks out.
>
How high does "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" by Ruppert Holmes test? The reason I'm asking is this is Wednesday morning and I have already heard "Escape" four times this week on Mix 92.9. It was an annoying song when it came out in late 1979/early 1980 and is just as annoying, or maybe even more so, today as it was then. I can't imagine that song testing any better than "Nobody's Fool" does, yet Mix 92.9 has been on an "Escape (The Pina Colada Song" kick for several weeks. "Baker Street" by Gerry Rafferty was once a great song, but for those of us in the Nashville market, the song has been ruined by being used as the theme song for one of most annoying shows ever to air in Nashville hosted by the most self-rightous, pompous host ever in Nashville, "The Dave Ramsey Show".
 
> How high does "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" by Ruppert
> Holmes test? The reason I'm asking is this is Wednesday
> morning and I have already heard "Escape" four times this
> week on Mix 92.9. It was an annoying song when it came out
> in late 1979/early 1980 and is just as annoying, or maybe
> even more so, today as it was then.

Probably not too good. It was number 1 on my birthday (12/16/79), and I don't test well.
 
> > How high does "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" by Ruppert
> > Holmes test? The reason I'm asking is this is Wednesday
> > morning and I have already heard "Escape" four times this
> > week on Mix 92.9. It was an annoying song when it came out
>
> > in late 1979/early 1980 and is just as annoying, or maybe
> > even more so, today as it was then.
>
> Probably not too good. It was number 1 on my birthday
> (12/16/79), and I don't test well.
>

How certain songs test well and others don't has been a source of puzzlement for me for a long time. Prior to 104.5's switch to sports talk, you could hear "Hold on Loosely" several times in a week. Ditto for "Do Ya Love Me?" and "My Girl" on the former Oldies 96.3. Sometimes, the tunes you hear a lot are loved by consultants who are convinced that whatever they say is right.

I still like "Baker Street," but that's because I don't listen to Reverend Dave.
 
not again!

Now, c'mon- that is simply not true.

Where DO some of you get this older-than-the-hills mindset? Blame "the consultant" (or "the suits") because you got fired by a no-guts PD or GM who passed the blame on to "the consultants"? Or have you just bought in to this small-market myth that's been spread around radio circles for years?

That whole theory is hogwash and makes those who espouse it appear to be wannabees OR the cynical, skeptical, negative jocks who never had what it takes to really make it in radio.

Which are you?


> Sometimes, the tunes you hear a lot are loved by consultants who are convinced
> that whatever they say is right.
>
> I still like "Baker Street," but that's because I don't listen to Reverend Dave.
>
 
Re: not again!

While we are at it,talking about bashing,
(Oldiescat was defending consultants.)

...layoff Dave Ramsey. He has nothing to
do with the music discussion on Mix.
Just another example of small people who
jump on the bashing bandwagon of a
person who is probably the single
biggest radio export from Nashville.
You want to discuss Dave Ramsey's
good and bad points, start another
tread. Whether you like him or not,
you have to give him credit for coming
from nowhere to this success.

As for "Baker Street" and "Pina Colada", etc.,
Mix has tested these songs with Nashville
listeners for years and they still test
well with the target market. That being
said, Mix is trying to bring in a younger
skew of female listeners, so some of those
things we all hate hearing are slowly
disappearing and Mix is sounding somewhat
fresher. Still, it's for women, guys.
What do you expect? Bryan Sargent would love
to play AC/DC's "Highway to Hell"
every afternoon at 5:00 for the drive home.

<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by tibbs on 07/14/05 04:51 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: not again!

> Now, c'mon- that is simply not true.
>
> Where DO some of you get this older-than-the-hills mindset?
> Blame "the consultant" (or "the suits") because you got
> fired by a no-guts PD or GM who passed the blame on to "the
> consultants"? Or have you just bought in to this
> small-market myth that's been spread around radio circles
> for years?
>
> That whole theory is hogwash and makes those who espouse it
> appear to be wannabees OR the cynical, skeptical, negative
> jocks who never had what it takes to really make it in
> radio.
>
> Which are you?
>
>
> > Sometimes, the tunes you hear a lot are loved by
> consultants who are convinced
> > that whatever they say is right.
> >
> > I still like "Baker Street," but that's because I don't
> listen to Reverend Dave.
> >
>

First of all, I am not a jock nor is what I said a myth.

I have heard many consultants in my 20-plus years in this business. Far too many of them feel they have to change something or fire someone in order to be considered successful. At one station where I worked, the consultant had a practice of telling each staffer one thing and another to our PD. The advice he gave our station hurt both morale and ratings.

At another station, we were offered direction in how to do news from a guy whose career had been spent outside news and whose chief accomplishment as on-air talent was a barrage of booger and fart jokes. I found it insulting to have a ex-zoo type jock advising our very competent PD, ND and award-winning news staff on how to do what we had been doing for years and what he had never done.

A lot of consultants tend to have a one-size-fits-all mentality. What works in Nashville may not work anywhere else, and vice versa. When you have a capable program or news director, an out-of-town consultant who doesn't know your station or city is a waste of time and money.
 
Re: not again!

> While we are at it,talking about bashing,
> (Oldiescat was defending consultants.)
>
> ...layoff Dave Ramsey. He has nothing to
> do with the music discussion on Mix.
> Just another example of small people who
> jump on the bashing bandwagon of a
> person who is probably the single
> biggest radio export from Nashville.
> You want to discuss Dave Ramsey's
> good and bad points, start another
> tread. Whether you like him or not,
> you have to give him credit for coming
> from nowhere to this success.
>
> As for "Baker Street" and "Pina Colada", etc.,
> Mix has tested these songs with Nashville
> listeners for years and they still test
> well with the target market. That being
> said, Mix is trying to bring in a younger
> skew of female listeners, so some of those
> things we all hate hearing are slowly
> disappearing and Mix is sounding somewhat
> fresher. Still, it's for women, guys.
> What do you expect? Bryan Sargent would love
> to play AC/DC's "Highway to Hell"
> every afternoon at 5:00 for the drive home.
>
How is saying you no longer like the song "Baker Street" because it is used as the theme song for Dave Ramsey bashing Dave Ramsey? Here in Nashville, you either LOVE Dave Ramsey or you DISPIZE Dave Ramsey, there is no middle ground. As far as "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" goes, if it has tested so well with Nashville listeners for years, why is it just now recieving as much airplay on Mix 92.9 as it is now? Until a month or so ago, it rarely recieved airplay and was only played maybe once every month or two. Now, it is in regular rotation, being played at least once a day. This is Thursday afternoon and I have already heard it six times on Mix this week. The reason I listen to Mix 92.9 at work is because it is one of the few stations I can pick-up in my office. I would rather listen to Jack-FM or Lightning 100, but I cannot pick up neither station in my office.
 
airplay

Often, an older song will not get airplay (because of burn or just neglect). After a while, radio stations will wonder how it might be received and put it back in their music tests and they'll test well again.

(of course, <LOL> if a song is actually tested and the result is in a "research" report, that's probably as offensive as a "consultant" saying it should be played)




> >
> How is saying you no longer like the song "Baker Street"
> because it is used as the theme song for Dave Ramsey bashing
> Dave Ramsey? Here in Nashville, you either LOVE Dave Ramsey
> or you DISPIZE Dave Ramsey, there is no middle ground. As
> far as "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" goes, if it has
> tested so well with Nashville listeners for years, why is it
> just now recieving as much airplay on Mix 92.9 as it is now?
> Until a month or so ago, it rarely recieved airplay and was
> only played maybe once every month or two. Now, it is in
> regular rotation, being played at least once a day. This is
> Thursday afternoon and I have already heard it six times on
> Mix this week. The reason I listen to Mix 92.9 at work is
> because it is one of the few stations I can pick-up in my
> office. I would rather listen to Jack-FM or Lightning 100,
> but I cannot pick up neither station in my office.
>
 
proof is in the pudding

Which consultants have you "heard"? Please give us real examples of which consultants hurt which stations. thanks.
>
> First of all, I am not a jock nor is what I said a myth.
>
> I have heard many consultants in my 20-plus years in this
> business. Far too many of them feel they have to change
> something or fire someone in order to be considered
> successful. At one station where I worked, the consultant
> had a practice of telling each staffer one thing and another
> to our PD. The advice he gave our station hurt both morale
> and ratings.
 
Re: proof is in the pudding

> Which consultants have you "heard"? Please give us real
> examples of which consultants hurt which stations. thanks.
> >
> > First of all, I am not a jock nor is what I said a myth.
> >
> > I have heard many consultants in my 20-plus years in this
> > business. Far too many of them feel they have to change
> > something or fire someone in order to be considered
> > successful. At one station where I worked, the consultant
> > had a practice of telling each staffer one thing and
> another
> > to our PD. The advice he gave our station hurt both morale
>
> > and ratings.
>

I'm not taking your bait.

I will say that the only consultant I ever heard who made any sense was Valerie Geller. She has not forgotten that she works in the business unlike so many other consultants. She offered practical, common-sense advice.
 
thought so

Thanks. Figured it was all big talk/no facts.

It's OK if you don't like "consultants"- just don't make up a bunch of untrue B.S. about all these consultants you've heard, etc., mischaracterize their motives and act like you know how "they all work" just to back up some bad feelings you have.
Nothing personal, but in this great business, it's always easy to spot the cynical, frustrated, negative also-rans.

So, really-- WE'RE not taking YOUR bait.


> I'm not taking your bait.
>
> I will say that the only consultant I ever heard who made
> any sense was Valerie Geller. She has not forgotten that she
> works in the business unlike so many other consultants. She
> offered practical, common-sense advice.
>
 
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