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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
Well, I think you are doing very well with your little rimshot wannabes.
Well, I think you are doing very well with your little rimshot wannabes.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
Why would anyone with a signal licensed inside a market want to go outside the market to be a rimshot?
zumahans said:
Why would anyone with a signal licensed inside a market want to go outside the market to be a rimshot?
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
I usually come in here and enjoy reading all the witty banter, minus Mr. Eduardo's witless comments, (cuz apparently he has no knowledge of what SARCASM is, oh and this will most likely warrant him posting the definition of SARCASM from his trusted source Wikepedia). But lately, the topics start out with radio topics and end up in some other realm. Can we please keep it on topic? And David, ...si quieres te lo puedo traducir para que entiendas mejor!
I usually come in here and enjoy reading all the witty banter, minus Mr. Eduardo's witless comments, (cuz apparently he has no knowledge of what SARCASM is, oh and this will most likely warrant him posting the definition of SARCASM from his trusted source Wikepedia). But lately, the topics start out with radio topics and end up in some other realm. Can we please keep it on topic? And David, ...si quieres te lo puedo traducir para que entiendas mejor!
Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
FYI, the Wikipedia cite I posted is the best English definition of "gringo" there is. It is also the only time I hve used the souce.
Big E said:
FYI, the Wikipedia cite I posted is the best English definition of "gringo" there is. It is also the only time I hve used the souce.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
Perhaps you should use less sauce.
Perhaps you should use less sauce.
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Yea why use the America Heritdage Dictionary that is in print in Libraries and classrooms all across the country that defines 'Gringo' as racist slang when you can use some crap from the internet to defend yourself.
Like you said "Its the only time you used the source" Yes because it fit your twisted purpose at that time. Nothing you have ever used before.
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DavidEduardo said:
Yea why use the America Heritdage Dictionary that is in print in Libraries and classrooms all across the country that defines 'Gringo' as racist slang when you can use some crap from the internet to defend yourself.
Like you said "Its the only time you used the source" Yes because it fit your twisted purpose at that time. Nothing you have ever used before.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
"Gringo" is not an English word. So here is what the Oxford Englsih-Spanish dictionary says it means:
gringo1 -ga adjetivo
1 (América Latina familiar ) foreign
2 (Andes familiar) (rubio) fair-haired, blond
So, you see, the definition AMONG HISPANICS is simply neutral. In context, it can be pejorative or just descriptive, according to the case.
The real pejorative is "Yanqui" which is a Spanish spelling of "Yankee" which is not a pejorative in English (except during the Civil War and the post-bellum period.)
The fact that some gringos believe "gringo" to be negative indicates that said gringos are also dumb gringos. If the shoe fits...
hamNcheese said:
"Gringo" is not an English word. So here is what the Oxford Englsih-Spanish dictionary says it means:
gringo1 -ga adjetivo
1 (América Latina familiar ) foreign
2 (Andes familiar) (rubio) fair-haired, blond
So, you see, the definition AMONG HISPANICS is simply neutral. In context, it can be pejorative or just descriptive, according to the case.
The real pejorative is "Yanqui" which is a Spanish spelling of "Yankee" which is not a pejorative in English (except during the Civil War and the post-bellum period.)
The fact that some gringos believe "gringo" to be negative indicates that said gringos are also dumb gringos. If the shoe fits...
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
No, David, you mean to say "among people speaking spanish."
"Among latinos" who speak ENGLISH, it is a perjorative.
That's what the subject is: people who speak English and use a racist term. Perhaps unwittingly, perhaps on purpose. But since the target finds it offensive, it really doesn't matter how it was intended, and it surely doesn't matter how it is used in a foreign language.
What matters is how it is used and interpreted in English. [EDIT]
You are a fool, el pluperfecto, if you do believe gringo is NOT an english word. Its origin is Spanish to be sure, but it has swum the Rio Grande linguistically and is firmly ensconced in English dictionaries, and common usage. AS AN INSULT.
Why is this important? Because once again, David Gleason, you have been exposed in your bluster, swagger and obfuscations. You hide your erroneous conclusions behind a misinterpreted snippet of statistic, you misuse a piece of empirical data that you rip from context, and you castigate others for pointing out that you, [EDIT], are sin pantalones.
In terms of this thread, we could care less what gringo means in Spanish. In English it is an insult. And among those who speak both Spanish and English, it can go either way, depending on context.
The N-word is very similar, in that its user can mean good things or bad. But among those whom are labelled as n's, the intent does not matter.
You made another mistake here, David Gleason, and you are too full of yourself, too cocksure, and too vain to acknowledge it and shut up. You remind me of Donald Rumsfeld in that regard.
I can only conclude that your analysis of radio ratings and trends is as flawed as your use of English.
These topics always wind off topic because of David Gleason's arrogant, erroneous and offensive posts. KM Richards, that little man with the big set of keys, is not here to protect you.
And all of us "mere listeners" are here to stick needles in your pretentious buttocks, Mister Univision.
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No, David, you mean to say "among people speaking spanish."
"Among latinos" who speak ENGLISH, it is a perjorative.
That's what the subject is: people who speak English and use a racist term. Perhaps unwittingly, perhaps on purpose. But since the target finds it offensive, it really doesn't matter how it was intended, and it surely doesn't matter how it is used in a foreign language.
What matters is how it is used and interpreted in English. [EDIT]
You are a fool, el pluperfecto, if you do believe gringo is NOT an english word. Its origin is Spanish to be sure, but it has swum the Rio Grande linguistically and is firmly ensconced in English dictionaries, and common usage. AS AN INSULT.
Why is this important? Because once again, David Gleason, you have been exposed in your bluster, swagger and obfuscations. You hide your erroneous conclusions behind a misinterpreted snippet of statistic, you misuse a piece of empirical data that you rip from context, and you castigate others for pointing out that you, [EDIT], are sin pantalones.
In terms of this thread, we could care less what gringo means in Spanish. In English it is an insult. And among those who speak both Spanish and English, it can go either way, depending on context.
The N-word is very similar, in that its user can mean good things or bad. But among those whom are labelled as n's, the intent does not matter.
You made another mistake here, David Gleason, and you are too full of yourself, too cocksure, and too vain to acknowledge it and shut up. You remind me of Donald Rumsfeld in that regard.
I can only conclude that your analysis of radio ratings and trends is as flawed as your use of English.
These topics always wind off topic because of David Gleason's arrogant, erroneous and offensive posts. KM Richards, that little man with the big set of keys, is not here to protect you.
And all of us "mere listeners" are here to stick needles in your pretentious buttocks, Mister Univision.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
No, David, you mean to say "among people speaking spanish."
---->>>> No, I mean to say "among Hispanics."
"Among latinos" who speak ENGLISH, it is a perjorative.
---- >>>> "Latino" and "Hispanic" are not synonyms. Each excludes a portion of the other. Brazilians are Latinos, but not Hispanic. According to the US Census, I am Hispanic (counted that way twice in PR in personal interviews) but not Latino.
That's what the subject is: people who speak English and use a racist term. Perhaps unwittingly, perhaps on purpose. But since the target finds it offensive, it really doesn't matter how it was intended, and it surely doesn't matter how it is used in a foreign language.
---- >>>> The subject is how the word is sued by Hispanics. The word is not per se offensive. For example, were I to use it about you, it would likely be because I would say it in a tone that is disrespectul and I would probably use some adjective that made sure this intent was known.
What matters is how it is used and interpreted in English. You know, David Gleason, the language that your bosses at Univision radio use when they count the millions that they make by keeping "latinos" ignorant?
---- >>>> I see. Your objection is to having Hispanic targeted media in the US. Hey, Ben franklin was a supporter of media in languages other than English... media that has existed since the days of the Colony. Since first generation Hispanic immigrants, like all non-English-Speaking immigrants of the past, seldom become fluent or proficient in English, "foreign" language media is very important to such people and helps them adapt and undrestand their new home. And as the second generation grows, many companies are targeting stations at English speaking Hispanics, conscious of the cultural and entertainment differences they may have.
You are a fool, el pluperfecto, if you do believe gringo is NOT an english word. Its origin is Spanish to be sure, but it has swum the Rio Grande linguistically and is firmly ensconced in English dictionaries, and common usage. AS AN INSULT.
---->>>> I don't often hear "gringos" using the term. I hear Hispanics using it. Sometimes in insult, mostly just to tell the difference between kinds of people, like folks from the South are called Southerners. Whether one is a "pinche gringo" or a "gringo buena genete" depends on the kind of gringo or gringa each man or woman is.
Why is this important? Because once again, David Gleason, you have been exposed in your bluster, swagger and obfuscations. You hide your erroneous conclusions behind a misinterpreted snippet of statistic, you misuse a piece of empirical data that you rip from context, and you castigate others for pointing out that you, Your Eminence, are sin pantalones.
---->>>> Since I have spent my entire life from about age 13 among Hispanics (to use the exclusively American term), I have an idea how the word is used. My family is Latino, and I am often affectionately called "the gringo" by them and friends. I say this to show that the term is not derisive or offensive unless there is an intent to offend that goes beyond the mere single word.
---->>>> I suspect that neither you nor the other miffed posters are Spanish domininant as I am. I find it droll that you and your cohort of ignorami know how a word that is not of your tongue nor of your culture is used.
No, David, you mean to say "among people speaking spanish."
---->>>> No, I mean to say "among Hispanics."
"Among latinos" who speak ENGLISH, it is a perjorative.
---- >>>> "Latino" and "Hispanic" are not synonyms. Each excludes a portion of the other. Brazilians are Latinos, but not Hispanic. According to the US Census, I am Hispanic (counted that way twice in PR in personal interviews) but not Latino.
That's what the subject is: people who speak English and use a racist term. Perhaps unwittingly, perhaps on purpose. But since the target finds it offensive, it really doesn't matter how it was intended, and it surely doesn't matter how it is used in a foreign language.
---- >>>> The subject is how the word is sued by Hispanics. The word is not per se offensive. For example, were I to use it about you, it would likely be because I would say it in a tone that is disrespectul and I would probably use some adjective that made sure this intent was known.
What matters is how it is used and interpreted in English. You know, David Gleason, the language that your bosses at Univision radio use when they count the millions that they make by keeping "latinos" ignorant?
---- >>>> I see. Your objection is to having Hispanic targeted media in the US. Hey, Ben franklin was a supporter of media in languages other than English... media that has existed since the days of the Colony. Since first generation Hispanic immigrants, like all non-English-Speaking immigrants of the past, seldom become fluent or proficient in English, "foreign" language media is very important to such people and helps them adapt and undrestand their new home. And as the second generation grows, many companies are targeting stations at English speaking Hispanics, conscious of the cultural and entertainment differences they may have.
You are a fool, el pluperfecto, if you do believe gringo is NOT an english word. Its origin is Spanish to be sure, but it has swum the Rio Grande linguistically and is firmly ensconced in English dictionaries, and common usage. AS AN INSULT.
---->>>> I don't often hear "gringos" using the term. I hear Hispanics using it. Sometimes in insult, mostly just to tell the difference between kinds of people, like folks from the South are called Southerners. Whether one is a "pinche gringo" or a "gringo buena genete" depends on the kind of gringo or gringa each man or woman is.
Why is this important? Because once again, David Gleason, you have been exposed in your bluster, swagger and obfuscations. You hide your erroneous conclusions behind a misinterpreted snippet of statistic, you misuse a piece of empirical data that you rip from context, and you castigate others for pointing out that you, Your Eminence, are sin pantalones.
---->>>> Since I have spent my entire life from about age 13 among Hispanics (to use the exclusively American term), I have an idea how the word is used. My family is Latino, and I am often affectionately called "the gringo" by them and friends. I say this to show that the term is not derisive or offensive unless there is an intent to offend that goes beyond the mere single word.
---->>>> I suspect that neither you nor the other miffed posters are Spanish domininant as I am. I find it droll that you and your cohort of ignorami know how a word that is not of your tongue nor of your culture is used.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
----->>>>"Among latinos" who speak ENGLISH, it is a perjorative.
Thank you, Dave. That is the whole point. You finally said what all of us have been saying all along, but what you have been too obtuse to understand.
None of us could care less how the word is used in Spanish. In English, it is an insult.
Since
---- >>>> I am Hispanic (counted that way twice in PR in personal interviews) but not Latino.
So what? Not the point here. Repeat: people who speak English find "gringo" a racist term.
---- >>>> The subject is how the word is sued by Hispanics. The word is not per se offensive.
It is offensive to those of us whom are referred to, Dave.
Very offensive. Get it?
---- >>>> I see. Your objection is to having Hispanic targeted media in the US.
Never said that, Dave. Don't put words in my mouth,.
What I said is that your boss in Malibu has made hundreds of millions of dollars exploiting latinos and hispanics by keeping them in cultutal isolation. And don't talk to me about Ben Franklin, I have read his articles in German in the Philadelphia Staatszeitung from 1773 in journalism class and he was using that language to convince the readers to learn English.
---->>>> Since I have spent my entire life from about age 13 among Hispanics (to use the exclusively American term), I have an idea how the word is used.
Wow, Dave. You are so guapo y inteligente.
---->>>> I suspect that neither you nor the other miffed posters are Spanish domininant as I am. I find it droll that you and your cohort of ignorami know how a word that is not of your tongue nor of your culture is used.
And I find it droll that you are so ignorant about the English language that you are lecturing US about.
And I will point out your ignorant, supercilious post here as proof that you play a good game, and say all the right things, but at the very end:
You don't know ---- from shinola.
----->>>>"Among latinos" who speak ENGLISH, it is a perjorative.
Thank you, Dave. That is the whole point. You finally said what all of us have been saying all along, but what you have been too obtuse to understand.
None of us could care less how the word is used in Spanish. In English, it is an insult.
Since
---- >>>> I am Hispanic (counted that way twice in PR in personal interviews) but not Latino.
So what? Not the point here. Repeat: people who speak English find "gringo" a racist term.
---- >>>> The subject is how the word is sued by Hispanics. The word is not per se offensive.
It is offensive to those of us whom are referred to, Dave.
Very offensive. Get it?
---- >>>> I see. Your objection is to having Hispanic targeted media in the US.
Never said that, Dave. Don't put words in my mouth,.
What I said is that your boss in Malibu has made hundreds of millions of dollars exploiting latinos and hispanics by keeping them in cultutal isolation. And don't talk to me about Ben Franklin, I have read his articles in German in the Philadelphia Staatszeitung from 1773 in journalism class and he was using that language to convince the readers to learn English.
---->>>> Since I have spent my entire life from about age 13 among Hispanics (to use the exclusively American term), I have an idea how the word is used.
Wow, Dave. You are so guapo y inteligente.
---->>>> I suspect that neither you nor the other miffed posters are Spanish domininant as I am. I find it droll that you and your cohort of ignorami know how a word that is not of your tongue nor of your culture is used.
And I find it droll that you are so ignorant about the English language that you are lecturing US about.
And I will point out your ignorant, supercilious post here as proof that you play a good game, and say all the right things, but at the very end:
You don't know ---- from shinola.
Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
Don't attrribute your OWN quote to me. I never said that... you did.
Your dishonesty to make a point would be astounding were it not so frequent.
zumahans said:
Don't attrribute your OWN quote to me. I never said that... you did.
Your dishonesty to make a point would be astounding were it not so frequent.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
You're right, Dave, I made a typo and meant to copy the line below it.
A clerical error, which I acknowledge. Ooops, sorry.
Now what about the substance of the discussion, Dave? Or are you going to duck what was said in favor of your little hissy fit of overwrought righteous indignation?
You have been nailed here, plain and simple. You made a major mistake - gringo is a racist perjorative term in the English language. Its meaning in Spanish, Spanglish or Watusi is irrelevant.
You are wrong, Dave, and incapable of admitting your error.
No amount of equivocation, misquotation of statistics, or your usual "I have programmed radio stations with 110 shares in Argentina" bullcrock will get you out of this one.
Maybe we should get back to the point, that you resorted to your usual, offensive racebaiting when I pointed out that your corporate masters make millions and millions of dollars keeping their audience in the linguistic barrio. Your answer:
---- >>>> I see. Your objection is to having Hispanic targeted media in the US.
I never said that, and your [EDIT] reply is deeply offensive to those who care about intellectual honesty.
To explain to you, since you apparently are unable to digest your mother tongue after listening to your own radio stations:
You and Jerry Perenchio - who does not speak Spanish and owns Univision - have made millions of dollars by exploiting your audience, by segregating them in a world where they do not have to learn the lengua franca, by condemning them to be frozen at the very fringe of America's economy and society. By doing so, you have profited handsomely by grievously harming your audience, this nation, this people, which has assimilated so many waves of immigrants before into our society.
Capisco?
Your mistakes, racism and frequent lies will be answered on this board EVERY SINGLE TIME you resort to your old tricks, amigo.
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DavidEduardo said:
You're right, Dave, I made a typo and meant to copy the line below it.
A clerical error, which I acknowledge. Ooops, sorry.
Now what about the substance of the discussion, Dave? Or are you going to duck what was said in favor of your little hissy fit of overwrought righteous indignation?
You have been nailed here, plain and simple. You made a major mistake - gringo is a racist perjorative term in the English language. Its meaning in Spanish, Spanglish or Watusi is irrelevant.
You are wrong, Dave, and incapable of admitting your error.
No amount of equivocation, misquotation of statistics, or your usual "I have programmed radio stations with 110 shares in Argentina" bullcrock will get you out of this one.
Maybe we should get back to the point, that you resorted to your usual, offensive racebaiting when I pointed out that your corporate masters make millions and millions of dollars keeping their audience in the linguistic barrio. Your answer:
---- >>>> I see. Your objection is to having Hispanic targeted media in the US.
I never said that, and your [EDIT] reply is deeply offensive to those who care about intellectual honesty.
To explain to you, since you apparently are unable to digest your mother tongue after listening to your own radio stations:
You and Jerry Perenchio - who does not speak Spanish and owns Univision - have made millions of dollars by exploiting your audience, by segregating them in a world where they do not have to learn the lengua franca, by condemning them to be frozen at the very fringe of America's economy and society. By doing so, you have profited handsomely by grievously harming your audience, this nation, this people, which has assimilated so many waves of immigrants before into our society.
Capisco?
Your mistakes, racism and frequent lies will be answered on this board EVERY SINGLE TIME you resort to your old tricks, amigo.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
Yes, Dave, it is.
That is why it is listed in English dictionaries.
And like most all English words, it is derived from a foreign word. And like most English words of foreign origin, its meaning might be different than the same word in the mother tongue.
Wonderful thing about English, Dave, is that its nature to absorb words from other languages and evolve them into new spellings and meanings makes it much more precise than other tongues.
Perhaps that's why English is so prevelant in such self-centered, linguistically-challenged nations like France and Mexico? But I digress.
And by the way, Dave, if you are going to lecture me about using English, then stop humiliating yourself with your mistakes. Polyglot means multiple languages, and trilingual means three languages. Since trilingual is more precise and less obscure, I choose to use that term to describe someone who speaks three languages. Your correction on that was both priggish and incorrect.
DavidEduardo said:
Yes, Dave, it is.
That is why it is listed in English dictionaries.
And like most all English words, it is derived from a foreign word. And like most English words of foreign origin, its meaning might be different than the same word in the mother tongue.
Wonderful thing about English, Dave, is that its nature to absorb words from other languages and evolve them into new spellings and meanings makes it much more precise than other tongues.
Perhaps that's why English is so prevelant in such self-centered, linguistically-challenged nations like France and Mexico? But I digress.
And by the way, Dave, if you are going to lecture me about using English, then stop humiliating yourself with your mistakes. Polyglot means multiple languages, and trilingual means three languages. Since trilingual is more precise and less obscure, I choose to use that term to describe someone who speaks three languages. Your correction on that was both priggish and incorrect.
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You are picking nits. "Gringo" is a spanish word, whether used in some places in English or not. Just as "de facto" and "de jure" are Latin terms, whether they have been adopted into English or not.
Since this conversation was about Hispanics using the term, the important thing is what the speaker intends to convey by usage of a word, not the ungrounded offense taken by a person who hears the word and who is not Hispanic.
English is used (to say it is "prevalent" is terminally absurd) in Mexico and elsewhere in the world because of the fact that, until recently, most developments in technology, medicine, science and the like came from the US and other English spaking nations. Thus, just as French occupied the polstion of lingua franca in centuries past, English has that postion now. In a century, it will likely be Chinese. You are reading way too much into the usage of English elsewhere.
Nearly all languages absorb words from other languages. Most, in recent decades, have been caused by a need to create a vocabulary for technology and science because so few people around the world actually speak the languages in which such developments have occured. So terms must be added to each langauge for doctors to talk with patients to name but one situation.
The term "trilingual" is a cop out, justa as cuadralingual would be if we took it to that extreme. So few Americans are multilingual that they don't understand the polyglot or even, in most cases, recognize the existence of such speakers of multiple tongues. So the US developed the "trilingual" absurdity... which, like "ain't" has gained acceptance.
But, as one could say, this is just a reflection of the self-centered gringo mentality. And some wonder why the US is so universally despised around the world.
zumahans said:
You are picking nits. "Gringo" is a spanish word, whether used in some places in English or not. Just as "de facto" and "de jure" are Latin terms, whether they have been adopted into English or not.
Since this conversation was about Hispanics using the term, the important thing is what the speaker intends to convey by usage of a word, not the ungrounded offense taken by a person who hears the word and who is not Hispanic.
English is used (to say it is "prevalent" is terminally absurd) in Mexico and elsewhere in the world because of the fact that, until recently, most developments in technology, medicine, science and the like came from the US and other English spaking nations. Thus, just as French occupied the polstion of lingua franca in centuries past, English has that postion now. In a century, it will likely be Chinese. You are reading way too much into the usage of English elsewhere.
Nearly all languages absorb words from other languages. Most, in recent decades, have been caused by a need to create a vocabulary for technology and science because so few people around the world actually speak the languages in which such developments have occured. So terms must be added to each langauge for doctors to talk with patients to name but one situation.
The term "trilingual" is a cop out, justa as cuadralingual would be if we took it to that extreme. So few Americans are multilingual that they don't understand the polyglot or even, in most cases, recognize the existence of such speakers of multiple tongues. So the US developed the "trilingual" absurdity... which, like "ain't" has gained acceptance.
But, as one could say, this is just a reflection of the self-centered gringo mentality. And some wonder why the US is so universally despised around the world.
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I've stood silently to watch this unfold here are a few points.
1) David, not to nit pick" but, "gringo" is very much an English word....(less like a term such as de facto) and more like other everyday English words derived from the Spanish language like "rodeo", "mosquito", "plaza", "tobacco" and "vanilla". The other poster was correct in that English is derived from many different languages.
2) Unless you were under the impression that the posters you were addressing here were all of Spanish language, common sense would dictate that your use of the word would be acknowledged with its English meaning.....which is indeed, sadly, derogatory.
3) Use of English in the modernized world is absolutely "prevalent". In fact, is is a required course in the educational systems of Japan, Germany, Netherlands and now parts of Russia. Did you also know that the use of English globally is increasing, not decreasing? Also for the record there is no language on earth called "Chinese". The Chinese people speak a multitude of languages, including Mardarin and Cantonese. (English oddly enough, is in the Top 5).
4) "Trilingual" is an absolutely acceptable term. It simply means three languages. Why an uproar over it?
5) And universally despised? Maybe the military policies at any given time. But I travel extensively, (as I'm sure you have), will tell you that the United States is universally perceived as the most coveted place to live in the world. It is the place where people come to pursue their dreams, and American entertainment remains one of the most exportable items on the globe. Why do we have a problem with illegal immigration on a scale that is matched nowhere in the world?? If America were indeed universally despised, as you say, you'd probably have a lot less success with the brand of radio you support.
Best of Luck.
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I've stood silently to watch this unfold here are a few points.
1) David, not to nit pick" but, "gringo" is very much an English word....(less like a term such as de facto) and more like other everyday English words derived from the Spanish language like "rodeo", "mosquito", "plaza", "tobacco" and "vanilla". The other poster was correct in that English is derived from many different languages.
2) Unless you were under the impression that the posters you were addressing here were all of Spanish language, common sense would dictate that your use of the word would be acknowledged with its English meaning.....which is indeed, sadly, derogatory.
3) Use of English in the modernized world is absolutely "prevalent". In fact, is is a required course in the educational systems of Japan, Germany, Netherlands and now parts of Russia. Did you also know that the use of English globally is increasing, not decreasing? Also for the record there is no language on earth called "Chinese". The Chinese people speak a multitude of languages, including Mardarin and Cantonese. (English oddly enough, is in the Top 5).
4) "Trilingual" is an absolutely acceptable term. It simply means three languages. Why an uproar over it?
5) And universally despised? Maybe the military policies at any given time. But I travel extensively, (as I'm sure you have), will tell you that the United States is universally perceived as the most coveted place to live in the world. It is the place where people come to pursue their dreams, and American entertainment remains one of the most exportable items on the globe. Why do we have a problem with illegal immigration on a scale that is matched nowhere in the world?? If America were indeed universally despised, as you say, you'd probably have a lot less success with the brand of radio you support.
Best of Luck.
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Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.
Where, oh where, to start?
---->>>>You are picking nits. "Gringo" is a spanish word, whether used in some places in English or not.
Wrong. We are talking about insulting people because of their ethnicity or race. If that is not important to you, a "nitpicking" matter to you, then you have PROVED our point exactly.
---->Just as "de facto" and "de jure" are Latin terms, whether they have been adopted into English or not.
They have assimiliated into English (unlike your listeners, who are held hostage and unable to assimilate into our society).
----->Since this conversation was about Hispanics using the term, the important thing is what the speaker intends to convey by usage of a word, not the ungrounded offense taken by a person who hears the word and who is not Hispanic.
Oh, this is funny. I am sure that the southerners who use the terms "dark-y" "macaca" "spearch--ker and others do not mean to be offensive either. It's just those uppity blacks taking it the wrong way, isn't it, Dave?
----->English is used (to say it is "prevalent" is terminally absurd) in Mexico and elsewhere in the world because of the fact that, until recently, most developments in technology, medicine, science and the like came from the US and other English spaking nations. Thus, just as French occupied the polstion of lingua franca in centuries past, English has that postion now..
No sir, it is you who is reading way too little. English's ability to evolve, to envelope other languages, is what makes it so prevalent in Mexico. And how typical for you to miss the point: English is indeed prevalent in Mexico - it is almost ubiquitous as the second language.
---->In a century, it will likely be Chinese.
Really, Dave? Is that even a language? Last I checked, chinese was a nationality. Oh oh, more semantical race/language/ethnicity confusion from Dave!
---->Nearly all languages absorb words from other languages.
Yes, tell that to the French, whose precious language police ban English terms.
---->Most, in recent decades, have been caused by a need to create a vocabulary for technology and science because so few people around the world actually speak the languages in which such developments have occured.
Yes, english is the language of science and technology. Why does Univision Radio freeze its audience out of the modern language of business, commerce and science?
Ah, because you make a lot of money doing it. That's right!
----->The term "trilingual" is a cop out,
It's in the dictionary and I choose to use it. Your correction to polyglot was an example of just how effete,
ill-informed and anal-retentive your writings almost always are. Trilingual describes someone who speaks three languages, and if you don't like it, don't use it. But you have no basis to correct someone who uses it.
----> So the US developed the "trilingual" absurdity... which, like "ain't" has gained acceptance.
So you corrected me on an acceptable use? I thought you said it was unacceptable? You just contradicted yourself. Again.
----->But, as one could say, this is just a reflection of the self-centered gringo mentality. And some wonder why the US is so universally despised around the world.
Your self-loathing is evident, Dave.
Where, oh where, to start?
---->>>>You are picking nits. "Gringo" is a spanish word, whether used in some places in English or not.
Wrong. We are talking about insulting people because of their ethnicity or race. If that is not important to you, a "nitpicking" matter to you, then you have PROVED our point exactly.
---->Just as "de facto" and "de jure" are Latin terms, whether they have been adopted into English or not.
They have assimiliated into English (unlike your listeners, who are held hostage and unable to assimilate into our society).
----->Since this conversation was about Hispanics using the term, the important thing is what the speaker intends to convey by usage of a word, not the ungrounded offense taken by a person who hears the word and who is not Hispanic.
Oh, this is funny. I am sure that the southerners who use the terms "dark-y" "macaca" "spearch--ker and others do not mean to be offensive either. It's just those uppity blacks taking it the wrong way, isn't it, Dave?
----->English is used (to say it is "prevalent" is terminally absurd) in Mexico and elsewhere in the world because of the fact that, until recently, most developments in technology, medicine, science and the like came from the US and other English spaking nations. Thus, just as French occupied the polstion of lingua franca in centuries past, English has that postion now..
No sir, it is you who is reading way too little. English's ability to evolve, to envelope other languages, is what makes it so prevalent in Mexico. And how typical for you to miss the point: English is indeed prevalent in Mexico - it is almost ubiquitous as the second language.
---->In a century, it will likely be Chinese.
Really, Dave? Is that even a language? Last I checked, chinese was a nationality. Oh oh, more semantical race/language/ethnicity confusion from Dave!
---->Nearly all languages absorb words from other languages.
Yes, tell that to the French, whose precious language police ban English terms.
---->Most, in recent decades, have been caused by a need to create a vocabulary for technology and science because so few people around the world actually speak the languages in which such developments have occured.
Yes, english is the language of science and technology. Why does Univision Radio freeze its audience out of the modern language of business, commerce and science?
Ah, because you make a lot of money doing it. That's right!
----->The term "trilingual" is a cop out,
It's in the dictionary and I choose to use it. Your correction to polyglot was an example of just how effete,
ill-informed and anal-retentive your writings almost always are. Trilingual describes someone who speaks three languages, and if you don't like it, don't use it. But you have no basis to correct someone who uses it.
----> So the US developed the "trilingual" absurdity... which, like "ain't" has gained acceptance.
So you corrected me on an acceptable use? I thought you said it was unacceptable? You just contradicted yourself. Again.
----->But, as one could say, this is just a reflection of the self-centered gringo mentality. And some wonder why the US is so universally despised around the world.
Your self-loathing is evident, Dave.
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Dave,
You are a vice president at Univision Radio?
A vice president of Univision Radio is repeatedly calling Americans "gringos", and defending that use as not insulting, despite the fact that U.S. linguists, dictionaries and common usage all say that the use of gringo in English is an insult.
We ought to send out a press release on that one.
It would look good in a few public inspection files, too.
I think Univision Radio owes a few people some heartfelt apologies.
Dave,
You are a vice president at Univision Radio?
A vice president of Univision Radio is repeatedly calling Americans "gringos", and defending that use as not insulting, despite the fact that U.S. linguists, dictionaries and common usage all say that the use of gringo in English is an insult.
We ought to send out a press release on that one.
It would look good in a few public inspection files, too.
I think Univision Radio owes a few people some heartfelt apologies.
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I am not calling anyone a gringo. I am stating that the use of the term by Hispanics is generally not negative, unless the entire context is negative. To most, the word itself is neutral and the context defines whether there is insult or offense intended.
As I said, the term as used by Hispanics is a Spanish word and does not have the meaning that some "gringos" believe it to have. Since most (there was a poll on this some time back) believe the word originated as an insult in the Mexican American war (untrue), they also seem to believe the term is a Mexican insult on US Citizens.
Those raised in Hispapnic households know differntly. The term is not offensive per se, no matter what some non-Hispanic believes. The world is full of urban legends. The meaning and origins of the term "gringo" are certainly in the uban legend department.
Oh, a public file complaint has to be about the programming and operation of a radio station, not about a philosopical difference of opinion about the meaning of a word.
As I said, my onw children often mentin, "my dad is gringo" (in Spanish, of course) and it is not an insult... just an indication of where I am from. Again, for the slow learners: "americano/a" in Spanish means someone from the Americas, not an US Resident... so it can not be used. There is no other "easy word" since even "estadounidense" can refer to the United Staes we are in or to the United Mexican States or the United Staes of Brasil. Thus, the ease and convenience of the term gringo to refer to "caucsian looking people from North America."
You are making much out of nothing.
zumahans said:
I am not calling anyone a gringo. I am stating that the use of the term by Hispanics is generally not negative, unless the entire context is negative. To most, the word itself is neutral and the context defines whether there is insult or offense intended.
As I said, the term as used by Hispanics is a Spanish word and does not have the meaning that some "gringos" believe it to have. Since most (there was a poll on this some time back) believe the word originated as an insult in the Mexican American war (untrue), they also seem to believe the term is a Mexican insult on US Citizens.
Those raised in Hispapnic households know differntly. The term is not offensive per se, no matter what some non-Hispanic believes. The world is full of urban legends. The meaning and origins of the term "gringo" are certainly in the uban legend department.
Oh, a public file complaint has to be about the programming and operation of a radio station, not about a philosopical difference of opinion about the meaning of a word.
As I said, my onw children often mentin, "my dad is gringo" (in Spanish, of course) and it is not an insult... just an indication of where I am from. Again, for the slow learners: "americano/a" in Spanish means someone from the Americas, not an US Resident... so it can not be used. There is no other "easy word" since even "estadounidense" can refer to the United Staes we are in or to the United Mexican States or the United Staes of Brasil. Thus, the ease and convenience of the term gringo to refer to "caucsian looking people from North America."
You are making much out of nothing.
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They have assimiliated into English (unlike your listeners, who are held hostage and unable to assimilate into our society).
---->>>> All non-English speaking groups to emigrate to the US since our independence have assimilated very little in the first generation. Most are poor and undereducated, and spend thier life working to build a future for their children. Because htis is the case, it is important to provide news, information and entertainment to such groups. Go back, in radio to WHOM and WOV in New York. Or WZAK and several others in Clevelend, and the multiple Polish stations in Chicago... and the hundreds of perioodicals that helped the transition of immigrants to American life.
No sir, it is you who is reading way too little. English's ability to evolve, to envelope other languages, is what makes it so prevalent in Mexico. And how typical for you to miss the point: English is indeed prevalent in Mexico - it is almost ubiquitous as the second language.
--->>>> The vast majority (probably 95% of all the population) of Mexico knows and uses no English. English is used for international commerce, and in very limited circles. English is taught at private, upper class schools. It´s usage is very limited to certain circles.
---->In a century, it will likely be Chinese.
Really, Dave? Is that even a language? Last I checked, chinese was a nationality. Oh oh, more semantical race/language/ethnicity confusion from Dave!
---->>>> The Oxford American Dictionary defines "Chinese" as the language of China. You may be referring to dialects of the root language, but they are all forms of Chinese.
---->Nearly all languages absorb words from other languages.
Yes, tell that to the French, whose precious language police ban English terms.
---->>> I think they borrowed a word or two from Latin, as well as from Italian and Spanish and even German. The real issue is that French has lots of words from other languages; a momentary "official" regectin of Angliscisms does not negate that.
Yes, english is the language of science and technology. Why does Univision Radio freeze its audience out of the modern language of business, commerce and science?
---->>>> Se above. Historically, whether talking about the germans, the Italians, the Poles or Asians, the bulk of first generation persons wo emigrate to the US do not learn much English and need media in thier native langauge. In fact, countless studies show that most people, after adolesecence, can not ever learn a new lanuage well... they will always translate back and forth to the birth tongue with little understanding of nuances.
They have assimiliated into English (unlike your listeners, who are held hostage and unable to assimilate into our society).
---->>>> All non-English speaking groups to emigrate to the US since our independence have assimilated very little in the first generation. Most are poor and undereducated, and spend thier life working to build a future for their children. Because htis is the case, it is important to provide news, information and entertainment to such groups. Go back, in radio to WHOM and WOV in New York. Or WZAK and several others in Clevelend, and the multiple Polish stations in Chicago... and the hundreds of perioodicals that helped the transition of immigrants to American life.
No sir, it is you who is reading way too little. English's ability to evolve, to envelope other languages, is what makes it so prevalent in Mexico. And how typical for you to miss the point: English is indeed prevalent in Mexico - it is almost ubiquitous as the second language.
--->>>> The vast majority (probably 95% of all the population) of Mexico knows and uses no English. English is used for international commerce, and in very limited circles. English is taught at private, upper class schools. It´s usage is very limited to certain circles.
---->In a century, it will likely be Chinese.
Really, Dave? Is that even a language? Last I checked, chinese was a nationality. Oh oh, more semantical race/language/ethnicity confusion from Dave!
---->>>> The Oxford American Dictionary defines "Chinese" as the language of China. You may be referring to dialects of the root language, but they are all forms of Chinese.
---->Nearly all languages absorb words from other languages.
Yes, tell that to the French, whose precious language police ban English terms.
---->>> I think they borrowed a word or two from Latin, as well as from Italian and Spanish and even German. The real issue is that French has lots of words from other languages; a momentary "official" regectin of Angliscisms does not negate that.
Yes, english is the language of science and technology. Why does Univision Radio freeze its audience out of the modern language of business, commerce and science?
---->>>> Se above. Historically, whether talking about the germans, the Italians, the Poles or Asians, the bulk of first generation persons wo emigrate to the US do not learn much English and need media in thier native langauge. In fact, countless studies show that most people, after adolesecence, can not ever learn a new lanuage well... they will always translate back and forth to the birth tongue with little understanding of nuances.
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