Russ is Bored... Story at 10.

[tah]

Actually what they showed was "amy's" complaint....looks like it was written by Powers. Any one that has been involved with domestic violence knows this is a common ploy to try to have domestic violence charge thrown out. I believed not a word he said. I wish he would just go away.

Congratulations on being what's wrong with out society.

"Innocent until proven guilty." -- Remember that lovely phrase? I don't care what it looks like to you. It was a complaint filed against the cops, period. Just because it doesn't look like you want it to means nothing.

So you're taking the side of Russ/Amy instead of the party the complaint is being filed against i.e. Southlake PD, right? How does that fit into your logic of "innocent until proven guilty"? If we followed your train of thought, then one should question Russ & Amy's motives and presume that the PD is the innocent party.

This whole escapade happened in July 2008. If Southlake PD did something wrong, why not make your complaint right away? What purpose does it serve to hold off other to get Russ into the news again? Anyone else notice that he shows up on a monthly basis with absolutely nothing new to say?

 

[Lantern2814]

So you're taking the side of Russ/Amy instead of the party the complaint is being filed against i.e. Southlake PD, right? How does that fit into your logic of "innocent until proven guilty"? If we followed your train of thought, then one should question Russ & Amy's motives and presume that the PD is the innocent party.

This whole escapade happened in July 2008. If Southlake PD did something wrong, why not make your complaint right away? What purpose does it serve to hold off other to get Russ into the news again? Anyone else notice that he shows up on a monthly basis with absolutely nothing new to say?

Nice try at turning it around. Your attempt fails, though. The person I was talking to had simply said they had only seen 'amy's complaint' and that it looked like it was written by a lawyer (so?) and thus they implied that it didn't matter because to them Russ was still guilty. Well, if Russ says he's not guilty, and Russ wasn't proven guilty and Amy herself filed a complaint (regardless of who wrote the thing up) then it would lend weight to the fact that Russ is indeed innocent, *especially* since he was never proven guilty in a court of law.

So the side I am taking is the side of the innocent person who has not been found guilty and whose significant other has even said she was coerced into filing a complaint against. I could care less what the outcome of the police department complaint is. Whatever the case, it was enough for Russ to completely move out of that city.

Besides, a "complaint' like you'd make against a department is not a crime for which they can be jailed. So 'innocent until proven guilty' doesn't even apply in that case. All that's important is that the 'so-called' victim has said in no uncertain terms that she was coerced into filing a charge when all she wanted to do was get her stuff back. This is further highlighted by the southlake DA who said he refused to let her drop the case because of their 'no drop' policy. Sounds to me like they wanted their charge to be filed no matter what. Is that a crime? Probably not. But I don't care. All I care about is the truth that Russ was not found guilty and that amy didn't want to file charges to begin with.

 

[NealH]

So the side I am taking is the side of the innocent person who has not been found guilty and whose significant other has even said she was coerced into filing a complaint against. I could care less what the outcome of the police department complaint is. Whatever the case, it was enough for Russ to completely move out of that city.

I suggest you brush up on the law. Russ plead no contest. While it technically isn't the same as a guilty plea, it doesn't equate to innocence, either.

 

[Lantern2814]

I suggest you brush up on the law. Russ plead no contest. While it technically isn't the same as a guilty plea, it doesn't equate to innocence, either.

I don't need to read up on anything. I know full well what a no contest plea is. I also know what he pleaded no contest to. It's the equivalent of a traffic ticket. He doesn't even lose his CHL. After his little deferred probation period, it 'goes away' and is as though nothing ever happened. Know what? I'm on a probation-type period too -- for speeding. When October is over, it's as though it never happened.

So let's see; his girl is still with him, there's been no guilty verdict in a court of law, he's still authorized to carry a firearm, and his record will be clear when this is all done. Sounds like innocence to me, or at least as close as many people in this world can claim

 

[tah]

I suggest you brush up on the law. Russ plead no contest. While it technically isn't the same as a guilty plea, it doesn't equate to innocence, either.

So let's see; his girl is still with him, there's been no guilty verdict in a court of law, he's still authorized to carry a firearm, and his record will be clear when this is all done. Sounds like innocence to me, or at least as close as many people in this world can claim

I saw the photos of bruises & bald patches. Innocent is the one thing he's not.

 

[Lantern2814]

I saw the photos of bruises & bald patches. Innocent is the one thing he's not.

And you were there? You can say definitively what happened? Well why didn't you say so?? Get thee to Southlake and insist they prosecute.

Oh wait. No. You weren't there.

 

[ISaidSo]

Um... They already did... He pleaded out. remember. He did that not because he was guilty but because he wanted to protect her family... Geez, what a dirt bag.

 

[thunderradio]

Lantern: Yes you do need to read up on it and COMPREHEND. The photographic evidence was there,the police report was evident, He pleaded NO contest. Your dim witted leader is off the air. Sheesh... " Russ's Lemmings"

 

[dallastech]

The past is the past. Time to move on. Russ needs to be on the Radio again. Regardless if most on this board don't like him. Wow a whole 20 people!! Besides anything half laughable on the radio is deemed crap by most on this board anyway....It seems that if the DJ's are not discussing the Farmers Almanac or talking about politics most of you are not happy. If y'all want to hear that kind of radio. Move to Kansas, Missouri or Iowa. There is plenty of that kind of radio up there.......

There is a reason why Russ is getting paid a Million a year. Not because he's a smooth talker to his bosses. He obviously didn't get off the radio cause of the Recession. They changed formats. its that simple......Clearly that format has done real well! (laugh out loud)

 

[Lantern2814]

Lantern: Yes you do need to read up on it and COMPREHEND. The photographic evidence was there,the police report was evident, He pleaded NO contest. Your dim witted leader is off the air. Sheesh... " Russ's Lemmings"

Photo evidence of what, exactly? Both parties say he never touched her. Sounds like that 'evidence' is just evidence of the clumsiness that he always ragged on her about.

Again...innocent until PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law.

 

[Albert19X]

Lantern: Yes you do need to read up on it and COMPREHEND. The photographic evidence was there,the police report was evident, He pleaded NO contest. Your dim witted leader is off the air. Sheesh... " Russ's Lemmings"

Photo evidence of what, exactly? Both parties say he never touched her. Sounds like that 'evidence' is just evidence of the clumsiness that he always ragged on her about.

Again...innocent until PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law.

Or he takes a plea bargain, at which point it can be argued that the charges had some substance.

 

[little1]

Again...innocent until PROVEN GUILTY in a court of law.

You need to reread your law books and understand that the fuller phrase is 'in court matters, the defendant will be presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

Which doesn't mean that the defendant IS innocent, just that in the legal system the defendant is given the benefit of the doubt (so to speak) IN COURT.

And you need to understand the difference between innocent and being found not guility. Innocent and Not guilty are NOT synonyms. Just because Russ (in this case) didn't plead guilty does not make him innocent of the charges. OJ was found not guilty in a court of law, but is there really a lot of doubt that he killed his wife and Ron Goldman?

There are examples where someone goes to trial, is found not guilty, and later admits to the crime. If you really believe innocent and not guilty are synonyms, how do you deal with cases like that? how can someone admit guilt AND be innocent at the same time.

Of course they can't. Which is why the British legal system uses guilty and 'not proven'. Because not proven doesn't mean someone is innocent, just that the goverment didn't prove guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...

 

[The_X_Man_Cometh]

little1:

Keep your day job, whatever it is. You have misstated the law, included British common law [for absolutely no reason], misquoted two previous chatters, and generally highjacked a thread to make some seriously obtuse points.

In fact, your whole post is "dicta". Dicta are regarded as of little authority, on account of the manner in which they are delivered; it frequently happening that they are given without much reflection, at the bar, without previous examination.

With you as my attorney, I could get a parking ticket reduced down to manslaughter.

Now, back to the Russ hating....

 

[Lantern2814]

Or he takes a plea bargain, at which point it can be argued that the charges had some substance.

And yet a year or two from now, once this has blown over, it won't even be a blip on his criminal record...in fact, it won't even be there....much like a traffic ticket.

Try to demonize him all you like. It's really pathetic that people who dislike a man have to grasp at straws to find more reasons to dislike him.

You hate him, we get it. Move on. Live your life without jealousy.

 

[Albert19X]

Or he takes a plea bargain, at which point it can be argued that the charges had some substance.

And yet a year or two from now, once this has blown over, it won't even be a blip on his criminal record...in fact, it won't even be there....much like a traffic ticket.

Try to demonize him all you like. It's really pathetic that people who dislike a man have to grasp at straws to find more reasons to dislike him.

You hate him, we get it. Move on. Live your life without jealousy.

Sure, a year from now his criminal record will be clear. What won't be clear is his reputation, both within the industry and the listening public. Pee Wee Herman paid his debt to society. How is his reputation faring these days?

Also, my reply wasn't criticizing Russ. It was correcting your seriously flawed post, to which you respond with an even more absurd post. Jealousy doesn't factor onto my dislike of Russ or any other entertainment personality. Claims to the contrary are the crutch of teenage fan girls and Paris Hilton.

 

[radioaircheck]

We need anther baord just for this topic. Russ Martin's time has come and gone. There is no point in talking about his personal life anymore. Life goes on.