So what if 92.3 did try dance...again?

[andreajesus]

Why not? - it worked for the old 'KTU... 8)

 

[neo11]

Why not? - it worked for the old 'KTU... 8)

Yes, it worked for the old 'KTU...in the 70s. Unfortunately, three decades have passed since then.

And you say "two rock stations" as if that's some sort of outlandish number. By that logic, aren't TWO AC stations enough? Two hip-hop stations? Two R&B stations? Two all-news stations? Two sports stations?

 

[p_herring]

Why not? - it worked for the old 'KTU... 8)

Yes, it worked for the old 'KTU...in the 70s. Unfortunately, three decades have passed since then.

And you say "two rock stations" as if that's some sort of outlandish number. By that logic, aren't TWO AC stations enough? Two hip-hop stations? Two R&B stations? Two all-news stations? Two sports stations?

<sarcasm>
NO! TWO ROCK STATIONS IS TOO MUCH! IT'S TOTALLY COOL TO HAVE 5-6 STATIONS PLAYING THE SAME "LITE FAVORITES" AND TWO HAVE MULTIPLE URBAN STATIONS ALONG WITH DANCE STATIONS BUT THIS IS NEW YORK CITY, WE CANNOT HAVE ANY STATIONS PLAYING CURRENT ROCK SONGS! THAT KINDA TALK IS CRAZY TALK!
</sarcasm>

Honestly, I think there really is only room for one rock station in town and it needs to be on a new frequency. There is just too much poor brand association with K-Rock and RXP is to all over the place for people to become loyal listeners.

 

[reggie]

Would it be crazy if CBS tried an edgy CHR? How loyal is Z's demo anyway--especially with all of today's distractions. There hasn't been a CHR war since the 80s, and I think it'd be real interesting to see how it would pan out with both outlets going at it full force.

Why not?

 

[TonySantiago]

Hey Jimi,

I've left my previous place of employment for the last 13 years and am currently looking for a new gig. The downturn in the economy forced some crazy things to happen there. And even though I brought them most of their hits, I wasn't immune. And so it goes...

We now return you to your previous thread, already in progress.

jp

That sucks John . It's a rough economy all around; I certainly know many who were cut by the "budget ax". I do wish you the very best in your future endeavors!

Okay....back to thread

 

[TonySantiago]

Andrea,

I love you, you know that! But I have to say this regarding disco.

Frist off, with "The Strobe" returning to Sirius XM (was announced yesterday!) classic dance fans do have their outlet again! And that's good. However, regarding a disco station again in New York, I really don't think this time around people would totally warm to it.

It's not that the music isn't good. I just think with all that happened regarding 'KTU and Mix 102.7 at the time, disco/classic dance was "beat up" all over the radio......meaning overplayed and oversaturated. I mean, how many times can one listen to "Staying Alive" and "I Will Survive"? That's what 'KTU did then and now they have realized it since that station has shifted more towards "safe" currents and older material not necessarily disco related.

With Joe Causi on 'CBS, at least disco has a home somewhere along with a respected personality behind it!

 

[lalumia]

I have just heard (NOT from JP) that Robbins Records is moving to Nashville and will be all about country music from now on

 

[DanceDiva3]

Why are all of you soo scared of Z-100 ? Get some Balls people

more than 2 stations are Urban
more than 2 stations are Rock
more than 2 stations are Latin

PULSE is making tons of money right now, contrary to what people may say. Something to go head to head with Z would be genius with more of a New York flair and not soo TEXAS / LA like what Z-100 has become.

The Paco analogy is New York, that's what the Old KTU was. Now KTU sounds Texas again too if you think of it. The flavor has been lost. You give Z 100 too much credit, when they have nothing to compete against right now. What other station caters to them if you can't get Pulse's signal? Your i-pod

 

[andreajesus]

Andrea,

I love you, you know that! But I have to say this regarding disco.

Frist off, with "The Strobe" returning to Sirius XM (was announced yesterday!) classic dance fans do have their outlet again! And that's good. However, regarding a disco station again in New York, I really don't think this time around people would totally warm to it.

It's not that the music isn't good. I just think with all that happened regarding 'KTU and Mix 102.7 at the time, disco/classic dance was "beat up" all over the radio......meaning overplayed and oversaturated. I mean, how many times can one listen to "Staying Alive" and "I Will Survive"? That's what 'KTU did then and now they have realized it since that station has shifted more towards "safe" currents and older material not necessarily disco related.

With Joe Causi on 'CBS, at least disco has a home somewhere along with a respected personality behind it!

and I love you, too, Tony :-*, but i must make these points:

1) "The Strobe" would not be coming back if the demand by the classic dance fans wasn't there (i used to listen to it sometimes as well... )
2) Having said what i said in point #1, i must also say this, and i believe it's a paraphrase to something Cousin Brucie said on June 3, 2005 - "New York ain't anywhere else..." My point here? We don't know at this point whether a full-time disco station in New York would work.
3) I still think that full-time disco COULD, emphasize, COULD work -- i think the problem with Mix 102.7 was that it was NOT properly marketed and that the right mix of air talent was NOT happening (Judy Torres?? Brandy??) If 92.3 were to go back to its DISCO roots (who besides me, perhaps, would remember 92.3's pre-DISCO incarnation as "Mellow 92"??), it's going to have to come out of the gate swinging and hire the RIGHT talent (two words: Paco Navarro)...
4) Causi on CBS is a GOOD thing and he DOES play a LOT of disco on his Saturday Night 70's show, but...it is STILL the "Greatest Hits of the 60's, 70's, and 80's" (me? give me my disco, but also give me my Motown, my Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons, and my Sunday Night Radio Greats, do you know what i'm saying?? )

Andrea

 

[neo11]

Here we go again.

92.3 has no disco roots. The format hasn't been on that frequency for 23 years. Different station, different ownership, different era. Just like with the WNEW discussion, the same applies to disco: it is just as likely to succeed/fail anywhere on the dial.

That being said: Mix 102.7 *did* market themselves as a classic dance station, and I do recall they did advertise quite heavily. But with the pie split between them and KTU, something had to give, and it was Mix 102.7, with the worse ratings of the two, which flipped.

ALSO....I just absolutely cannot see CBS Radio putting on a disco format, which would overlap heavily with CBS-FM's music and which would also even eat in to Fresh's audience a bit.

Despite the wishful thinking, it's just not happening.

 

[DToTheJ]

PULSE is making tons of money right now

I've got two words for you: KGOW Houston. Look 'em up sometime.

 

[TonySantiago]

PULSE is making tons of money right now.

I wouldn't say TONS of money, but compared to where they were 3 months ago things are starting to look up for Pulse.

There has certainly been more advertising on that station and that's a good thing. So it isn't Coke, Taco Bell, Target, etc. but so what. Limo companies, clubs, car dealers, etc are billing there and as long as something is being made, that's what matters.

 

[kevinsealy]

Tony Santiago,

I know this sounds like a pipe dream (pipe dreams can happen), but *IF* 92.3FM becomes a dance music station how would you like to see WKTU 103.5 swap frequencies with WXRK?

This has happened a little over 20 years ago when then WYNY exchanged frequencies with WQHT.



Thanks,
Kevin L. Sealy

 

[TonySantiago]

I hear ya Kevin. And I do know the logic....what happened between CC and CBS in Houston swapping frequencies.

But from a dance music perspective, we really no longer consider 'KTU a "dance" station. It IS rhythmic, yes, but has become more on the adult contemporary brand of things. It's not like Pulse 87.

I mean if CC did that, it would be something for the legendary calls to go back to it's 92.3 "home" of the 70's. But for most of us in the dance music community, we really don't tune in to the station, with the possible exception of Judy Torres' show since you do have core fans of freestyle that tune in, as well as the only place on New York City "proper" radio to hear her new track, "Hell No!". I do think people know better with Pulse 87 being here. If 'KTU went back to 92.3, they'd better sound like Pulse 87 if they want any chance of trying to make something happen again. Otherwise, they would have their audience and people would listen but nothing dramatic would happen out of it.

 

[andreajesus]

If 'KTU went back to 92.3, they'd better sound like Pulse 87 if they want any chance of trying to make something happen again. Otherwise, they would have their audience and people would listen but nothing dramatic would happen out of it.

Tony, I love you VERY much :-*, BUT....

I'm NOT so sure...i mean, do we REALLY know what kind of audience 'KTU would get if it went back to its "70's home", PARTICULARLY if it played classic dance with a touch of 90's thrown in?? besides which, with the recent announcement that The Strobe is RETURNING to Sirius, do you not think that there IS as a matter of fact an AUDIENCE for this kind of dance music, PARTICULARLY in rhythmic-based New York City??

Andrea

 

[TonySantiago]

Tony, I love you VERY much :-*, BUT....

I'm NOT so sure...i mean, do we REALLY know what kind of audience 'KTU would get if it went back to its "70's home", PARTICULARLY if it played classic dance with a touch of 90's thrown in?? besides which, with the recent announcement that The Strobe is RETURNING to Sirius, do you not think that there IS as a matter of fact an AUDIENCE for this kind of dance music, PARTICULARLY in rhythmic-based New York City??

Andrea

And I love you back! (and everyone else must be thinking....okay, get a hotel room or something, take it outta here!! LOL)

There is an audience for what 'KTU is doing now....on 103.5 and if they, hypothetically, move it to 92.3 that same audience will be there. But no difference. No question on that.

But if they ('KTU) want to HYPE themselves on the 92.3 dial, it's not as if the current dance crowd that was abandoned after the 'KTU flip of '06 will start running over there. As bad as the Pulse 87 signal may be, Pulse is catering to those needs for the current based dance fan, for the most part. IF CC wanted to do something if they landed 92.3 and create a buzz, they would have to not only put back current dance music, but run it the way Pulse 87 is doing. That crowd won't deal with a new Freemasons track if they know that they will get Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", Yvonne Elliman's "If I Can't Have You", and Gwen Stefani's "It's My Life" right after.

That's what I mean. 'KTU will keep the audience that they already have, with the playlist they're running and nothing would change if a 92.3 flip was imminent. The only difference would be that the 92.3 frequency would be stronger. 103.5 traditionally has been the "weaker" signal....though not weak like Pulse.

 

[nyc_eng]

And I love you back! (and everyone else must be thinking....okay, get a hotel room or something, take it outta here!! LOL)

There is an audience for what 'KTU is doing now....on 103.5 and if they, hypothetically, move it to 92.3 that same audience will be there. But no difference. No question on that.

But if they ('KTU) want to HYPE themselves on the 92.3 dial, it's not as if the current dance crowd that was abandoned after the 'KTU flip of '06 will start running over there. As bad as the Pulse 87 signal may be, Pulse is catering to those needs for the current based dance fan, for the most part. IF CC wanted to do something if they landed 92.3 and create a buzz, they would have to not only put back current dance music, but run it the way Pulse 87 is doing. That crowd won't deal with a new Freemasons track if they know that they will get Cyndi Lauper's "Girls Just Wanna Have Fun", Yvonne Elliman's "If I Can't Have You", and Gwen Stefani's "It's My Life" right after.

That's what I mean. 'KTU will keep the audience that they already have, with the playlist they're running and nothing would change if a 92.3 flip was imminent. The only difference would be that the 92.3 frequency would be stronger. 103.5 traditionally has been the "weaker" signal....though not weak like Pulse.

I don't see that happening. At the time those frequency swaps were happening in NY, things were totally different then today. Stations were either independent or part of smaller groups, with bigger budgets. Now things are corporately controlled and more tightly integrated with other property. In the 103.5/92.3 example at hand for example, Z100 and KTU's transmission plans both are co-located in the same room on the 83rd floor of the empire state building post 9/11. Nobody is going to like the idea of surgically removing and rebuilding that. Not to mention the money invested in the backup transmitters (there are two) and combiner ports over at 4TS, of which 92.3 has no equvilent of to offer up. The whole project just doesn't make sense from a technical perspective when you consider the dollars involved to 'do it right' with the facilities that exist today.

As for either being a 'weaker' not really a fair assessment. KTU and XRK are both full 6kW class B stations that share the same combined "master FM" antenna on ESB. In various areas they are short spaced with other stations (KTU w/ WPRB and WARM & XRK w/ WXTU), and therefore mutually agree to some 'interference areas' within what would normally be their protected contour(s). They both are putting out the same power, from the same antenna, however because of the various overlap areas of the stations they overlap with, the signal varies somewhat along the outskirts of the coverage area.

 

[andreajesus]

ok, i'm reading this and this is what i'm not getting... ??? why are even talking about signal frequencies here? this is a much bigger issue than who's sharing whose antennas or whatever...to me, it's a much BIGGER issue - and this is (or SHOULD be) the issue - we got a station with HISTORICAL call letters on 103.5 sounding like a slightly more uptempo version of Z100 (Pussycat Dolls on 103.5? Cmon....); by the same pace, we got a station on a HISTORICAL frequency (at least, to dance music fans, it was historical 30 years ago....) which is not really making the big bucks, baby for its parent company right now...and we're talking about signal frequencies and antenna sharing? listen, if i had the bucks and was running things, i would go ahead and program that station with the HISTORICAL frequency into a SERIOUS dance music thing...besides which, 103.5 could use some competition... 8)

 

[neo11]

ok, i'm reading this and this is what i'm not getting... ??? why are even talking about signal frequencies here? this is a much bigger issue than who's sharing whose antennas or whatever...to me, it's a much BIGGER issue - and this is (or SHOULD be) the issue - we got a station with HISTORICAL call letters on 103.5 sounding like a slightly more uptempo version of Z100 (Pussycat Dolls on 103.5? Cmon....); by the same pace, we got a station on a HISTORICAL frequency (at least, to dance music fans, it was historical 30 years ago....) which is not really making the big bucks, baby for its parent company right now...and we're talking about signal frequencies and antenna sharing? listen, if i had the bucks and was running things, i would go ahead and program that station with the HISTORICAL frequency into a SERIOUS dance music thing...besides which, 103.5 could use some competition... 8)

Here we go again. 92.3 has not been a disco/dance station in 23 YEARS. Fans of that music had absolutely no trouble finding 103.5 KTU when it signed on in 1996 and in helping it skyrocket to #1 back then and remain fairly successful to this day. Such a station would be no more/less likely to succeed on 92.3 just because of the station that resided on that frequency close to three decades ago.

As for a new station focusing on disco and older dance music....we had that already with Mix 102.7 ( a station which I liked, btw)....the ratings just weren't there though (though they were better than RXP and K-Rock!!!....but not enough to justify bringing it back).

 

[oaktree]

What does "PULSE is making tons of money right now, contrary to what people may say. mean?

You got any "specifics" or "facts"?

I've heard of a radio station making "tons" of money ... but that's, like, $30-$50 million a year. That's not Pulse. No where close.