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Songs that didn't get much radio airplay
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Re: Star Baby
Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think Star Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I want to say 1974. It may be 1973.
> Agreed that it was a good song, but you can't totally blame
> RCA...the group hadn't had a hit for several years...they're
> not gonna put as much effort into an act whose career has
> peaked. I'm pretty sure "Clap For THe Wolfman" came out
> after this.
>
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Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think Star Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I want to say 1974. It may be 1973.
> Agreed that it was a good song, but you can't totally blame
> RCA...the group hadn't had a hit for several years...they're
> not gonna put as much effort into an act whose career has
> peaked. I'm pretty sure "Clap For THe Wolfman" came out
> after this.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
Re: Songs
I rememeber that around 1970/1971, a lot of "solid gold" was played on Top 40 stations and a few oldies stations, but no one played Rock Around The Clock very much until American Graffitti, American Hot Wax in the movies and Happy Days on TV were popular. Then Rock Around The Clock became a Power Gold record.
> I never bought an Osmonds record but was forced to listen to
> a few 'cause a chick I was after LOVED Donny (we never did
> hit it off ).
>
> What's a hit? Pretty simple: a familiar, popular song
> that's still an audience favorite. How do we determine
> that? Not with charts or old surveys but a continuous
> process of researching the music we play with our listeners.
> It's a process that never ends- I don't subscribe to the
> tail-that-wags-the-dog that "the research" is taken
> literally but that we do our homework and compile as much
> useable information as possible to help us Programmers make
> the best decisions for our audience.
> >
> > Which brings the question...what is a "hit"? Even songs
> > that sold well back when they were new (most teen-pop acts
>
> > fall in this category) burned out fast. Will anyone admit
>
> > to having bought an Osmonds or Leif Garrett record?
> >
> > How DO some songs that were only mid-charters during their
>
> > chart run become classics? Despite having been in the biz
>
> > for 20-odd years, that has intrigued me.
> >
>
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I rememeber that around 1970/1971, a lot of "solid gold" was played on Top 40 stations and a few oldies stations, but no one played Rock Around The Clock very much until American Graffitti, American Hot Wax in the movies and Happy Days on TV were popular. Then Rock Around The Clock became a Power Gold record.
> I never bought an Osmonds record but was forced to listen to
> a few 'cause a chick I was after LOVED Donny (we never did
> hit it off ).
>
> What's a hit? Pretty simple: a familiar, popular song
> that's still an audience favorite. How do we determine
> that? Not with charts or old surveys but a continuous
> process of researching the music we play with our listeners.
> It's a process that never ends- I don't subscribe to the
> tail-that-wags-the-dog that "the research" is taken
> literally but that we do our homework and compile as much
> useable information as possible to help us Programmers make
> the best decisions for our audience.
> >
> > Which brings the question...what is a "hit"? Even songs
> > that sold well back when they were new (most teen-pop acts
>
> > fall in this category) burned out fast. Will anyone admit
>
> > to having bought an Osmonds or Leif Garrett record?
> >
> > How DO some songs that were only mid-charters during their
>
> > chart run become classics? Despite having been in the biz
>
> > for 20-odd years, that has intrigued me.
> >
>
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Re: Songs
David, is it possible that Spanish is classified in a more general way in Ohio than in areas with higher populations of Spanish speaking/Spanish listening population?
> > Excuse me but KOVE Houston/Galveston is a spanish format
> > station, not an oldies station.
>
> Spanish is not a format, it is a language.
>
> KOVE is an oldies station.
>
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David, is it possible that Spanish is classified in a more general way in Ohio than in areas with higher populations of Spanish speaking/Spanish listening population?
> > Excuse me but KOVE Houston/Galveston is a spanish format
> > station, not an oldies station.
>
> Spanish is not a format, it is a language.
>
> KOVE is an oldies station.
>
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you still didn't do your homework
> Actually I do my homework. It's because of people like
> you that don't that we have fiascos like WCBS. "drop the
> 50's and add late 70's and ealy 80's." And what happens?
> They head to the basement. they were #10 in the arbitrends
> in June of '05. Now wehre are they?
You don't know any facts, despite everyone repeatedly telling you. The CBS FM audience was aging past the age of 55. That is an undesirable age to the ad agencies and advertisers. The station was losing money. Clean, straight, and simple. NOW do you get it? Probably not. I'm likely just wasting your time. Whatever.
Class is dismissed Michael. I'll see you next year since it looks like you'll be held back once again.
>
> > Mike, you always fail to do your homework.
>
> Oh and when your in the top of the class, the homework's
> easy.
Mike, being at the top of your pre-school class doesn't count.
> Actually I do my homework. It's because of people like
> you that don't that we have fiascos like WCBS. "drop the
> 50's and add late 70's and ealy 80's." And what happens?
> They head to the basement. they were #10 in the arbitrends
> in June of '05. Now wehre are they?
You don't know any facts, despite everyone repeatedly telling you. The CBS FM audience was aging past the age of 55. That is an undesirable age to the ad agencies and advertisers. The station was losing money. Clean, straight, and simple. NOW do you get it? Probably not. I'm likely just wasting your time. Whatever.
Class is dismissed Michael. I'll see you next year since it looks like you'll be held back once again.
>
> > Mike, you always fail to do your homework.
>
> Oh and when your in the top of the class, the homework's
> easy.
Mike, being at the top of your pre-school class doesn't count.
Re: you still didn't do your homework
> Mike, being at the top of your pre-school class doesn't
> count.
>
Traffic school?
> Mike, being at the top of your pre-school class doesn't
> count.
>
Traffic school?
M
MikeDane
Guest
Re: Star Baby
> Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think Star
> Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I want
> to say 1974. It may be 1973.
1974. what a great song, thanks for reminding me of it.
I just might have to play it Sunday.
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
> Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think Star
> Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I want
> to say 1974. It may be 1973.
1974. what a great song, thanks for reminding me of it.
I just might have to play it Sunday.
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
M
MikeDane
Guest
Re: Neil
Sorry David but yes it is. I am sitting here flipping back and
forth looking at the arbitrends on AllAccess. And it only gives
Spanish for KOVE. In fact, of the several of that type only two
give more specific format, the rest just say Spanish. Now maybe
it's AllAccess's problem, but considering that they do show two
stations with the more specific format I tend to think not.
> > That is something you need to take up with Arbitron since
> > that is how it is described in the arbitrends.
>
> No, it is not. Arbitron has 7 or 8 formats under "Spanish"
> such as...
>
> Spanish Oldies
> Spanish AC
> Spanish CHR
> Spanish Variety
> Spanish regional Mexican
> Spanish news talk
> Spánish Urban
> Spanish Tropical
>
> And each is simply the equivalent of the English format in
> Spanish.
>
> Nowhere does Arbitron use the language as the format
> descriptor.
>
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
Sorry David but yes it is. I am sitting here flipping back and
forth looking at the arbitrends on AllAccess. And it only gives
Spanish for KOVE. In fact, of the several of that type only two
give more specific format, the rest just say Spanish. Now maybe
it's AllAccess's problem, but considering that they do show two
stations with the more specific format I tend to think not.
> > That is something you need to take up with Arbitron since
> > that is how it is described in the arbitrends.
>
> No, it is not. Arbitron has 7 or 8 formats under "Spanish"
> such as...
>
> Spanish Oldies
> Spanish AC
> Spanish CHR
> Spanish Variety
> Spanish regional Mexican
> Spanish news talk
> Spánish Urban
> Spanish Tropical
>
> And each is simply the equivalent of the English format in
> Spanish.
>
> Nowhere does Arbitron use the language as the format
> descriptor.
>
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Star Baby
You're right- 1974.
> Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think Star
> Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I want
> to say 1974. It may be 1973.
>
>
> > Agreed that it was a good song, but you can't totally
> blame
> > RCA...the group hadn't had a hit for several
> years...they're
> > not gonna put as much effort into an act whose career has
> > peaked. I'm pretty sure "Clap For THe Wolfman" came out
> > after this.
> >
>
You're right- 1974.
> Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think Star
> Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I want
> to say 1974. It may be 1973.
>
>
> > Agreed that it was a good song, but you can't totally
> blame
> > RCA...the group hadn't had a hit for several
> years...they're
> > not gonna put as much effort into an act whose career has
> > peaked. I'm pretty sure "Clap For THe Wolfman" came out
> > after this.
> >
>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Songs
absolutely- 'American Graffiti' really was what got radio folks thinking 'oldies' could be a radio format. It certainly inspired the nostalgia-type TV shows like Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley, etc. It took radio about another 15 years to catch on, of course.
Really, 'gold' was a major ingredient of most top 40 stations' playlists up into the disco fad. When Top 40 was repackaged as CHR in the early 80s and more facility upgrades and move-ins happened, that's when it became plausible to program a niche format like Oldies 24/7 on one signal (vs. having it as special weekend programming, as it had been).
> I rememeber that around 1970/1971, a lot of "solid gold" was
> played on Top 40 stations and a few oldies stations, but no
> one played Rock Around The Clock very much until American
> Graffitti, American Hot Wax in the movies and Happy Days on
> TV were popular. Then Rock Around The Clock became a Power
> Gold record.
absolutely- 'American Graffiti' really was what got radio folks thinking 'oldies' could be a radio format. It certainly inspired the nostalgia-type TV shows like Happy Days, Laverne & Shirley, etc. It took radio about another 15 years to catch on, of course.
Really, 'gold' was a major ingredient of most top 40 stations' playlists up into the disco fad. When Top 40 was repackaged as CHR in the early 80s and more facility upgrades and move-ins happened, that's when it became plausible to program a niche format like Oldies 24/7 on one signal (vs. having it as special weekend programming, as it had been).
> I rememeber that around 1970/1971, a lot of "solid gold" was
> played on Top 40 stations and a few oldies stations, but no
> one played Rock Around The Clock very much until American
> Graffitti, American Hot Wax in the movies and Happy Days on
> TV were popular. Then Rock Around The Clock became a Power
> Gold record.
Re: Mike flubbs... again.
> Sorry David but yes it is. I am sitting here flipping back
> and
> forth looking at the arbitrends on AllAccess.
All Access is not owned by Arbitron. What they add to the raw Arbitrends data to identify statins, such as format or owner, etc., is their problem.
ARBITRENDS DO NOT show format!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
> And it only
> gives
> Spanish for KOVE.
So, the All Access folks are also stupid. what do you expect from a site paid for by the record companies? All they want to do is attract yusers so they can push the new releases.
> In fact, of the several of that type only
> two
> give more specific format, the rest just say Spanish. Now
> maybe
> it's AllAccess's problem, but considering that they do show
> two
> stations with the more specific format I tend to think not.
It is All Access' issue. I have been using Arbitron data since 1970, and the trends do not have owner or format or dial polition or anything other than calls and the shares, ratings, cume and TSL data we are used to.
>
> > > That is something you need to take up with Arbitron
> since
> > > that is how it is described in the arbitrends.
No, it is not. Jeeze, you are stubborn in your ignorance.
> Sorry David but yes it is. I am sitting here flipping back
> and
> forth looking at the arbitrends on AllAccess.
All Access is not owned by Arbitron. What they add to the raw Arbitrends data to identify statins, such as format or owner, etc., is their problem.
ARBITRENDS DO NOT show format!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111
> And it only
> gives
> Spanish for KOVE.
So, the All Access folks are also stupid. what do you expect from a site paid for by the record companies? All they want to do is attract yusers so they can push the new releases.
> In fact, of the several of that type only
> two
> give more specific format, the rest just say Spanish. Now
> maybe
> it's AllAccess's problem, but considering that they do show
> two
> stations with the more specific format I tend to think not.
It is All Access' issue. I have been using Arbitron data since 1970, and the trends do not have owner or format or dial polition or anything other than calls and the shares, ratings, cume and TSL data we are used to.
>
> > > That is something you need to take up with Arbitron
> since
> > > that is how it is described in the arbitrends.
No, it is not. Jeeze, you are stubborn in your ignorance.
Re: Neil
> Sorry David but yes it is. I am sitting here flipping back
> and
> forth looking at the arbitrends on AllAccess. And it only
> gives
> Spanish for KOVE. In fact, of the several of that type only
> two
> give more specific format, the rest just say Spanish. Now
> maybe
> it's AllAccess's problem, but considering that they do show
> two
> stations with the more specific format I tend to think not.
For the hundreth time, "Spanish" is NOT a specific format! Why do you not grasp that? When I'm wrong, I admit it, but you are so stubborn and ignorant (Eduardo's choice of words below). For example, you might say 2+2=5. Someone would correct you by saying 2+2=4, but you wouldn't admit it since you are so stubborn and since you think you're always right.
> Sorry David but yes it is. I am sitting here flipping back
> and
> forth looking at the arbitrends on AllAccess. And it only
> gives
> Spanish for KOVE. In fact, of the several of that type only
> two
> give more specific format, the rest just say Spanish. Now
> maybe
> it's AllAccess's problem, but considering that they do show
> two
> stations with the more specific format I tend to think not.
For the hundreth time, "Spanish" is NOT a specific format! Why do you not grasp that? When I'm wrong, I admit it, but you are so stubborn and ignorant (Eduardo's choice of words below). For example, you might say 2+2=5. Someone would correct you by saying 2+2=4, but you wouldn't admit it since you are so stubborn and since you think you're always right.
M
MikeDane
Guest
I admit it
After all the bruhaha, I did some more research on
this. I do not purchase the arbitron's since I have
no real need for them. So I don't know if the arbitrends
directtly from arbitron has format and owners or not.
I was/am satisfied with getting the information I need
from AllAccess, but they can, be and in some/many cases
are inaccurate.
I am a firm believer in the old saying the buck stops
here. And I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.
The bottom line is that I was wrong and David was right.
I apologies to everyone for my mistake and any
inconvenience.
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
After all the bruhaha, I did some more research on
this. I do not purchase the arbitron's since I have
no real need for them. So I don't know if the arbitrends
directtly from arbitron has format and owners or not.
I was/am satisfied with getting the information I need
from AllAccess, but they can, be and in some/many cases
are inaccurate.
I am a firm believer in the old saying the buck stops
here. And I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.
The bottom line is that I was wrong and David was right.
I apologies to everyone for my mistake and any
inconvenience.
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
Re: I admit it
> After all the bruhaha, I did some more research on
> this. I do not purchase the arbitron's since I have
> no real need for them. So I don't know if the arbitrends
> directtly from arbitron has format and owners or not.
> I was/am satisfied with getting the information I need
> from AllAccess, but they can, be and in some/many cases
> are inaccurate.
Not only that, they are incomplete. AA only lists stations to a certain share level, and only one table, 12+. Trends have 5 dayparts and 9 demos, for a total of 45 diffrerent reposts, which include share, rating, cume, cume share and TSL. You only see about 3% of the info when you use the publicly disseminated data.
And you can be sure that Arbitron does not give away anything that has any value. 12+, of course, has absolutely zero value.
>
> I am a firm believer in the old saying the buck stops
> here. And I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.
> The bottom line is that I was wrong and David was right.
> I apologies to everyone for my mistake and any
> inconvenience.
Thank you for recognizing that. It's easy to believe that what is in the press is "true" and we all are victims of that. I think all of us respect you more for recognizing this, and thanks for saying it!
> After all the bruhaha, I did some more research on
> this. I do not purchase the arbitron's since I have
> no real need for them. So I don't know if the arbitrends
> directtly from arbitron has format and owners or not.
> I was/am satisfied with getting the information I need
> from AllAccess, but they can, be and in some/many cases
> are inaccurate.
Not only that, they are incomplete. AA only lists stations to a certain share level, and only one table, 12+. Trends have 5 dayparts and 9 demos, for a total of 45 diffrerent reposts, which include share, rating, cume, cume share and TSL. You only see about 3% of the info when you use the publicly disseminated data.
And you can be sure that Arbitron does not give away anything that has any value. 12+, of course, has absolutely zero value.
>
> I am a firm believer in the old saying the buck stops
> here. And I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.
> The bottom line is that I was wrong and David was right.
> I apologies to everyone for my mistake and any
> inconvenience.
Thank you for recognizing that. It's easy to believe that what is in the press is "true" and we all are victims of that. I think all of us respect you more for recognizing this, and thanks for saying it!
M
MikeDane
Guest
Re: advice
Well Cat, Like I say, I talk it, I walk it, I prove it.
Which you seem to be unable to do. When you can do so then
talk to me. Until then you're just a wannabe.
> Right- keep up the front. When you've done it as a real
> fulltime career for 25+ years like many of us, then perhaps
> you can pretend you can tell us to "walk the walk".
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
Well Cat, Like I say, I talk it, I walk it, I prove it.
Which you seem to be unable to do. When you can do so then
talk to me. Until then you're just a wannabe.
> Right- keep up the front. When you've done it as a real
> fulltime career for 25+ years like many of us, then perhaps
> you can pretend you can tell us to "walk the walk".
Mike Dane
WSTB-FM 88.9
SundayOldiesJukebox.com
O
OldiesCat
Guest
advice
Your non-commercial high school radio station must not teach reading.
I've been proving it for nearly 30 years, successfully, FULL-TIME and non-stop. You do it one night a week, maybe, and on the lowest level possible.
At your age, that must be terribly frustrating. No wonder you're so bitter and in denial.
You are looking like a fool when you ignore reality, Mike. And everybody who reads your posts knows it.
> Well Cat, Like I say, I talk it, I walk it, I prove it.
> Which you seem to be unable to do. When you can do so then
> talk to me. Until then you're just a wannabe.
>
> > Right- keep up the front. When you've done it as a real
> > fulltime career for 25+ years like many of us, then
> perhaps you can pretend you can tell us to "walk the walk".
>
> Mike Dane
> WSTB-FM 88.9
> SundayOldiesJukebox.com
>
Your non-commercial high school radio station must not teach reading.
I've been proving it for nearly 30 years, successfully, FULL-TIME and non-stop. You do it one night a week, maybe, and on the lowest level possible.
At your age, that must be terribly frustrating. No wonder you're so bitter and in denial.
You are looking like a fool when you ignore reality, Mike. And everybody who reads your posts knows it.
> Well Cat, Like I say, I talk it, I walk it, I prove it.
> Which you seem to be unable to do. When you can do so then
> talk to me. Until then you're just a wannabe.
>
> > Right- keep up the front. When you've done it as a real
> > fulltime career for 25+ years like many of us, then
> perhaps you can pretend you can tell us to "walk the walk".
>
> Mike Dane
> WSTB-FM 88.9
> SundayOldiesJukebox.com
>
Re: Clap For...Imus
In the fade out on Clap For The Wolfman, Wolfman Jack tells some chick, "You love Imus."
I have a Canadian pressing on Nimbus 9 Records, but I assume it is that same as the US pressing.
>
> > Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think
> Star
> > Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I
> want
> > to say 1974. It may be 1973.
> >
> > <P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
In the fade out on Clap For The Wolfman, Wolfman Jack tells some chick, "You love Imus."
I have a Canadian pressing on Nimbus 9 Records, but I assume it is that same as the US pressing.
>
> > Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think
> Star
> > Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I
> want
> > to say 1974. It may be 1973.
> >
> > <P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
O
OldiesCat
Guest
Clap
never heard that- now I HAVE TO check it out.
> In the fade out on Clap For The Wolfman, Wolfman Jack tells
> some chick, "You love Imus."
>
> I have a Canadian pressing on Nimbus 9 Records, but I assume
> it is that same as the US pressing.
>
> >
> > > Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think
> > Star
> > > Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I
> > want
> > > to say 1974. It may be 1973.
> > >
> > >
>
never heard that- now I HAVE TO check it out.
> In the fade out on Clap For The Wolfman, Wolfman Jack tells
> some chick, "You love Imus."
>
> I have a Canadian pressing on Nimbus 9 Records, but I assume
> it is that same as the US pressing.
>
> >
> > > Clap For The Wolfman came out after Star Baby. I think
> > Star
> > > Baby was in the spring and Clap...was a summer hit. I
> > want
> > > to say 1974. It may be 1973.
> > >
> > >
>
F
fang39
Guest
Great tune, Mike! Kenny performed it as the encore during his 1980 tour...setting off fireworks at the song's conclusion!
F
fang39
Guest
Re: Songs
"Keep The Fire" didn't chart as high as "This Is It" because it was considered too dull for Top 40 and too "bright" (for lack of a better word) for the mellow drek that was AC. It competed against tunes like "The Rose" by Bette Midler, Linda Ronstadt's "Hurt So Bad" and "Don't Fall In Love With A Dreamer" by Kenny Rogers & Kim Carnes.
"Keep The Fire" didn't chart as high as "This Is It" because it was considered too dull for Top 40 and too "bright" (for lack of a better word) for the mellow drek that was AC. It competed against tunes like "The Rose" by Bette Midler, Linda Ronstadt's "Hurt So Bad" and "Don't Fall In Love With A Dreamer" by Kenny Rogers & Kim Carnes.
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