The battle is getting hotter

[JMartin1970]

What was Clear Channel doing with KLOL when it had better results

 

[idiggraves]

What was Clear Channel doing with KLOL when it had better results

Probably NOT listening to consultants...

 

[amisdead]

Probably NOT listening to consultants...

You, I and everyone else know that is total rubbish.

 

[amisdead]

You’re kidding right? That's a joke right? You’re seriously going to try to knock other people’s suggestions b/c you’re "in the biz"? One of those same people who in 2009 were responsible for losing almost 1/5 of this markets revenue? Name any other company/industry where you would get to keep your gig for doing such a horrific job? "Waaah, it’s the economy, Waaah, it's the other media outlets". All I see is a lot of excuses being made by those "in the biz", yet the smaller market guys who haven't cut everything worth listening to are still able to turn a profit. BTW Alpha Dog up in Portland, OR is about to blow those big market excuses out of the water as well. Frankly, I don’t think saying your "in the biz" is ANYTHING to be proud of. Unless your proud of being 2nd in media's race to the bottom of the barrel. The programming and decisions that are leading to this programming is/are just awful.

Re-read my original post. I never claimed to be "in the biz" (I am) or even in Houston (I am not) or have divine wisdom (I definitely do not). I didn't even imply it. That was all what you read into my post.

I was taking issue with several commenters in this thread who were just totally wrong, mostly about tower locations. They also were making nonsensical suggestions about swapping station frequencies that were both on the same tower. There was no benefit to these proposals and some of the posts were barely comprehensible because the grammar was so poor. If you have an idea that you are going to take time to write and post, then at least proof it. And check your facts before you make incorrect statements as facts.

I love your passion, but you not being completely fair to this industry. 2009 was ugly, no doubt, but there were plenty of businesses and industries down a lot more than radio. Auto is a good example. Auto also contributed to radio's very unpleasant year, because they scaled back so much of their ad-buying.

And finally for what it is worth, I too think that The Box needs some competition. Product-wise it is not even in the same league as The Box of years past.

 

[idiggraves]

Probably NOT listening to consultants...

You, I and everyone else know that is total rubbish.

Amisdead: You, Sir (I'm assuming), need to take a breath. First off, I have to assume based on your backlash that you are a consultant. My post was simply meant to be a joke. Having been raised in Houston listening to KLOL, I am quite interested in it's history and it's future.

And for the record, my belief is that stations that are run soley based on the opinions of out of town consultants are doomed. That is my opinion and based on my experience in this biz, it is not rubbish.

Please play nice or don't play at all.

 

[onemarketbore]

You’re kidding right? That's a joke right? You’re seriously going to try to knock other people’s suggestions b/c you’re "in the biz"? One of those same people who in 2009 were responsible for losing almost 1/5 of this markets revenue? Name any other company/industry where you would get to keep your gig for doing such a horrific job? "Waaah, it’s the economy, Waaah, it's the other media outlets". All I see is a lot of excuses being made by those "in the biz", yet the smaller market guys who haven't cut everything worth listening to are still able to turn a profit. BTW Alpha Dog up in Portland, OR is about to blow those big market excuses out of the water as well. Frankly, I don’t think saying your "in the biz" is ANYTHING to be proud of. Unless your proud of being 2nd in media's race to the bottom of the barrel. The programming and decisions that are leading to this programming is/are just awful.

Re-read my original post. I never claimed to be "in the biz" (I am) or even in Houston (I am not) or have divine wisdom (I definitely do not). I didn't even imply it. That was all what you read into my post.

I was taking issue with several commenters in this thread who were just totally wrong, mostly about tower locations. They also were making nonsensical suggestions about swapping station frequencies that were both on the same tower. There was no benefit to these proposals and some of the posts were barely comprehensible because the grammar was so poor. If you have an idea that you are going to take time to write and post, then at least proof it. And check your facts before you make incorrect statements as facts.

I love your passion, but you not being completely fair to this industry. 2009 was ugly, no doubt, but there were plenty of businesses and industries down a lot more than radio. Auto is a good example. Auto also contributed to radio's very unpleasant year, because they scaled back so much of their ad-buying.

And finally for what it is worth, I too think that The Box needs some competition. Product-wise it is not even in the same league as The Box of years past.

“Re-read my original post. I never claimed to be "in the biz" (I am)..”

You didn’t have to. The following statement was the tip-off.

"Does anyone else here actually work in radio?"

"…or even in Houston (I am not)"

After making many trips here, I actually just settled here in Houston myself. (Job related) But I've had the opportunity to hear the local stations on several occasions. Frankly I know much more about broadcasting in the Northeast. (Where I am from, hence the WBCN reference)

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I was taking issue with several commenters in this thread who were just totally wrong, mostly about tower locations." They also were making nonsensical suggestions about swapping station frequencies that were both on the same tower. There was no benefit to these proposals and some of the posts were barely comprehensible because the grammar was so poor. If you have an idea that you are going to take time to write and post, then at least proof it. And check your facts before you make incorrect statements as facts."

I do agree that people should do their homework on things that can be researched (i.e. Tower locations etc.) But what I saw was you tearing into the ideas posters had on potential formats. The only people who are going to have hard concrete knowledge of a flip would be the brass in charge of whatever station is in question "KLOL" and the staff as the knowledge is trickled down. Anything else is just that, speculation. Also as odd of an idea as swapping frequencies on the same tower seems. I know it has happed before. Maybe not in Houston, but defiantly in other parts of the country.

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"I love your passion, but you not being completely fair to this industry. 2009 was ugly, no doubt, but there were plenty of businesses and industries down a lot more than radio. Auto is a good example. Auto also contributed to radio's very unpleasant year, because they scaled back so much of their ad-buying."

While I do appreciate the compliment, (I just wish ALL broadcasters felt like I did, from the brass to the board ops.) I have to say the preceding quote is not entirely true. For every trend, there is an exception. While the trend in 2009 was toward bad times and bailouts for the automobile industry, just as job cuts and knee jerk reactions we’re radio’s trend. Ford "The only company who didn’t stick their hand into the govts. pocket," claimed a $2.1b profit. Don't believe me? Search Yahoo news. Now the smaller guys in radio who stuck to the straight and narrow, we're able to turn a profit. Sure it wasn't in the fortune 500, but they paid their bills. And even had a couple of shekels to "potentially" re-invest. Could CBS, Clear Channel, Cox, or Citadel say the same? No! So I have to disagree. I'm not being TOO hard. I'm being HONEST with this industry. Something the industry should try a shot of itself.

And finally for what it is worth, I too think that The Box needs some competition. Product-wise it is not even in the same league as The Box of years past.

Again that’s 1/2 the story, Competition yes, but defiantly not the "well we'll just copy them to get some of their ratings" scheme that everyone else is going for. Thatis one of many bad ideas that have gotten radio into the trouble it is in. Try thinking (awful pun coming up folks) OUTSIDE THE BOXX.
And again the most DISGUSTING example is Eagle/Arrow. If you’re not in the market, stream these two stations. And you'll see my point. "Write the agreement, simulcast, cut the spending and share the profit. Or try a different take on the format. I seriously don't think "53min of music every hour" is a slogan worth copying, let alone airing. Dosent’ anyone at either station have the heart to try to be more creative? Quite a few years ago, another online poster said, “ It used to be radio played to win, now it’s seems radio just plays not to lose.” Not only do I totally agree with this statement, but feel this is EXACTLY why radio is losing as a whole today.

One last point I would like to make. There is no doubt radio is in the fight of its life right now. I do feel like the next 24-36 mths are going to be critical to its continued survival. I think (and I know this can be debated) if they find a way to stream internet into cars. Reliably, and somewhat cheaply, you can pretty much consider radio "pony-expressed". Those that know/love this medium know it needs ALL the help, support, and creativity it can get. Being in the biz, I would think somewhere deep down, is a passion for radio inside of you. Unless you were forced at gunpoint into your career, in which I stand corrected. So why the handle "amisdead"? Leaving aside the fact that the two top billing stations for 2009, in the #1 market in America (WINS, WCBS) are of amplitude modulation. Wouldn't you want ALL the resources you can get instead of chastising an entire band to die? Sure it’s got its own deficiencies. But aside from clarity and differences in receptions issues as opposed to FM. Isn't it all still radio?

P.S. I’m Apologizing again for my horrible grammar as well as my attempt at quoting.

 

[kendro]

Telegraphed, land-lined, 8-tracked...
What was KLOL doing right in its heyday?