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The future of Oldies

Re: pirate stations

I support free radio to the fullest and if you do too sing the free radio petition http://www.petitiononline.com/SFRadio/petition.html. Every city has @ least 2 open frequencies or more where you could setup a low power station unlicensed station that would be a community like the fcc wanted and would not interfer. Free Speach in this country is a joke look what they are doin to the Howard Stern show it was a great show 5 to 10 years ago now the FCC watches everything they do the FCC is out to make money and not server the community they should listen to the Community not want they want check out my petition.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Truth about Arbitron

> I was not expecting that answer. Non profit (below 92.1FM)
> do not subscribe to ratings, so they do not show up either.

All legtal and licenced stations show up in Arbitron if they have a very basic minimum level of listening. Non-commercial, commercial, sattelite, etc. show up. Only Pirates do not.

Being subscribed to Arbitron has NOTHING to do with appearing in the book.
>
> If a frequency is not being used, then someone without a
> license should be able to use it, unless he interferes with
> another station.

There are very, very few unused frequencies in the entire country, and those that exist are in North dakota somewhere.
 
Re: pirate stations

> Illegal is still illegal, all the filters and other pirate
> radio b.s. notwithstanding.

As I have said before, I was on an aborted landing at the Miami airport... where the pilot reported they could not get proper instrumentation and communication due to interference from a pirate FM staitons that was messing up the aviation band.

Pirates are illegal, they are dangerous and they are, generally, horrible programming.
 
Re: first Oldies

> Now we're really talking pre-rock & roll era. Many would
> insist 1955 was
> the first year- I mention the Bill Haley song as a true rock
> & roll hit that
> did make top 10 late in '54.
>
> > > "Shake, Rattle & Roll" by Bill Haley & His Comets (1954)
>
> > > really was truly the first major rock & roll hit that
> mattered.
> > >
> > What about "Gee"-The Crows (1954?) --- OR -- "60 Minute
> > Man"-The Dominos (1951??)
> >

I suggest we all get weapons and fight to the finish. Whoever dies last gets to decide what the first Rock & Roll song was.

Yes it's that important.
 
pirate stations

That's an entirely different subjet.

It is still illegal to operate a radio station without a license, whether we like or agree with it. Against the law is against the law. Period.

> Sometimes laws are wrong. In this country, keeping people
> from freedom of speech is wrong. There are instances where
> the laws limit speech. Assuming no interference, anyone
> should be able to broadcast their opinions or music.
> Government ownership of the airwaves is Socialist and should
> not exist in this country.
>
> > Illegal is still illegal
 
Re: pirate stations

Doesn't work that way. Like I said before, just because I don't hear anything on a certain frequency on my clock radio, doesn't mean I won't interfere with an existing service. The only truly open frequency in my area is 107.3. If 20 pirate stations fired up all at once, claiming "nothing's there" it would be chaos..and quite possibly still interfere with adjacent channels or nearby stations. Even if you're a qualified engineer, if it were to become policy that anyone could operate on any vacant frequency, the next 20 people who wanted to fire up may well not be. As for the free speech argument, the government can't stop you from speaking. It doesn't, however, mean that that they have to provide you a packed stadium to speak to...or a broadcast frequency.<P ID="signature">______________
Greetings from Ohio-where the governor wants everyone to know he's sorry.</P>
 
Re: pirate stations

According to David, the only open frequencies are somewhere in North Dakota.

Where I live, there are no AM station from 600 to 960AM. San Antonio is 90 miles from here and they have a few in that range but here there are none. I do not see why the FCC should care if some pirate broadcasts somewhere in that range on a frequency not used in San Antonio/San Marcos/Temple or Waco and is not adjacent to any and is not 820 because of WBAP in Dallas. And the pirate should keep it no higher than 1 Kw. Who would be hurt by that?



> I support free radio to the fullest and if you do too sing
> the free radio petition
> http://www.petitiononline.com/SFRadio/petition.html. Every
> city has @ least 2 open frequencies or more where you could
> setup a low power station unlicensed station that would be a
> community like the fcc wanted and would not interfer. Free
> Speach in this country is a joke look what they are doin to
> the Howard Stern show it was a great show 5 to 10 years ago
> now the FCC watches everything they do the FCC is out to
> make money and not server the community they should listen
> to the Community not want they want check out my petition.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
 
Re: The Petition

There is no official weight to a national petition. How many people signed to end Vietnam?

Calls to your congressman and even more important, letters will probably do more for the cause than a petition.

In the current situation, I do not see a change. Congressman Ron Paul (R-Texas) would probably endorse a change but nearly every other congressman and senator will be indifferent.

The best way to fight it is to use the mp3/ipod (boycott radio) or to start a NON-interfering pirate station (challenge radio). Americans have a right to free speech and we should not let the government shut down one aspect of that speech as long as we don't interfere with the free speech of other Americans.



> I support free radio to the fullest and if you do too sing
> the free radio petition
> http://www.petitiononline.com/SFRadio/petition.html. Every
> city has @ least 2 open frequencies or more where you could
> setup a low power station unlicensed station that would be a
> community like the fcc wanted and would not interfer. Free
> Speach in this country is a joke look what they are doin to
> the Howard Stern show it was a great show 5 to 10 years ago
> now the FCC watches everything they do the FCC is out to
> make money and not server the community they should listen
> to the Community not want they want check out my petition.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
 
Re: pirate stations

You assume that the government has some socialist right to own a frequency. I do not make that assumption.

It doesn't, however, mean that that they have
> to provide you a packed stadium to speak to...or a broadcast
> frequency.
>
<P ID="signature">______________
[email protected]</P>
 
Re: pirate stations

> According to David, the only open frequencies are somewhere
> in North Dakota.

When you protect another station, you are not dealing with the protection at the location you propose. You are dealing with the protection you must afford to other stations at the edge of your coverage area... which may overlap the coverage area of another station. And you have to protect the channel you ar eon, plus adjacents and second adjacents.
>
> Where I live, there are no AM station from 600 to 960AM.
> San Antonio is 90 miles from here and they have a few in
> that range but here there are none.

The area you are talking about has very high conductivity. Were you to put a station on, say, 720, you would be interfereing with KSAH's protected contour. Or 680. Or 760. Or 860. Or 630. Or 930. All of these SA signals, daytime, are protected for aobut 75 to 120 miles, with the most protection on 680.

> I do not see why the
> FCC should care if some pirate broadcasts somewhere in that
> range on a frequency not used in San Antonio/San
> Marcos/Temple or Waco and is not adjacent to any and is not
> 820 because of WBAP in Dallas. And the pirate should keep
> it no higher than 1 Kw. Who would be hurt by that?

One, you could not use non-directional 1 kw at night on any of those channels. There is no way to fit a 1000 watt station that is non-DA on any channel nearly anywhere in the whole US without breaking all the protection rules there are.

Second, the FCC has been mandated to regulate radio. Any staiton without an FCC license is illegal, and you are suggesting committing an illegal act. One reason the FCC has this mandate is to keep up technical standards and to protect both other stations and other services form interference. Immagine a few thousand ramse transmitters on the air! There would be chaos from long wave up to the GHz bands.

And an AM, to operate efficiently, needs a tower and a ground system and good equipment. Just try to do all that, even on leased land, for less than $30 k these days. In fact, the first 1 kw I built, in 1964, with leased land, cost over $15 k then!

A 1 kw station on even a low frequency at night on a clear frequency can be heard world wide. And its capability for interference covers many states around. And if it were in Texas, it would violate instantly all our agreements with Mexico, and cause the Mexicans to retaliate on our channels.

.
 
Re: pirate stations

> You assume that the government has some socialist right to
> own a frequency. I do not make that assumption.

When there are things that th epublic must share, the government regulates how this is done. For example, they regulate waterways to marine traffic, the air for aircraft and the radio spectrum for transmissions. Otherwise, there would be chaos and, in some cases, death and injury and a threat to the public.

Government is necessary for people to live in anything other than anarchy together. We willingly submit to some regulation of our liberties and freedoms for the common good (which is the meaning of the term "commonwealth") so that the freedoms of one person do not impinge on those of another. Ben Franklin made a statement to the effect that, in a civilized society, one man's freedoms extend only to the tip of another man's nose.

In fact, the government control of public resources is very much unlike socialism, where the people, through the government, own everything and there is no private ownership of anything. I am guessing you have never lived or worked in a socialist country; I have and it is nothing like you think it is.

In America, the government is the public trustee for the interests of the citizens, but there is a clear right to private property (where freedom of speech does not apply) and private enterprise.
 
pirate stations

Those who've invested from tens of thousands to multi-millions in holding licenses, developing product and talent. AND, listeners. All the socialist and free speech and "free radio" talk aside, it would mean changing all the rules in the middle of the game. It would be unfair and bring radio to it's lowest level (quality-wise) ever.

>And the pirate should keep it no higher than 1 Kw. Who would be hurt by that?
>
>
>
> > I support free radio to the fullest and if you do too sing
>
> > the free radio petition
> > http://www.petitiononline.com/SFRadio/petition.html.
> Every
> > city has @ least 2 open frequencies or more where you
> could
> > setup a low power station unlicensed station that would be
> a
> > community like the fcc wanted and would not interfer.
> Free
> > Speach in this country is a joke look what they are doin
> to
> > the Howard Stern show it was a great show 5 to 10 years
> ago
> > now the FCC watches everything they do the FCC is out to
> > make money and not server the community they should listen
>
> > to the Community not want they want check out my petition.
>
> >
>
 
Re: pirate stations

> A 1 kw station on even a low frequency at night on a clear
> frequency can be heard world wide. And its capability for
> interference covers many states around. And if it were in
> Texas, it would violate instantly all our agreements with
> Mexico, and cause the Mexicans to retaliate on our channels.

In 1979, when I was with KAAP Santa Paula, Calif., we were on 1400kHz (the Class IV graveyard, as it was known then) and got a DX reception report, with a cassette recording for verification, from New Zealand. And we were on night 250w power at the time of the reception (I remember verifying that our all-night guy was the voice on the tape) on a frequency with hundreds of competing signals.

Pepper, face reality, please. Your libertarian view of broadcasting conflicts with the natural laws of physics, and you improperly place into conflict the right of free speech with the need to regulate scarce resources (the airwaves are NOT unlimited).<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
Re: pirate stations

> You assume that the government has some socialist right to
> own a frequency. I do not make that assumption.

And that, sir, is where your logic fails the ultimate test.

It is internationally agreed that the airwaves are regulated. Therefore, it is not a case of government owning the frequencies; rather, it is a case of governments (plural) regulating the use of a resource that is subject to the natural laws of physics in order to prevent interference not only within a country's own boundaries but also where that interference could occur in other countries.

Those laws of physics are not subject to your interpretation. As has been proven time and again (ask any DXer), AM is especially subject to transmission ranges far beyond your "local check of available frequencies".

Will you be kind enough to post the amount of the FCC fine you are levied when you start your proposed pirate AM in South Dakota? Or will you be serving jail time instead because you will, on principle, refuse to pay the fine?<P ID="signature">______________


</P>
 
Re: pirate stations

> When there are things that the public must share, the
> government regulates how this is done.
>
> Government is necessary for people to live in anything other
> than anarchy together. We willingly submit to some
> regulation of our liberties and freedoms for the common good
> (which is the meaning of the term "commonwealth") so that
> the freedoms of one person do not impinge on those of
> another.
> In fact, the government control of public resources is very
> much unlike socialism.
> In America, the government is the public trustee for the
> interests of the citizens, but there is a clear right to
> private property (where freedom of speech does not apply)
> and private enterprise.

Amen to all of the above. I can't believe some of the statements
that have made it into this discussion especially those that
referred to the government "owning" the airwaves and the FCC is
only out to make money. Yikes!
 
Re: pirate stations

> > A 1 kw station on even a low frequency at night on a clear
>
> > frequency can be heard world wide. And its capability for
> > interference covers many states around. And if it were in
> > Texas, it would violate instantly all our agreements with
> > Mexico, and cause the Mexicans to retaliate on our
> channels.
>
> In 1979, when I was with KAAP Santa Paula, Calif., we were
> on 1400kHz (the Class IV graveyard, as it was known then)
> and got a DX reception report, with a cassette recording for
> verification, from New Zealand. And we were on night 250w
> power at the time of the reception (I remember verifying
> that our all-night guy was the voice on the tape) on a
> frequency with hundreds of competing signals.
>
> Pepper, face reality, please. Your libertarian view of
> broadcasting conflicts with the natural laws of physics, and
> you improperly place into conflict the right of free speech
> with the need to regulate scarce resources (the airwaves are
> NOT unlimited).

Over the years, my 1 kw non-da station on 570 in Quito, Ecuador, got DX reports from a dozne countries in Europe, Australia and New Zealand, and about 20 different states in the US... probably in all several hundred reports outside of South America. There is a reason the FCC only allows micropower unlicensed stations... anything more can and will interfere with other services.
>
 
Re: pirate stations

> Amen to all of the above. I can't believe some of the
> statements
> that have made it into this discussion especially those that
>
> referred to the government "owning" the airwaves and the FCC
> is
> only out to make money. Yikes!
>

Thank you. I think the recent auctions of frequencies and spectrum space have given many the wrong impression... when, in fact, the proceeds from the auctions really are only and "advance" for the FCC regulatory costs, which are substantial. Government should do more to have those who request regulated services pay a significant part of the resultant regulatory costs.
 
free radio petition

> I support free radio to the fullest and if you do too sing
> the free radio petition
> http://www.petitiononline.com/SFRadio/petition.html. Every
> city has @ least 2 open frequencies or more where you could
> setup a low power station unlicensed station that would be a
> community like the fcc wanted and would not interfer. Free
> Speach in this country is a joke look what they are doin to
> the Howard Stern show it was a great show 5 to 10 years ago
> now the FCC watches everything they do the FCC is out to
> make money and not server the community they should listen
> to the Community not want they want check out my petition.

Suggestion:

If the petition were written in coherent English -- with proper
grammar, capitalization, and punctuation -- and without run-on
sentences, some people might take it seriously.

As it stands now, it's painful to even read it.

Of course the same applies to the previous posting.

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
SOUTH FLORIDA RADIO HISTORY</P>
 
Re: pirate stations

> Those who've invested from tens of thousands to
> multi-millions in holding licenses, developing product and
> talent. AND, listeners. All the socialist and free speech
> and "free radio" talk aside, it would mean changing all the
> rules in the middle of the game. It would be unfair and
> bring radio to it's lowest level (quality-wise) ever.

Worse than it is now? IM-possible!

73s from 954<P ID="signature">______________
SOUTH FLORIDA RADIO HISTORY</P>
 
bad radio?

well, if radio sucks so bad and you're so great, why do you bother to put so much time and effort into this board?

>
> Worse than it is now? IM-possible!
>
> 73s from 954
>
 
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