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Re: pirate stations:A Summary On The Issue

I would like to summarize this discussion. I understand your points about physics and interference and treaties. I will take your points into consideration. You are much deeper on the engineering aspects than I am.

For nearly every issue and perhaps every issue, there is a free market solution and a socialist solution. My bias is strongly in favor of the free market solution because it works better than the socialist solution. You may call it what you want, but government ownership of any asset is socialist.

I am not an expert in this but I know something about radio and a little about engineering. I think that there is a method where every available non-interfering frequency in every part of this country can be owned by private interests. I may not have the method formulated but I know that there is some method of private ownership of frequencies without one broadcaster interfering with another. I think of the example of private ownership of land for some solutions.

Your solution is to defer to government ownership of frequencies which does not take any creative thought because it is what we now have. You accept or tolerate that there will be inefficiencies in the use of the asset ie. radio frequencies. You also accept the lack of freedom to own a radio frequency by a private entity.

My policy is to always err in favor of freedom. I think a system of private frequencies can work. You do not think it will work.

I am not for pirates per se. I am in favor of legitimate owners of frequencies in competition in a free marketplace. Pirates are a protest to government ownership. It is kind of like the Boston Tea Party.

Every owner should police his frequency and use all legal methods such as police and courts to evict any trespasser from his broadcast frequency.

I accept that you do not think it will work and the US government should be the owner.

If I am mistaken in this summary, I stand corrected. I think you understand my position.






> > You assume that the government has some socialist right to
>
> > own a frequency. I do not make that assumption.
>
> When there are things that th epublic must share, the
> government regulates how this is done. For example, they
> regulate waterways to marine traffic, the air for aircraft
> and the radio spectrum for transmissions. Otherwise, there
> would be chaos and, in some cases, death and injury and a
> threat to the public.
>
> Government is necessary for people to live in anything other
> than anarchy together. We willingly submit to some
> regulation of our liberties and freedoms for the common good
> (which is the meaning of the term "commonwealth") so that
> the freedoms of one person do not impinge on those of
> another. Ben Franklin made a statement to the effect that,
> in a civilized society, one man's freedoms extend only to
> the tip of another man's nose.
>
> In fact, the government control of public resources is very
> much unlike socialism, where the people, through the
> government, own everything and there is no private ownership
> of anything. I am guessing you have never lived or worked in
> a socialist country; I have and it is nothing like you think
> it is.
>
> In America, the government is the public trustee for the
> interests of the citizens, but there is a clear right to
> private property (where freedom of speech does not apply)
> and private enterprise.
>
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Re: pirate stations:A Summary On The Issue

> For nearly every issue and perhaps every issue, there is a
> free market solution and a socialist solution. My bias is
> strongly in favor of the free market solution because it
> works better than the socialist solution. You may call it
> what you want, but government ownership of any asset is
> socialist.

That is a classic, simplistic definition of socialism. In fact, socialism does not involve total state ownership of properties, but, rather, extreme control of same with distribution of wealth on a sliding scale. On the other hand, classic communism contemplates state control and distribution of wealth by need.

There is, in today's world, no free market. Governments everywhere regulate labor (wages, safety, retirement security, etc.), production (tarifs, safety standards, etc.) and even consumption (by taxing incomes to redistribute wealth for the common good).

A true free market is anarchistic. Today's free markets are regulated but relatively open. And, in nearly every case, governments regulate certain commodities, such as the spectrum, shipping channels, air lanes, water... even the weight of trucks on the road.

In an anarchy, such as has existed in the last several decades at certain times in several countries, the regulation of such things decays. In a radio specific example, Argentina and Italy went through periods where the federal government, individual "states" and counties and towns all licensed stations, and many just went on the air on their own. In some places, there was no way to listen to the radio. Buenos Aires had, at one point, over 300 stations. the ones with valid federal licences went out with goon squads to put the less legal ones off the air when they were interfering. Now that is a desirable situation!
>
> I am not an expert in this but I know something about radio
> and a little about engineering. I think that there is a
> method where every available non-interfering frequency in
> every part of this country can be owned by private
> interests.

Nearly every station in the US is privately owned. And the companies that own many of them are public companies, and the shareholders of most are mutual funds, retirement funds and pension plans... in other words, average people via thier investments or retirement fund.

There are no frequencies in the heavily populated areas of the US, either AM or FM, where a station with enough power to be heard could operate. Every case produces co channel or adjacent channel interference either locally or in the surrounding areas.

AM is more problematic, as there are different propagation models day and night.

> I may not have the method formulated but I know
> that there is some method of private ownership of
> frequencies without one broadcaster interfering with
> another. I think of the example of private ownership of land
> for some solutions.

But... you can not pick up your land and put it on top of some one esles land. Frequencies with multiple stations on them can and do interfere, even when it is not obvious.
>
> Your solution is to defer to government ownership of
> frequencies which does not take any creative thought because
> it is what we now have. You accept or tolerate that there
> will be inefficiencies in the use of the asset ie. radio
> frequencies. You also accept the lack of freedom to own a
> radio frequency by a private entity.

The US government does not operate radio stations inside the US (VOA is chartered for an exterior service) so all radio staitons are private. And the existence of each station was granted by either first come rights or a competitive hearing (and, today, an auction) where the service and integration in the community was the main factor.

At issue also is the need to regulate the equipment used by stations, as bad equipment or badly maintained equipment will interfere with other staitons and with other services.
>
> My policy is to always err in favor of freedom. I think a
> system of private frequencies can work. You do not think it
> will work.

There are no free frequencies of any consequence anywhere that there is significant population. And where there is smaller population, the economy can not sustain any other stations.
>
> I am not for pirates per se. I am in favor of legitimate
> owners of frequencies in competition in a free marketplace.
> Pirates are a protest to government ownership. It is kind
> of like the Boston Tea Party.

Very very very few pirates operate in protest of FCC policies. Most exist because someoen thinks that thier personal mix of gangsta rap is better, or where someone thinks they can make money without the investment. Most are hobby stations, some run commercially until shut down. All are ego gratification machines of the first water.
>
> Every owner should police his frequency and use all legal
> methods such as police and courts to evict any trespasser
> from his broadcast frequency.

It is not that easy. Short of the Argentine solution of beating up the operators and breaking the equipment with bats, it takes a lot of time to go through the legal procedures to get a pirate off the air.
>
> I accept that you do not think it will work and the US
> government should be the owner.

No, the government should be the regulator, just as they are in many other areas where an unfettered free market can not exist.
>
> If I am mistaken in this summary, I stand corrected. I
> think you understand my position.

Yep; I do. The real issue today is that there are over 13,500 stations all of which have to be protected. LPFM has added a few very small stations, but there is no way today to add any stations with decent coverage.
 
Re: bad radio?

> well, if radio sucks so bad and you're so great, why do you
> bother to put so much time and effort into this board?
>
> > Worse than it is now? IM-possible!
> >
> > 73s from 954

I want radio to be just as wonderful.

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radio?

I have great news for you (no, I didn't save 15% with Geico): continuous postings about how radio sucks without solutions won't make radio wonderful.


>
> I want radio to be just as wonderful.
>
> And TV R*E*A*L*L*Y sucks. (Apologies to Hyman Kaplan.)
>
> > well, if radio sucks so bad and you're so great, why do
> you
> > bother to put so much time and effort into this board?
> >
> > > Worse than it is now? IM-possible!
> > >
> > > 73s from 954
 
50's, 60's 70's 80's & sushi

> My personal opinion is that stations could and should mix it
> up. take the decades 50's, 60's 70's and even some 80's pick
> a precentage of each and mix them right. I think a format
> like that with personalities could make a whole new
> marketable format.I

There are some people who like 50s & 60s but not 70s & 80s.
And vice versa.

If I like hot dogs and you like sushi.... we can mix 'em
and make nobody happy. Except people with no taste at all.

That's who likes Jack. People with no taste at all.

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