The Illusive Obvious!

[Wildstyle K]

This just in from KKFR PD......Don't let me inta my zone !! Don't let me inta my zone!!! That sh%t cray!! that sh%t cray!! :-X

LOL!!  ;D That's Provocative! It gets the people GOING!

Ok, let me stop confusing people more with this stuff. Now a lot of people are going to google "cray" then stumble upon that huge hoax about "Kray" and it will only confuse people more. People are still arguing about it, despite the fact that the hoax creator has publicly come out and announced that "Cray" is not "Kray", and really has nothing to do with the "Kray Twins" who were perpetrators of organised crime in London's East End during the 1950s and 1960s. The song is not THAT deep and provocative. The hoax creator even tricked people to the point where Wikipedia associated Jay-Z & Kanye West's song to the Kray Twins. I even fell for it.

Cray
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdKQqij7lLo&feature=related

http://thatshitcrazykray.tumblr.com/

Cray
http://www.jcolenation.com/forum/f2/ugh-will-cray-kray-debate-stop-already-1953.html

There was even another hoax mentioning that "Cray" was related to "Kreayshawn" in some way, which is also false.



As far as which station is today's version of Power 92 in the later mid 90's, I'd say KZON is the closest. The difference is that todays pop dance artists are the same as the pop and r&b folks, rather than having actual people known strictly for dance (like La Bouche, No Mercy, Livin Joy, Mighty Dub Kats, Amber, Captain Hollywood Project, Max-A-Million...etc. used to be amongst Adina Howard and Skeelo, K7, Montell Jordan, TLC, Will Smith, Aaliyah, Monica...etc.

 

[OneHorseTown]

I just read this entire thread.
Thanks for taking 2 minutes of my life that I can never get back.

 

[DJ_Perry]

I just read this entire thread.
Thanks for taking 2 minutes of my life that I can never get back.

yeah thx KDM, that last post was seriously bad

 

[Wildstyle K]

Sorry KDM,
I wasn't going that deep. I was really only poking fun at Asugeorges comment about DJ RAP TALK. Anyways, I got a good laugh out of it. I think DJ Perry is right, 101.1 congrats to their old school and new school hiphop, but they could go further than that. How about Tribe, De LA SOUL, Jungle Brothers, Boogie Down, and The ULTRAMAGNETIC MCEES BOYEEEE LOL!!

Exactly.  KDM always goes too deep, when it should be KNRJ instead.  Those are classic examples you'll hear on any Old School Rap format.  Do you realize that (with the exception of when I had a mix on that station) they never played any Ice T in rotation?  And the only Sir Mix a Lot they own is Baby Got Back?

And BTW X, they don't say Boyeeee anymore.  It's "Sonnnnn!" now

They also weren't playing KP & Envyi's "Swing my way". I just thought about that yesterday, and unlike Ghosttown Dj's "my boo" which could be considered "not hip hop" because it has r&b vocals on a booty bass beat, KP & Envyi's "swing my way" IS actually popular old school rap/hip hop, and if they're playing other booty bass such as "baby got back", "Da Dip" or "tootsie roll", or "me so horney",..etc., then I don't see why the 1998 hit "swing my way" isn't and wasn't getting any spins (at least that I know of) on a classic hip hop format that went up to the years of 2004 or '05 or so.

 

[DJ_Perry]

those songs are not hip hop. hip hop requires rapping

 

[Wildstyle K]

those songs are not hip hop.  hip hop requires rapping

Which songs did I mention that don't contain any rapping? The only one without rap is "my boo" by Ghosttown Dj's. The rest of them have harder rapping in them than Missy Elliott's "get ur freak on" and Mary J Blige's "family affair", yet both of those r&b songs I'm sure were still played. KP & Envyi's "swing my way" is straight rapping, and even goes harder than "get ur freak on" by Missy Elliott. The only thing different is that the beats are uptempo, but they are still rapping.

 

[2Son]

Not a fan

??? :'( ??? ??? :-X :-X :-X

 

[DJ_Perry]

Not a fan

??? :'( ??? ??? :-X :-X :-X

You gotta understand....KDM feeds off this stuff. He LOVES Urban. Must be an ATL Thang

 

[Wildstyle K]

WHOA........ WHOA!!

Did anybody even notice the following content posted a few weeks earlier?...

I remember the '96-'99 KZZP...that was a GOOD time for the station (IMO).  Of course, I remember KKFR from the early 90's through '97 (especially 95-97) and that was a GREAT time for that station.  Now, I wish they'd just blow up KKFR.  Sure the coverage certainly isn't as good as it once was being that they're on 98.3 now, but they HAD the opportunity to tweak their format with the return of dancier pop songs (since dance was obviously a part of their call letters' heritage), and they totally blew it.

*As for Power 98.3 flipping, the new owners, who should be taking the keys any day, have enough issues with 103.9 to deal with to flip TWO stations right away.

How did my eyes NOT see THAT the first time?



I wonder what 98.3 is going to become IF, or once they flip? What about 103.9? I already figured that some Power 98.3 staff would end up over at KNRJ if KNRJ does what some of us are thinking and expecting them to do now. This probably explains why 99.3 seems to be getting changed rather than Power 98.3 being tweaked back towards a more urban sound. There must be more to the story than meets the eye. If KKFR flips, I wonder if the end result will be;

* Power telling the listeners to move over to 99.3, or

* 99.3 The Beat moving on as a completely different station that seemingly wants nothing to do with Power.

These changes are obviously taking place as they are for specific reasons. It all seems a bit illusive, but it's very obvious that SOMETHING is going on. Does 2012 mean the end of the world for the current KKFR?

 

[Saladressing]

The issue is, what formats besides talk-based/sports-based are even available for 98.3 and 103.9. AAA is a format hole presumably but would probably mainly be salable in the East Valley and probably wouldn't work anyway on limited signals like 98.3 or 103.9. Other than that format, what mainstream formats are even available? Adult CHR? That is splitting hairs and there are already 15 CHRs.

EDIT: Perhaps a Spanish-based format would go on one or both of those frequencies....

103.9 fills a great niche, and it would be odd to say the least to have a market as large as Phoenix - in the SW US no less - without an alternative station. Would be great if 97.5 or 104.3 picked up the format in this case but possibly unlikely. 97.5 could go with the alt. rock format because they are competing with two 100kw stations and 104.3 could do it because of the recent moves with 95.5.

 

[XMportable]

I think 97.5 should go ALT. Rock. However, it would be nice if KWSS could get put on a regular signal. Also, there is a AAA on 91.5 HD2 where they have taken on xponential radio. Most listeners probably not aware because most don't have HD radio and too bad that has failed as a viable FREE option. I would also like to add why do most of the HD stations here in the valley waste their 2nd & 3rd HD signals on the same format? :

 

[2Son]

I think 97.5 should go ALT. Rock. However, it would be nice if KWSS could get put on a regular signal. Also, there is a AAA on 91.5 HD2 where they have taken on xponential radio. Most listeners probably not aware because most don't have HD radio and too bad that has failed as a viable FREE option. I would also like to add why do most of the HD stations here in the valley waste their 2nd & 3rd HD signals on the same format? :

I am definitely a fan of KWSS.

 

[DJ_Perry]

I already figured that some Power 98.3 staff would end up over at KNRJ if KNRJ does what some of us are thinking and expecting them to do now. This probably explains why 99.3 seems to be getting changed rather than Power 98.3 being tweaked back towards a more urban sound.

What are you talking about? The 2 stations have NO relation. I wish you would stop saying 99.3. It's 101.1. The repeaters of KNRJ will not be needed soon. Furthermore, KNRJ has NO Budget. So why would you speculate Power's staff moving there? KNRJ has NO Live shifts. Everything is voicetracked....for very little compensation if any.

 

[Wildstyle K]

I already figured that some Power 98.3 staff would end up over at KNRJ if KNRJ does what some of us are thinking and expecting them to do now. This probably explains why 99.3 seems to be getting changed rather than Power 98.3 being tweaked back towards a more urban sound.

What are you talking about? The 2 stations have NO relation. I wish you would stop saying 99.3. It's 101.1. The repeaters of KNRJ will not be needed soon. Furthermore, KNRJ has NO Budget. So why would you speculate Power's staff moving there? KNRJ has NO Live shifts. Everything is voicetracked....for very little compensation if any.

I notice you keep using the word "furthermore" all the sudden. Have you been listening to a lot of "Stereo Hearts" by Gym Class Heroes?

By the way, every time a rhythmic or top 40 station flipped in Phoenix, part of the staff from the previous station "migrates" to the next familiar format. Its been going on for many years with 103.9, 104.7, 97.5, 104.3, 92.3, 98.3,... and I guess I should add in 95.1 and 101.5....etc. People are always seemingly going from one place to the next as things happen and change. This is why I say that I bet some of the Power staff ends up at The Beat. Its already started happening, and I'm sure that despite the fact that they're voicetracked now, that doesn't mean that couldn't change as changes are made at 99.3 The Beat.

Furthermore (no pun intended), the reason I use 99.3 is because that's the signal most people are currently familiar with (in addition to the fact that that's the frequency the station indicates as being the dominant one. They use "99.3" within their drops and on-air talks as the main signal, then say the other ones as if they're secondary back ups.

I surely hope that when 101.1 gets increased, they stop using "The Beat" since that name does sound funny with numbers like "101.1." Some names and numbers just don't mix.

 

[2Son]

I already figured that some Power 98.3 staff would end up over at KNRJ if KNRJ does what some of us are thinking and expecting them to do now. This probably explains why 99.3 seems to be getting changed rather than Power 98.3 being tweaked back towards a more urban sound.

What are you talking about? The 2 stations have NO relation. I wish you would stop saying 99.3. It's 101.1. The repeaters of KNRJ will not be needed soon. Furthermore, KNRJ has NO Budget. So why would you speculate Power's staff moving there? KNRJ has NO Live shifts. Everything is voicetracked....for very little compensation if any.

Do you know what will become of 99.3?

 

[DJ_Perry]

KDM Likes to debate. I've used that word maybe one other time in this thread (in addition to others) and it has nothing to do with a random song that I don't know the lyrics to.

Tell me who is on The Beat that came from Power? Are you referring to Ramses Ja Rule or Ruben S? Because they were there years ago, but have been with KNRJ quite a while now. Or maybe you're thinking of Big boy! LOL

The TOH station ID only mentions 101.1 now (this is the same when the jocks speak). And they now have quick liners that don't mention ANY frequencies.

2Son, i would imagine it will be up for grabs like the other repeater

 

[Wildstyle K]

Tell me who is on The Beat that came from Power?

Isn't the guy hosting the "St James show" a former member of Power?

And for some reason, I believe if he is who I think he is, he will be making some things happen at KNRJ. I don't think anyone else was able to program a hip hop leaning format as successful or better than he has in Phoenix, and he has a true passion for the music. He even discusses it on KTAR at times and he has way more knowledge than me about the music (although I do tend to study uptempo sounds more, so hip hop isn't necessarily where my expertise is).

If anybody can improve KNRJ, even to the slightest, it has to be "Mr St. James." I believe, however, that the station will end up becoming somewhat rhythmic rather than a straight urban sound. The "Day 'n' Night (Crookers Remix)" that they play indicate that they will use some electro-hip hop, or urban dance sounds. This means the mixshows will also have some modern electro-hip hop, baltimore club music, and of course, bass (or booty bass ) Unlike a straight urban format, I gotta feeling that they'll be including some other Flo Rida hits, along with Pitbull, LMFAO, Black Eyed Peas, maybe Dj Class, and other things of that nature in mix shows at the least. They'll more than likely play the Mike D Bass remix of "no hands" by Waka Flocka as well.

 

[beauduran]

Tell me who is on The Beat that came from Power?

Isn't the guy hosting the "St James show" a former member of Power?

I finally have to wade in here. No, KDM, Bruce St. James has absolutely nothing to do with The Beat. Nada. Zero. Zilch. He is extremely happy (and being well taken care of) doing what he's doing at KTAR. The St. James on The Beat is a kid who came out of one of the radio programs in the valley. Not sure if it was ASU, EVIT, or even the Turntable classes at SCC.

Fred Rico is programming both Mega and The Beat and Ramses is playing a big role in the musical responsibilities. While I can't speak with any direct knowledge of the current situation since I left the building 2 years ago, I can tell you that I would be very very shocked to see this station go full on current anytime soon. There is (or at least WAS) a cluster strategy in place and classic-based hip hop is a much easier combo with Mega than anything current based. Notice I said classic-based. When I designed The Beat 3 1/2 years ago it was a format built to evolve. It is overdue to be evolving, but the recurrents and recent gold are exactly the path it was meant to go down.

 

[Wildstyle K]

Tell me who is on The Beat that came from Power? 

Isn't the guy hosting the "St James show" a former member of Power?

No, KDM, Bruce St. James has absolutely nothing to do with The Beat. Nada. Zero. Zilch. He is extremely happy (and being well taken care of) doing what he's doing at KTAR. The St. James on The Beat is a kid who came out of one of the radio programs in the valley.

Oh, ok. I was wondering. I was trying to make out the sound of the ST James voice on KNRJ and compare it to the kTAR voice and wasn't sure if it was him using a more "street voice" or someone else, hence why I kept saying "St James Show" and avoided saying "Bruce."

This whole thing seems illusive. However, it should've been obvious that it wasn't the "St James" I thought it was.

Well, I guess we'll see what happens next. Like a radio version of MythBusters, all my KNRJ theories have been busted, and debunked even worse than Stephen Hawkings "All Information is Lost in Black Holes" theory was in the physics & astronomy community! (for those interested in the Black Hole Paradox, read more here- http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6151-hawking-cracks-black-hole-paradox.html)

I guess we'll see what happens in 2012. One thing for sure is that the entire format will have to be fined tuned a bit more than it is now.

 

[DJ_Perry]

I don't even know what the "St James show" is. It is no where listed on the website or the Facebook. But then again, they also still have mixshows listed on the website and those are now gone.