The New KCBS TOH Station ID

[Johnnyrockin]

Well, whatever they decide to do for their ID's, they'll always fit them in before the hour. The music bed/ID is fired off by a timer and backtimed to the top of the hour. They sneak it in under their billboard for the top news stories. That's how they did it when I worked there.

 

[BossRadioDJ]

Rather anticlimactic, the crossover this morning to the simulcast...

Journey ("Don't Stop Believing," rather than "Lights"), some stunt-ish stuff (news timeline audio clips), then Stan Bunger sayeth "Well, welcome to FM 106-9, and let's get back to doing what we do here at KCBS."

A time check (7:41) and we now have a KCBS news simulcast at 740 AM and 106.9 FM.

The top of hour ID?

"What's happening, and why. KCBS AM and HD, KFRC-FM and HD-1, San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose."

If your guess for the TOH ID was correct, please stop by the front desk and claim your Doc Herrold bobblehead doll.

 

[oldiesfan6479]

The top of hour ID?
"...KCBS AM and HD, KFRC-FM and HD-1, San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose."
If your guess for the TOH ID was correct, please stop by the front desk and
claim your Doc Herrold bobblehead doll.

Not my guess cause it ain't legal! (I was the "three-hour" ID. ;D)
But then, as Fybush says, Uncle Charlie has yet to spell out how
to correctly ID the HDs along with the analogs.

 

[djj]

I just got home for lunch after taping (via HD radio into SoundForge software) the
KFRC to KCBS transition, which I listened to the first 12-minutes (7:29-7:41)...

An interesting transition, no?...

Utilizing the line from Steve Miller Band's "Fly Like An Eagle":
"Time keeps on slipping into the future" at the start and end, and other music laced inbetween
with those CBS and KCBS News soundbytes...

I suppose it's better than nothing...

And I do wonder what the legality is of that lengthy I.D., also...
--jay

 

[fybush]

The top of hour ID?
"...KCBS AM and HD, KFRC-FM and HD-1, San Francisco, Oakland, San Jose."
If your guess for the TOH ID was correct, please stop by the front desk and
claim your Doc Herrold bobblehead doll.

Not my guess cause it ain't legal! (I was the "three-hour" ID. ;D)
But then, as Fybush says, Uncle Charlie has yet to spell out how
to correctly ID the HDs along with the analogs.

Quite correct - indeed, in my (not a lawyer!) interpretation of the current wording, it would be fine to do "In HD Radio, KCBS and KFRC-FM San Francisco."

OK, OK...if you want to get obsessively particular about it, it should really be "KCBS San Francisco, KFRC-FM San Francisco," but there's a long trail of precedent allowing the "KXXX and KYYY, City of License" formation.

If I were programming the thing, I'd probably have done exactly what they actually ended up doing.

 

[kenrayc]

How about the new bumper stickers and bilboards,will they just say KCBS All News 106.9 FM /740 AM like there logo on there web site.Heres a what if senario,say CBS decides to simicast KNX on KCBS-FM,which could happen,will they call it KNX news radio or KCBS.

 

[djj]

How about the new bumper stickers and bilboards,will they just say KCBS All News 106.9 FM /740 AM like there logo on there web site.Heres a what if senario,say CBS decides to simicast KNX on KCBS-FM,which could happen,will they call it KNX news radio or KCBS.

If that scenario did occur, that IS a good question you pose, especially in TV cycles since
CBS' L.A. TV station changed call letters from KNXT to KCBS-TV sometime in the 1980s!

Theoretically, I believe they can - in this case - re-use KNX-FM, which is what 93.1 signed
on as in the late-1940s, no? Then they can move the KCBS-FM callsign back to the Bay
Area...

If they were smart, they'd keep the historic, successful, three-letter KNX callsign, but...

CBS =
Can't
Broadcast
Smart

--jay ;D

 

[LKellerIII]

How about the new bumper stickers and bilboards,will they just say KCBS All News 106.9 FM /740 AM like there logo on there web site.Heres a what if senario,say CBS decides to simicast KNX on KCBS-FM,which could happen,will they call it KNX news radio or KCBS.

If that scenario did occur, that IS a good question you pose, especially in TV cycles since
CBS' L.A. TV station changed call letters from KNXT to KCBS-TV sometime in the 1980s!

Theoretically, I believe they can - in this case - re-use KNX-FM, which is what 93.1 signed
on as in the late-1940s, no? Then they can move the KCBS-FM callsign back to the Bay
Area...

If they were smart, they'd keep the historic, successful, three-letter KNX callsign, but...

CBS =
Can't
Broadcast
Smart

--jay ;D

A KNX simulcast on KCBS-FM Los Angeles is not a likely scenario. KCBS-FM (Jack-FM) gets much higher ratings than KFRC did, and KNX gets much lower ratings than KCBS-AM. It wouldn't make much sense to kill a format with decent ratings to simulcast a much lower rated station. This would only make sense if CBS decided to flip formats at KFWB, making KNX the only news station in LA. That has been rumored, but I don't think it's likely. What would they do with KFWB - make it yet another talk station?

But if they did simulcast KNX for some strange reason, it would just be like here - "KNX News Radio 1070 AM and 93.1 FM"..except for the top of the hour legal ID.

It's cute to put down CBS radio, and they do seem to be clueless in the Bay Area. But overall, their LA stations do pretty well,

 

[sfradio]

How about the new bumper stickers and bilboards,will they just say KCBS All News 106.9 FM /740 AM like there logo on there web site.Heres a what if senario,say CBS decides to simicast KNX on KCBS-FM,which could happen,will they call it KNX news radio or KCBS.

If that scenario did occur, that IS a good question you pose, especially in TV cycles since
CBS' L.A. TV station changed call letters from KNXT to KCBS-TV sometime in the 1980s!

Theoretically, I believe they can - in this case - re-use KNX-FM, which is what 93.1 signed
on as in the late-1940s, no? Then they can move the KCBS-FM callsign back to the Bay
Area...

If they were smart, they'd keep the historic, successful, three-letter KNX callsign, but...

CBS =
Can't
Broadcast
Smart

--jay ;D

A KNX simulcast on KCBS-FM Los Angeles is not a likely scenario. KCBS-FM (Jack-FM) gets much higher ratings than KFRC did, and KNX gets much lower ratings than KCBS-AM. It wouldn't make much sense to kill a format with decent ratings to simulcast a much lower rated station. This would only make sense if CBS decided to flip formats at KFWB, making KNX the only news station in LA. That has been rumored, but I don't think it's likely. What would they do with KFWB - make it yet another talk station?

But if they did simulcast KNX for some strange reason, it would just be like here - "KNX News Radio 1070 AM and 93.1 FM"..except for the top of the hour legal ID.

It's cute to put down CBS radio, and they do seem to be clueless in the Bay Area. But overall, their LA stations do pretty well,

I could see knx simulcasting on 97.1 in l.a

 

[Mediaace]

Relax bud, figure of speech. Reread the post. I said the **FIRST** week it signed on the air! Yes, I was talking about WOKQ - Dover.

IMHO - If they are smart they be best off to TOH ID's both signals separately. That would limit the 3 hour ID and keep both stations legal in the process while avoiding confusion to new listeners at either frequency.

A similar situation happened 10 years ago in New Hampshire when a powerhouse 50,000 watt country station began a simulcast with a 100,000 watt signal on a mountain covering 5 states and reaching from Montreal to Cape Cod. They also had a translater and the station website also mentioned in there. Was quite hilarious when they ran that the first week.



A 3 hour ID?

And you're referring to WOKQ 97.5 Dover, WPKQ 103.7 Mt Washington and a translator in downtown Manchester.

They run seperate spot breaks and everything.. and everything has to be timed out perfectly!

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

How about the new bumper stickers and bilboards,will they just say KCBS All News 106.9 FM /740 AM like there logo on there web site.Heres a what if senario,say CBS decides to simicast KNX on KCBS-FM,which could happen,will they call it KNX news radio or KCBS.

If that scenario did occur, that IS a good question you pose, especially in TV cycles since
CBS' L.A. TV station changed call letters from KNXT to KCBS-TV sometime in the 1980s!

Theoretically, I believe they can - in this case - re-use KNX-FM, which is what 93.1 signed
on as in the late-1940s, no? Then they can move the KCBS-FM callsign back to the Bay
Area...

If they were smart, they'd keep the historic, successful, three-letter KNX callsign, but...

CBS =
Can't
Broadcast
Smart

--jay ;D

A KNX simulcast on KCBS-FM Los Angeles is not a likely scenario. KCBS-FM (Jack-FM) gets much higher ratings than KFRC did, and KNX gets much lower ratings than KCBS-AM. It wouldn't make much sense to kill a format with decent ratings to simulcast a much lower rated station. This would only make sense if CBS decided to flip formats at KFWB, making KNX the only news station in LA. That has been rumored, but I don't think it's likely. What would they do with KFWB - make it yet another talk station?

But if they did simulcast KNX for some strange reason, it would just be like here - "KNX News Radio 1070 AM and 93.1 FM"..except for the top of the hour legal ID.

It's cute to put down CBS radio, and they do seem to be clueless in the Bay Area. But overall, their LA stations do pretty well,

I could see knx simulcasting on 97.1 in l.a

Never going to happen in Los Angeles. Even with ratings down, KLSX is still making nearly $30 million in billings during a dimming economy. With two all news AM's in Los Angeles, they are right where they are going to stay other than in HD-2 or HD-3 on FM.

 

[DaveBayArea]

Never going to happen in Los Angeles. Even with ratings down, KLSX is still making nearly $30 million in billings during a dimming economy. With two all news AM's in Los Angeles, they are right where they are going to stay other than in HD-2 or HD-3 on FM.

Never say never. Let's see what happens here. With all of the tried-and-failed formats these days, if news works on FM elsewhere I could sure see them trying it in LA. How's KTWV doing? That's still CBS right?

Dave B.

 

[4UH8SIMBKAGN]

Never going to happen in Los Angeles. Even with ratings down, KLSX is still making nearly $30 million in billings during a dimming economy. With two all news AM's in Los Angeles, they are right where they are going to stay other than in HD-2 or HD-3 on FM.

Never say never. Let's see what happens here. With all of the tried-and-failed formats these days, if news works on FM elsewhere I could sure see them trying it in LA. How's KTWV doing? That's still CBS right?

Dave B.

KTWV and KLSX are bringing in the range of $30 million per year. Down, yes. CBS isn't going to throw either station to the wolves in a down economy. If anything, KNX will become the only news station in Los Angeles and the KFWB news format will be thrown to the wolves. KFWB should have gone talk years ago. There isn't going to be a CBS news station on FM in Los Angeles, period. The only FM format holes in Los Angeles are a second CHR to compete with KIIS or a talk station on FM to compete with KFI. News on radio in L.A. has been on the decline for a long time. Soon, Los Angeles will only be able to support one all news station. There's too much local Los Angels tv news to compete (nearly non-stop live from 4:30 AM to Midnight weekdays).