The Party Has Moved!

[CW]

Well, Univision owns The Ennis Tower-which is located east of DT Houston (Where KLTN is Broadcasting). Why don't they have all of its FM stations moved down to this tower-which happens to be the MOST powerful tower in Houston Radio? I think KPTY, KOVE, and KAMA will benefit.

Only KPTY MAY be able to move to it...106.5 cannot move further north because of 106.9...no other Univision FM could move to Ennis St because the tower may not be able to support the additional weight of antenna/feedline, etc and would not give them better but worse coverage overall..IT MAY improve their downtown penetration but thats it...as David and others have said, you just dont MOVE a FM to another tower. It is a long drawn out process having to file and show you CAN move it there without causing issues with cochannel, adjacent channels or IF (channel +/- 10.6 or 10.8MHz) offset channels.
and if that tower ever fell, 102.9 will be screwed..trying to rebuild would be a massive MAYBE with City of Houston... and the FAA as well.....the Ennis tower is somewhat short guyed...and is OLD (at least 40 years if not more)....I wouldnt put anything else on it..

 

[davideduardo]

Woah texmex, chill man. He means when KLOL was rock, their numbers were bigger then they are now. The switch to Hurban/Reggaton/whatever.... was not a good move. Mega has yet to make the kind of money Rock 101 was.

No, I really mean that the last few months of Maga as a reggaeton station had better 12+ numbers than they do today... Today's KLOL is doing vastly better than the dying rock format had done for a decade, I think. Rock KLOL had a 3.5 in Summer 1998, and has a 4.2 12+ for November, 2007... while December, Holiday, and January averaged over 5 in PPM.

 

[AndyWaldrop]

.....the Ennis tower is somewhat short guyed...and is OLD (at least 40 years if not more)....


Well...at least the lower 600 feet is.

 

[CW]

.....the Ennis tower is somewhat short guyed...and is OLD (at least 40 years if not more)....


Well...at least the lower 600 feet is.

Yes, true...the original KNUZ/KQUE FM was 600ft......the added 400ft when they raised 102.9 and lost the superpower level is younger!

 

[JMartin1970]

David are you kidding? Mega is doing much much better with current format versus old Raggaeton format. As you have posted numerous times no one cares about 12+. In the key demo 18-49 Mega is at the top against all competitors. You need to admit they have done an excellent job and stop making it seem they have not. You usually make points that are on the mark and shouldn't slight Mega only because they are not a Univision station.

 

[davideduardo]

David are you kidding? Mega is doing much much better with current format versus old Raggaeton format. As you have posted numerous times no one cares about 12+. In the key demo 18-49 Mega is at the top against all competitors. You need to admit they have done an excellent job and stop making it seem they have not. You usually make points that are on the mark and shouldn't slight Mega only because they are not a Univision station.

Nobody is saying they are not doing quite well, but the target before was 18-34, and they did better in the overall demos in late 2006 through January, when they started moving from english to spanish. In fact, they were in the 4's 18 plus all year last year in PPM.

All I am saying is that they lost all of 2007 while they made the change, but it has worked out as there is a lot of good pop out there right now... Our CHR in PR is #1 after knocking 22 year #1 Salsoul out of first for the first time... its a good time for CHRs.

 

[RADIOGM]

David - 1st of all, we are talking about Houston not PR. Second of all, I think you're going to see Party decimated more by KLOL, The Box, and KRBE with this move. Don't the powers to be of the company realize worse building penetration of the 93.3 SIGNAL in Downtown, SW side, and West side of Houston. Its called working people that listen to the radio at the office. And after all, Houston is still PPM as of this writing. Of course that could change tomorrow.

RGM

 

[mrtexmex2007]

Nobody is saying they are not doing quite well, but the target before was 18-34, and they did better in the overall demos in late 2006 through January, when they started moving from english to spanish. In fact, they were in the 4's 18 plus all year last year in PPM.

All I am saying is that they lost all of 2007 while they made the change, but it has worked out as there is a lot of good pop out there right now... Our CHR in PR is #1 after knocking 22 year #1 Salsoul out of first for the first time... its a good time for CHRs.
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Sl why dont they just go back to their hip-hop and regaton format?

 

[davideduardo]

Nobody is saying they are not doing quite well, but the target before was 18-34, and they did better in the overall demos in late 2006 through January, when they started moving from english to spanish. In fact, they were in the 4's 18 plus all year last year in PPM.

All I am saying is that they lost all of 2007 while they made the change, but it has worked out as there is a lot of good pop out there right now... Our CHR in PR is #1 after knocking 22 year #1 Salsoul out of first for the first time... its a good time for CHRs.

Sl why dont they just go back to their hip-hop and regaton format?
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Probably the more 25-54 approach in Spanish is more salable.

 

[davideduardo]

David - 1st of all, we are talking about Houston not PR. Second of all, I think you're going to see Party decimated more by KLOL, The Box, and KRBE with this move. Don't the powers to be of the company realize worse building penetration of the 93.3 SIGNAL in Downtown, SW side, and West side of Houston. Its called working people that listen to the radio at the office. And after all, Houston is still PPM as of this writing. Of course that could change tomorrow.

RGM

Don't you think the frequency each format is on shows the relative importance each format has? Of course Party is going to be more challenged, which is why it is far more Latin hip hop now.

My point in mentinioning PR is that it is the only place in the US where a Spanish CHR has worked up till now... our KQ 105 has been top 5 for the last several years, but only recently has it moved to #1 because there is a really terrific set of songs, artists and rhythms available in pop music, ranging from alternative to bachata to modern salsa to pop and ballads. To a great extent, as we know, CHRs ride on the product and tend to be very cyclical. At this moment, there is a lot of good stuff, and it can be seen in the results of this kind of station.

PR is not yet PPM, but as market 13, it will be in 2009. So the survey method is irrelevant.

 

[RADIOGM]

Basic rule of radio - YOU CAN'T EVER BE NUMBER 1 WHERE YOU CAN'T BE HEARD!

RGM

 

[hrhwebmaster]

.....the Ennis tower is somewhat short guyed...and is OLD (at least 40 years if not more)....


Well...at least the lower 600 feet is.

Yes, true...the original KNUZ/KQUE FM was 600ft......the added 400ft when they raised 102.9 and lost the superpower level is younger!

215 N. Ennis was the location of the tower for the first FM in Houston which would have been erected in the fall of 1946, starting in September. The newspaper stories did not include any indication of height. That station only lasted until the Spring of 1950.

I do not know where the original KTHT tower was located in 1944 but perhaps at the same location??? When KTHT moved from 1230 to 790 they erected a 4 antenna array on Miller Cut-Off Rd. near the San Jacinto Monument; that was in 1948. Perhaps KNUZ took over the old KTHT-AM site as it took over the old KTHT frequency??? That would have made it logical for KQUE-FM to be located there when it signed on in 1960.

Could the lower portion of this antenna date to 1946 or even 1944??? Would it last that long?

 

[CW]

.....the Ennis tower is somewhat short guyed...and is OLD (at least 40 years if not more)....


Well...at least the lower 600 feet is.

Yes, true...the original KNUZ/KQUE FM was 600ft......the added 400ft when they raised 102.9 and lost the superpower level is younger!

215 N. Ennis was the location of the tower for the first FM in Houston which would have been erected in the fall of 1946, starting in September. The newspaper stories did not include any indication of height. That station only lasted until the Spring of 1950.

I do not know where the original KTHT tower was located in 1944 but perhaps at the same location??? When KTHT moved from 1230 to 790 they erected a 4 antenna array on Miller Cut-Off Rd. near the San Jacinto Monument; that was in 1948. Perhaps KNUZ took over the old KTHT-AM site as it took over the old KTHT frequency??? That would have made it logical for KQUE-FM to be located there when it signed on in 1960.

Could the lower portion of this antenna date to 1946 or even 1944??? Would it last that long?

HMmm possible but I doubt it...The original FM may have been on the old 42-50MHz band...I'll try to dig through some archives and see....though I THINK they were moved off that band soon after WWII ended. I would think they erected a new tower in the mid 60s or so and then extended in the 70s iirc or maybe 80?? when 102.9 went higher and lower (in power; down from the 200+KW ERP)...I can maybe check with Errol Coker and some other old time Houston engineers who may know.

 

[rageradio]

Basic rule of radio - YOU CAN'T EVER BE NUMBER 1 WHERE YOU CAN'T BE HEARD!

RGM

I would think not changing frequencies would be another rule. It seems that no matter how much you announce that a station is moving and to where. Some people STILL dont figure it out.

 

[davideduardo]

HMmm possible but I doubt it...The original FM may have been on the old 42-50MHz band...I'll try to dig through some archives and see....though I THINK they were moved off that band soon after WWII ended.

Try http://www.davidgleason.com/Whites_Complete_Issues.htm and look at the 1946 Stevensons and 1948 Whites listings. The band was moved from 46/47 MHz in 1946, and many stations went on the air in '47 and '48.

 

[davideduardo]

HMmm possible but I doubt it...The original FM may have been on the old 42-50MHz band...I'll try to dig through some archives and see....though I THINK they were moved off that band soon after WWII ended.

Try http://www.davidgleason.com/Whites_Complete_Issues.htm and look at the 1946 Stevensons and 1948 Whites listings. The band was moved from 46/47 MHz in 1946, and many stations went on the air in '47 and '48.

 

[hrhwebmaster]

.....the Ennis tower is somewhat short guyed...and is OLD (at least 40 years if not more)....


Well...at least the lower 600 feet is.

Yes, true...the original KNUZ/KQUE FM was 600ft......the added 400ft when they raised 102.9 and lost the superpower level is younger!

215 N. Ennis was the location of the tower for the first FM in Houston which would have been erected in the fall of 1946, starting in September. The newspaper stories did not include any indication of height. That station only lasted until the Spring of 1950.

I do not know where the original KTHT tower was located in 1944 but perhaps at the same location??? When KTHT moved from 1230 to 790 they erected a 4 antenna array on Miller Cut-Off Rd. near the San Jacinto Monument; that was in 1948. Perhaps KNUZ took over the old KTHT-AM site as it took over the old KTHT frequency??? That would have made it logical for KQUE-FM to be located there when it signed on in 1960.

Could the lower portion of this antenna date to 1946 or even 1944??? Would it last that long?

HMmm possible but I doubt it...The original FM may have been on the old 42-50MHz band...I'll try to dig through some archives and see....though I THINK they were moved off that band soon after WWII ended. I would think they erected a new tower in the mid 60s or so and then extended in the 70s iirc or maybe 80?? when 102.9 went higher and lower (in power; down from the 200+KW ERP)...I can maybe check with Errol Coker and some other old time Houston engineers who may know.

The station was on 98.5 mc and had only 250 watts at sign-on, boosted to 1000 watts 3 months later. Actually, the station signed on with an antenna on top of the Southern Standard Building at 711 Main, but that was only intended to be temporary. So far as I have been able to determine, there was never an FM in Houston that made it on the air in the 42-50 mc band and only one licensed in that band. The band switch took place in late 1945.

(Using mc for megacycles as it would have been referred to then).

EDIT: To clarify what I said above -- the FCC decided on the band switch in late '45, announced in September, I believe, but some stations continued to operate in the lower band for years. This station was authorized for 98.5, license issued in early August, 1946, long after the band switch had been made.

Early developments on FM in Houston:

http://houstonradiohistory.blogspot.com/2007/08/fm-in-houston-early-developments.html

 

[Mediafrog+]

Try http://www.davidgleason.com/Whites_Complete_Issues.htm and look at the 1946 Stevensons and 1948 Whites listings.

David, thanks for those links. Fascinating material to browse through. I got extensive use out of White's Radio Log in the 60's and 70's when it was part of the old "Radio-TV Experimenter" magazine. The format and font style in those days was still the same as the 1948 edition! Great memories.

 

[theradioguy2004]

93.3 use to be a Country station in Beaumont. The city of license is Port Author and the signal of the new party is fantastic here.

 

[TroyG]

93.3 use to be a Country station in Beaumont.

It was KIKR back then, or it was also known as Kicker 93. Not to be confused with KIKK-FM(Now KHJZ), or KIKKers-which is defined as fans of KIKK Radio.