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The sad truth about Air America

Re:Mark - It's me

This is how silly rumors get started.

1. It's me. Michael Doyle.

2. I'm happy with the ratings. I'm even happier with the $$$

3. The realtors sign you see is not on our property. As a matter of fact, WHIC (1460 AM) is moving in. Not moving out. Fybush, check the FCC database. Scott, tell Mark it's me. I talked to you at the NAB about Ben-fm and random radio.

Someone once asked me why I read this board. I find it amazing that people "make stuff" up, post it, and other people think its real. (example-the for sale sign...check your facts young journalists).

The land is not for sale. The sign must be on an adjacent piece of property. We just put in a new transmitter at WROC. You will see ground system work going on soon....
 
Re: WHAT !!!!

> > Wease is the second coming of Jack Slattery.
> >
>
> Not to parrot Lloyd Bensen Bob but I knew and worked with
> Jack Slattery for many years and Brother Wease, who I do
> admire, is no Jack Slattery.

Mark, my friend, consider the whole statement in my first post--"Compared to Lonsberry and Savage, Wease is the second coming of Jack Slattery."

No one is exactly like Jack, he was one of a kind.

But when you compare the broadcasters of today's generation, who's the guy who comes closest to his broad-based appeal, generosity and warmth, not to mention his sincerity?
 
Re:Mark - It's me

> This is how silly rumors get started.
>
> 1. It's me. Michael Doyle.
>
> 2. I'm happy with the ratings. I'm even happier with the
> $$$

I don't blame you because it's a little extra help in holding WHAM down and keeping WBEE #1 in 12+ and 25-54, with the extra increment of national spot business that gets you. Guess it's called cluster management, or alternately, corporate competitive chess.

> 3. The realtors sign you see is not on our property. As a
> matter of fact, WHIC (1460 AM) is moving in. Not moving
> out.

I saw that CP app on the FCCinfo site. How are you guys diplexing the two signals into the three inline towers on the site...and why does WHIC have to reduce its night power when it moves off Winton Road to your site on South Clinton Ave?
 
Re: Okay Mike It's Really You.

> 3. The realtors sign you see is not on our property. As a
> matter of fact, WHIC (1460 AM) is moving in. Not moving
> out. Fybush, check the FCC database. Scott, tell Mark it's
> me. I talked to you at the NAB about Ben-fm and random
> radio.
>
> Someone once asked me why I read this board. I find it
> amazing that people "make stuff" up, post it, and other
> people think its real. (example-the for sale sign...check
> your facts young journalists).
>
> The land is not for sale. The sign must be on an adjacent
> piece of property. We just put in a new transmitter at
> WROC. You will see ground system work going on soon....
>

In all fairness Mike I never wrote that I saw a "For Sale" sign on the property, but a "Realtor's Sign." Big difference! However you might want to double-check where that sign is located because when I was on my way down to the Doctor's office on Senator Keating Blvd, that sign was very close to your transmitter site, which is what prompted me to comment on it.

Best wishes,

M G


P.S. Next time you run into Bill Kidd tell him that he was right about dropping the phrase "Western" from the Country format. I was showing my age there. I actually listened to WBEE a few times and was surprised that the music has indeed changed for the better, especially considering what I remember that format once being back in the 1970s.

He will know what I'm talking about.






<P ID="signature">______________
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on.
I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them".</P>
 
Re: WHAT !!!!

>
> Mark, my friend, consider the whole statement in my first
> post--"Compared to Lonsberry and Savage, Wease is the second
> coming of Jack Slattery."

Per our telephone conversation Tuesday afternoon you known what I was referring too :)

>
> No one is exactly like Jack, he was one of a kind.

Yes he was God bless him. To this day I still miss Jack, George and all of the wonderful people I had the opportunity to work with at WHAM. Eddie Hasbrouck, Walter Dixon just to name a few. Those were some real good times.

>
> But when you compare the broadcasters of today's generation,
> who's the guy who comes closest to his broad-based appeal,
> generosity and warmth, not to mention his sincerity?
>
The answer is simple. ME! :)
<P ID="signature">______________
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted and I won't be laid a hand on.
I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them".</P>
 
Re: And we don't just run AAR

> > Since Wease is a calmer, friendlier and far less strident
> host than Lonsberry or Savage and never resorts to the level
> of personal attack that Lonsberry did against Johnson and
> Michael Savage does against everyone, he's far less of a
> "shock jock" than they. Compared to Lonsberry or Savage,
> Wease is the second coming of Jack Slattery.
>
> Mr. Smith:

You either don't know what you're talking about, despite the fact that you've been in this business for years, or you are a liar!

I have heard Levin call Ann Coulter a (w)itch.

I have heard him say to callers with opposing views, "you're full of crap."

I have also heard him someone have wrote a letter to the D and C's op-ed section with that he didn't like a "******bag."

I could give you more examples, but that would like be wasting my time explaining Einstein's theory of relativity to a dog.

The "second coming of Jack Slattery?"

I've lost what little respect I have for you.

I contributed some material from industry web sites depicting Air America's plight, and you, Dampier, and the like have nothing better to do than to personally attack those with whom you differ and laud those who actions are, at best, questionable.

Did you know that, this morning, your hero talked about the arrest of the musician Yanni on a charge of domestic abuse stemming from an alleged incident with his girlfriend? He follwed his remarks with a clip from one of Yanni's tunes with the sound of a man hitting a woman in the background.

Did you catch that? Or were you too busy doing something else?

This isn't humor.

IT'S MYSOGNYNY!

That's not what Slattery would have done.

Case closed.

P.S.: Lonsberry and Savage are not "shock jocks."

They are talk-show hosts.
 
> Mr. Dampier:

I do not, as you suggest, follow someone blindly.

You don't know me for jack!

Obviously, you see people like me are a threat to you.

TOO BAD!

I used to work in left-wing, I mean, "mainstream" media outlets.

I saw what happened when ideology takes over, or when the boss favors his connection with a prominent person over reportage.

You're an insecure person who's seeing your liberal media monopoly being destroyed by alternative media.

Air America ripped off Gloria Wise.

That's a fact.

Rhodes did a "comedy bit" by suggesting someone bump off W.

That's indisuptable.

But you'll spin everything to make manure smell like marigolds.

I present information from inside the industry, and you attack it simply becuase it's not to your liking!

So don't even suggest that I go to that other forum for political discussion.

I simply presented industry information.

It's you, you punk, who launched into personal attacks, not me.

It's you who should go to the other forum, and leave us who are interested in discussing what's happening in local radio alone!
 
Re: WHAT !!!!

>
> No one is exactly like Jack, he was one of a kind.
>
> But when you compare the broadcasters of today's generation,
> who's the guy who comes closest to his broad-based appeal,
> generosity and warmth, not to mention his sincerity?

Well, ...how about Chet Walker?
>
 
and the point of this string?

um, some facts here:

1. Air America is on WROC, AM 950. They don't get great ratings. Neither did WROC's previous right wing satellite talk. Neither did AM 950 before that when they simulcast the former WBBF-FM. Before that, for several years, they had a decent little share of older demographic listeners...until WLGZ came along.

2. They have a very bad, directional 1000 watt signal. Their owner, Entercom, so far has invested little to no money in promoting the station.

3. Air America's future does not depend on AM 950 in Rochester(though I am sure they want all their affiliates to be succesful). AA has grown from a handful of affiliates two years ago to almost 100.

4. Most of AA's affiliates don't get great ratings(though many do better than WROC), but most americans don't listen to AM. Inferior sound quality - music sounds much better in FM stereo. Most people listen to the radio for music(and maybe some morning chit chat). Thus, most companies are not going to invest money in a local staff to jump start a dead AM(WWKB's 3 yr. experiment with a semi-live Oldies format is a rare exception - and look what happened). AA is a turnkey operation. There are tons of AM stations in the U.S. run as turnkey operations because it doesn't make business sense to do anything else.

4. The United States was founded as marketplace of ideas. Air America has just as much right to exist as right wing talk radio. Anyone who doesn't like opinions that differ from their own - be they from the right, left or middle - all I can say is suck it up - free speech is what this country is all about.

We are currently a highly polarized nation. Millions of Americans disagree with the current conservative administation in Washington(while millions of others support them). AA's founders feel there was an audience for liberal talk. It's their money, they can do what they like with it. Don't like it? TS
 
Re: WHAT !!!!

> > No one is exactly like Jack, he was one of a kind.
>
> Yes he was God bless him. To this day I still miss Jack,
> George and all of the wonderful people I had the opportunity
> to work with at WHAM. Eddie Hasbrouck, Walter Dixon just to
> name a few. Those were some real good times.
>
> > Mark, I used to listen to WHAM while I was in grammar school.

It was a great station back then, with Jack and George, Tom Gallagher, Bill Kimball, David A. Sennett, Ed Hasbrouck, and Mike Morgan.

It was a companion for me, whether it was listening to great music, listening to the fights on the "Opinion" program (most of which a nine-year-old like me couldn;t fathom at that time), or staying up late to hear " CBS Radio Mystery Theater."

You're very fortunate to have worked with legends.

> > But when you compare the broadcasters of today's
> generation .....


Sadly, I don't see anyone in this makret who comes even close.

I respect your views, even though we might disagree from time to time.

As for Dampier and his ilk, they've been conditioned to hate people like me who bring a different perspective to the table.

My experiences in media, whatever they may be, don't sit well with the Dampiers and the Roxalots of the world, so they attck me.

It's nothing new.

I'd love to hear some good stories about your time at WHAM, and hope to have good chats with you soon.

Thanks.

Respectfully,

Bill

P.S.: thanks for clarifying the ratings issue with 950-AM. I'll go back to allaccess.com and see if I can scroll down on the Rochester ratings list.
 
Re: and the point of this string?

> um, some facts here:
>
> 1. Air America is on WROC, AM 950. They don't get great
> ratings. Neither did WROC's previous right wing satellite
> talk. Neither did AM 950 before that when they simulcast
> the former WBBF-FM. Before that, for several years, they
> had a decent little share of older demographic
> listeners...until WLGZ came along.
>
> 2. They have a very bad, directional 1000 watt signal.
> Their owner, Entercom, so far has invested little to no
> money in promoting the station.
>
> 3. Air America's future does not depend on AM 950 in
> Rochester(though I am sure they want all their affiliates to
> be succesful). AA has grown from a handful of affiliates
> two years ago to almost 100.
>
Other radio hosts have attracted bigger affiliate numbers in less time!

Can you say "Michael Savage?"

> 4. Most of AA's affiliates don't get great ratings(though
> many do better than WROC), but most americans don't listen
> to AM. Inferior sound quality - music sounds much better in
> FM stereo. Most people listen to the radio for music(and
> maybe some morning chit chat). Thus, most companies are not
> going to invest money in a local staff to jump start a dead
> AM(WWKB's 3 yr. experiment with a semi-live Oldies format is
> a rare exception - and look what happened). AA is a
> turnkey operation. There are tons of AM stations in the
> U.S. run as turnkey operations because it doesn't make
> business sense to do anything else.
>
What's your pouint?

> 4. The United States was founded as marketplace of ideas.
> Air America has just as much right to exist as right wing
> talk radio. Anyone who doesn't like opinions that differ
> from their own - be they from the right, left or middle -
> all I can say is suck it up - free speech is what this
> country is all about.
>
Great rhetoric!

> We are currently a highly polarized nation. Millions of
> Americans disagree with the current conservative
> administation in Washington(while millions of others support
> them). AA's founders feel there was an audience for
> liberal talk. It's their money, they can do what they like
> with it. Don't like it? TS

Air America isn't getting numbers!

It needs George Soros and the founder of Real Networks, among other rich liberals to pump money it it!

They're not getting their return on investment!

If you don't like it, fold it five ways and shove it!

>
 
Re: and the point of this string?

>
> Air America isn't getting numbers!

Yes, they have numbers - low numbers, but ok for automated am's. And they attract younger demos - which appeals to advertisers. That's why republican run companies like Clear Channel have stations that run AA.
>
> It needs George Soros and the founder of Real Networks,
> among other rich liberals to pump money it it!
>
> They're not getting their return on investment!
>
What is your source on that? Has your source, if you have one, seen their books? Soros and others have a legal right to invest their money in any way they wish. Free enterprise system. I still don't understand your beef. AA is a legitimate company - doing nothing immoral or illegal.

> If you don't like it, fold it five ways and shove it!

Sorry, I have arthritis.
 
Re: WHAT !!!!

> >
> > No one is exactly like Jack, he was one of a kind.
> >
> > But when you compare the broadcasters of today's
> generation,
> > who's the guy who comes closest to his broad-based appeal,
>
> > generosity and warmth, not to mention his sincerity?
>
> Well, ...how about Chet Walker?
> >
>
Actually a point well taken. I have no inside knowledge of this, but you have to wonder how comfortable Chet feels knowing that just two hours after he closes the mike every day at 9, the friendly mood he spent the morning building gets broken and sanity flies out the studio window.
 
Bemused!

> My experiences in media, whatever they may be, don't sit
> well with the Dampiers and the Roxalots of the world, so
> they attck me.

Wow. That's the first - and perhaps only - time that I've been lumped in with Mr. Dampier.

I had to go back to Mr. Franklin's first appearance on this board to figure out what led him to the startling conclusion that I was in sympathy with Mr. D.

About all I can think of is that I took him to task for complaining that he couldn't get a radio job because of some vast, left-wing conspiracy.

Puh-lease. Being passed over in Corning because the PD there preferred somebody local put an end to your radio career? Now, that's tenacity for you.

As far as your experiences in media are concerned, your own statements indicate YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. Observing the media, yes. IN the media? Not from what you've told us so far.

Maybe you see this board as your entree into the radio world. Well, good luck with that. I'm sure I'll tune you in as often as I tune in Bauerle, Beach, Limbaugh, Rhodes, Franken, and Schultz.
 
On the 950 site...

> I saw that CP app on the FCCinfo site. How are you guys
> diplexing the two signals into the three inline towers on
> the site...and why does WHIC have to reduce its night power
> when it moves off Winton Road to your site on South Clinton
> Ave?

I haven't seen all the engineering work on the WHIC/WROC diplex yet, but if it's done the way they're generally done, 1460 will have its own phasor and transmission lines completely separate from the 950 plant. At the base of each of the three towers WHIC will use, there'll be a combiner/filter network that will combine the 1460 signal with 950's into the tower while preventing the 950 signal from feeding back into the 1460 transmitter and vice-versa. Not as good, for 1460, as designing their own antenna system from scratch, but a lot better than going silent or being forced to go to a non-directional last-ditch antenna that would effectively make the thing a daytimer.

The "reduced power" from the new site is largely a figment of changes in the FCC's AM engineering rules. Back in the day, stations couldn't pick and choose power levels. If you didn't fit with 5 kW, the next step down was 1 kW (later 2.5 kW), and if you didn't fit with 1000 watts, the next step down was 500. So you had a lot of stations that were tight squeezes at 5 kW getting licensed with 5000 watts, but deliberately using relatively inefficient antennas (even, in some cases, putting resistors across the antenna input) to lower field strengths enough to make the spacing work. It was still an improvement over going all the way down to a kilowatt.

You don't have to play those games anymore - and the WROC towers are more efficient at 1460 than the existing Winton Road towers, so WHIC will put out a "real" 3400 watts or whatever when it moves. The actual field strengths will be essentially unchanged, and 1460 will see some real improvement by moving to a site where the ground system still exists, and hasn't been dug up for an office park.

Speaking of which - the realtor sign next to the 950 site is, if I'm not mistaken, for the plot of land behind the towers, which is being converted from farmland to offices. The sign's on that little road just south of 390 that runs alongside the 950 site and back to the land in question...which was once the WVET 1280 site, many decades ago. I was told by someone who used to work for 950 that the ruins of the original WVET transmitter building were in the woods somewhere back there, but I've never found them myself.<P ID="signature">______________
Tower Site Calendar 2006 ON SALE! - <a target="_blank" href=http://www.fybush.com/nerw.html#calendar>www.fybush.com</a></P>
 
> I used to work in left-wing, I mean, "mainstream" media
> outlets.

Mr. Spock said it best:

Then swiftly be gone, leaving bitter dregs. Ahh-ah-ah-ah, bitter dregs.

We have our very own Bernie Goldberg in here. Your career baggage is for USAir, not for this forum.

> You're an insecure person who's seeing your liberal media
> monopoly being destroyed by alternative media.

Yeah, I'm the insecure one.

> Air America ripped off Gloria Wise.
>
> That's a fact.

No, it's not. "Truthiness" only works when you write to people who don't know what is going on. Gloria Wise did business with the former CEO of Air America, who has been gone from the company for well over a year. In fact, he was gone within the first quarter.

> Rhodes did a "comedy bit" by suggesting someone bump off W.
>
> That's indisuptable.

Actually the bit wasn't by Randi Rhodes. It was done by a staff member and was a skit on what could happen if you take away benefits from angry old people. There was no suggestion that anyone bump off Bush. I know because I heard it. You obviously didn't.

> But you'll spin everything to make manure smell like
> marigolds.

Facts burn, don't they.

> I present information from inside the industry, and you
> attack it simply becuase it's not to your liking!

You present opinions, frequently inaccurate, from people who generally -used- to be employed in the industry and are now, like yourself, tapping on the window from the outside looking in. Tap... tap... tap....

> I simply presented industry information.

Is that what they're calling it.

> It's you who should go to the other forum, and leave us who
> are interested in discussing what's happening in local radio
> alone!

It's rough when someone calls you on inaccuracy. You can call me whatever you like - it's a nice shiny key wave to distract from the debunking of your "factoids."
 
Re: And we don't just run AAR

> I have heard Levin call Ann Coulter a (w)itch.

NO! OHMYGOD. Who isn't calling Coulter a witch?

> I've lost what little respect I have for you.

I'm sure Bob is crushed.

> I contributed some material from industry web sites
> depicting Air America's plight, and you, Dampier, and the
> like have nothing better to do than to personally attack
> those with whom you differ and laud those who actions are,
> at best, questionable.

You contributed opinion not from an industry website but from a blogger, an unemployed former right wing talk show host with an agenda. You need to reread your original post. Your link was to a site on blogspot, which is sort of a clue that it is, in fact, a BLOG.

> This isn't humor.
>
> IT'S MYSOGNYNY!

AIGH!!!!!
 
Re: WHAT !!!!

> It was a companion for me, whether it was listening to great
> music, listening to the fights on the "Opinion" program
> (most of which a nine-year-old like me couldn;t fathom at
> that time), or staying up late to hear " CBS Radio Mystery
> Theater."
>
> You're very fortunate to have worked with legends.

Jack Kinicutt's "legend" status was sort of tarnished when he returned to the airwaves post-Fairness Doctrine repeal and started making comments about how AIDS was likely spread by insects and also spent an inordinate amount of time gay bashing. Jack went buh bye and we got Bob Lonsberry instead.

The Radio Mystery Theater was radio that just isn't done commercially in the el-cheapo commercial radio industry anymore, and that's too bad.

> As for Dampier and his ilk, they've been conditioned to hate
> people like me who bring a different perspective to the
> table.

You make a lot of assumptions about who I am supposed to hate. I don't hate anyone on a forum. In fact, I'm glad you're here. Post more... please.

> My experiences in media, whatever they may be, don't sit
> well with the Dampiers and the Roxalots of the world, so
> they attck me.
>
> It's nothing new.

Like Madge, you are soaking in your own persecution complex.
 
Re: Bemused!

> Wow. That's the first - and perhaps only - time that I've
> been lumped in with Mr. Dampier.

You know you worship me. :)

> I had to go back to Mr. Franklin's first appearance on this
> board to figure out what led him to the startling conclusion
> that I was in sympathy with Mr. D.

Maybe it's a conspiracy.
 
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