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Philip_Airtime said:
bbb said:
DJ Hukhers Roll Call said:
bbb said:
Can somebody tell me how Schopp and the Bulldog get so much time off? Who knows who is going to be on today, but Bulldog was off yesterday, Schopp was off last week for at least a day.

They are constantly having these one off day offs. But, then they get more vacation and seemingly sick time than I take in five years.

It's unbelievable actually! Howard Simon has a ton of vacation as well. Any idea on how much these guys make per year? I've never been in the radio industry, just an observer/fan and am curious. Seems like a great gig!

It must be the standard in the radio business, because I thought I was the only one who has never been in the business (just a radio junkie) who posts on this board............BTW, Bulldog was off again yesterday. I would not be surprised if they haven't gone a full week in 2013 with them both being on together. And, it's not even vacation time yet.

Why are you so obssessed with this? Understand that these guys work six day weeks -- sometimes seven days -- during football season. From training camp in July to the holidays, they're lucky to get one day off a week. I kind of think it's unfair to criticize them for taking time off now. And it's really offensive to question someone who calls in sick. Their time off is between them and their employer and is frankly none of our business.

It's none of my business as a listener? Are you kidding me? I don't care if some guy in sales has all these days off, but as the product, they are what I'm there for.

I am actually a fan of the show, but only when they are together. I don't like listening to either one doing it solo............So, when I turn into the show to hear the Schopp AND the Bulldog show that is what I want to hear. Not play a game of Schopp OR the Bulldog, which one is it today??.......I would think the station manager or whoever likes them together, too, or why not just make it a solo show and save the extra money?

I wouldn't question an occasional day off or week off sick, but each one of them must easily be off a full 6-7 weeks out of the year. So, that is 1/4 of the year, that it's not Schopp and the Bulldog. (It's probably the same in the morning, but I don't listen to that show).
 
PS As soon as I realize that it's one and not both of them on today, I turn the show off for the rest of the day.
 
And, this quote "From training camp in July to the holidays, they're lucky to get one day off a week" is so far off, it's laughable. They take plenty of days off between July and January, as well.
 
an honest observation: think philip airtime and bbb - have the unique sensation
of both being right... whereas, p_a does a valid point the workplace for
well, anyone is between employer and boss as far as attendance policy...

however, I agree MORE with b.cubed/ when I tune into ...something,
not just in this case, wgr . . .but when I want to hear that
certain segment/on-air takent/etc
example: 9am friday to hear pro football talk and
its a segment/interview with a musician only to find
6 minutes later, best of 'shredd and ragan'

The FRUSTRATING part when it is any old friday...
nit black friday/ fri. dec25, etc..
 
bbb said:
And, this quote "From training camp in July to the holidays, they're lucky to get one day off a week" is so far off, it's laughable. They take plenty of days off between July and January, as well.

I thought about this and KNOW that Bulldog at least took a full week off during football season. I remember his "comeback day" was for the postgame show (which if I remember correctly he took off the previous week - I'm pretty sure he had off from a Friday until the next Sunday - during football season. And, then I believe Mike took off starting the next day).
 
Scheduling air talent for a news or sports talk radio station can be difficult. Vacation schedules, comp-time, personal time, sick days and holidays can complicate matters more than most listeners (and even air talent) can imagine. I can sympathize with the perspective of posters who want continuity when they listen, but having played the role of scheduler, regular air talent and fill-in guy, I know first hand that PDs often perform Chinese Algebra when it comes to scheduling, especially when an air staff has been in place for years and accrued vacation time can total four weeks (or more) per person.

Most radio stations employ policies that prohibit air talent from taking vacation during the Spring and Fall rating periods. That's about 24 weeks when no vacation time can be taken. As a result, when the book ends, there's a mad dash for vacation, for which paperwork is submitted months in advance.

Other corporate policies may restrict vacation periods to no longer than one week's duration, which leads to staff members with seniority scheduling their week before or after a holiday to lengthen their vacation week. The 4th of July and Labor Day are favorites of most seasoned jocks and talk hosts, and the time is coveted. Legacy talent know how to "work" the holiday + vacation week scheduling game.

Companies, managers and PDs have been known to require full time personnel to submit vacation requests in January for the entire year, but when a major news or sports story such as a coaching change or big political story breaks, the predetermined vacation schedule is thrown into disarray. I suspect that when the Bills made a coaching change and WGR went wall-to-wall, a situation was created that required the "A" players to work through a weekend and put in many extra hours for which the company offered comp-time off because overtime pay was not an option. Budgets rule.

Seniority and egos sometimes create an interesting scrum, requiring the PD and OM to play referee. It can be a thankless job mediating the "I submitted my paperwork first" or "my mother's visiting that week and I really need it off" or "my wife's vacation week was changed, so I need to change mine" disputes, but that's why PDs and OMs get the big bucks.

It's a double edged sword. Bench players need the playing time in order to stay sharp and improve. And there are some bench players that some listeners actually enjoy as much or more than hearing the "A" players; we're all creatures of habit. Radio (especially talk radio) lends itself to creating and reinforcing habits, whether it's NPR, WGR or WBEN or our favorite hot rockin' boss jock.
 
Thanks, JPB for your insights. I really like what you said here:

"we're all creatures of habit. Radio (especially talk radio) lends itself to creating and reinforcing habits, whether it's NPR, WGR or WBEN or our favorite hot rockin' boss jock."

Like I said, I'm not in the business, and never took a mass communications course. But, I am definitely a radio junkie. I hardly ever watch TV, because I'm constantly working at my computer (which I'm sure explains some of my annoyance with all the time off), or driving, etc. Even going to sleep with it on!

So, my experience is that you really want that habit thing. It's comforting or something hearing that intro music to your favorite shows or bumper music or catch phrase, etc.

I don't know when exactly the Fall book is but I do know for a fact that Bulldog and I think Mike took a week-10 days off during football season. I know Bulldog gets 4 weeks and maybe Mike is up to that, or maybe Bulldog even gets more now (they talked about it on air a few years ago).

I think I'm fine with weeks in the summer, and all that, but today Bulldog took off again, making it still not one week this year that they were together for the whole thing. As RBO said, it's those days that are more frustrating if you're looking forward to a show, and then it's not really there.

I actually think that both of them should take the same days and weeks off. Then it would actually be the S&B show for 10 1/2 months out of the year, instead of 8-9 months out of the year............Somebody else must think they're better together or else I don't think they'd be together for so long.
 
bbb:

different strokes for diff. folks....
if a listener "cant stand" one or the other host...
then both gone would be a best of show?
a fill in...? and like this sentence already tuned out lol

one might say having one is 'half as good'

-another reason,
maybe for billing ...if they took vaca at the same time,
just speculation, but billing rates may be affected/adjusted...
 
Yeah, but the show isn't good enough to be half as good. I don't know. There's some method to what they're doing because now today Schopp was off.............I honestly just don't know people who get this much time off. The four weeks of vacation, yeah. But, these days off - I can't imagine being in a more 9-5ish job and taking at least one day off every two weeks.

The weeks off - they announce in advance. The days off - it's usually a surprise.
 
Shredd and Ragan always take vacation at the same time.

I agree with bbb but totally understand why Schopp and Bulldog have different schedules.

But to let them both fly solo when the other is off... why not give Coach Sal the chance to co-host?
 
GeorgeKramer said:
Shredd and Ragan always take vacation at the same time.

I agree with bbb but totally understand why Schopp and Bulldog have different schedules.

But to let them both fly solo when the other is off... why not give Coach Sal the chance to co-host?

S&R have the right idea then. If you're really a team, then be a team for the most time that you can out of the year.

Schopp is off this week, taking the suspense out of who will and what day will one of them be off............I haven't listened that much, but when I have Bulldog sounds fine when he's interviewing Paul Hamilton and when Sully was on on Monday........But, when he just has a segment to fill by himself, things just bog down, IMO.
 
So, has anybody listened to the third sports station? Any thoughts about Sports Radio 1270 The Fan?
 
benale said:
Enough sports! I miss Swing 1270!!
I'm guessing you're in "2 share company," which is pretty good company, albeit 60+. We wonder why WECK doesn't embrace the Swing format. It may be "no changes are forthcoming" because the station is officially on the block. Here's the rub: a Swing format would almost certainly bill more than the present WECK format. The sale price of a radio station is predicated in large part on billing. There's a void in the market for Standards and Oldies. A format change seems like a no-brainer. That said, a prospective buyer looks at WECK and thinks, "What can I do with this facility to create and sustain cash flow?" What happens in two to five years? If the station is valued at eight times cash flow, that's eight years of ownership in order to break even, maybe six years if the new owner is smarter, more aggressive and more efficient. Who's going to buy an AM station five to ten years from now? What's the exit strategy? Standards and Oldies appear to be an attractive format today, but let's say WECK goes Standards and pulls an amazing 3 share? It's possible. There's Entercom, across the street with a 50 kw AM station that's straining to do a 1 share, while a 1 kw teapot and translator pull a 3 share and respectable billing. Entercom could easily put Standards on KB and an HD channel of Star or Kiss. Poof goes WECK. Then what?
 
back to bbb and a 9-5 comparison

A few things...ps the black and white type hints there
is an attitude there is not, ok here we go:

in this day and age, blah blah..there isn't as much
as emphasis on a 9-5 job..as people are on call,
work from home , etc... so a traditional 9-5 is not
what it once was... and with that said, it is STILL
the best hours to have..
With my healthcare employment position, I am given aLot of
time off to avoid stress and burnout..with that said, I am
expected to do my job to the max. when I am clocked in...
either staying late ...going to the hospital etc
IN RADIO: the Talent doesnt show up at 1:57pm,
" clock IN" for a 2pm shift..and leave at 6:03pm,
(unless it is a wjjL or very small station)....

they may have voice work to do, ( which they are
generously compensated for) and/or station work
or responsibility at another station in the cluster...

so, as a 9-5 job is traditional and with the BEST hours
if thats what you like.. pursue that. if radio is
your passion, the long hours and hard work will
keep u there...if you are "good enough" the station
will do what they can to KEEP you there..

compared to a 9-5 job, try going in and demanding
stuff..you may be fired!
BUT say you are a Certified - --something or other
and you INFORM your boss IM the only one you
have to install the new software system, or
whatever have you have that possess a unique talent..
(see phrase over a barrel ) but it applies....

does that clear it up a little?
 
Now I wish Schopp and the Bulldog would both taking every day off for weeks leading up to the NHL trade deadline. Man, that is so boring.

Today, UB basketball gets one of the biggest names in college basketball history as their coach, and they would mention it, and then dive back right into callers - all about whether the Sabres should trade Vanek.

I really care what Chuck from Cheektowaga and Tony from Tonawanda think about this? And, it goes on every year and whatever names they dedicate a whole show to - whether incoming or outgoing players - they never friggin are the ones who are actually traded.

It is the biggest waste of time every year on the radio.........When the rest of the country is probably talking about March Madness, the Heat streak and would be talking about Hurley if he was coming to their hometown.
 
side note:
funny, the heat is only team get props on
their streak... pitt-pen has a +13 winning streak,
and a few nba.teams (slips who) has put together
a number of wins, and the problem is
ESPN only talks about..the heat, yankees,
the jets (greenie) and lakers...

thought with a 2nd station, and as this forum says a third station lol...
would branch out to more sports coverage
 
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