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WBFO wants to be Buffalo's "news leader."

The point is that it doesn't run in the typical NPR timeslot. WNYPB has a habit of moving both NPR and PBS content to odd timeslots or ignoring some great shows altogether.
Most of these shows are archived and can be listened to at any time. On Point with Tom Ashbrook was an excellent show and a cornerstone. It's unfortunate he derailed his career.

Some people here are complaining about WBFO and the perceived lack of local coverage. More local content would disrupt the other national shows. Public Radio stations around the country all have different schedules anyway...
 
Most of these shows are archived and can be listened to at any time. On Point with Tom Ashbrook was an excellent show and a cornerstone. It's unfortunate he derailed his career.

Some people here are complaining about WBFO and the perceived lack of local coverage. More local content would disrupt the other national shows. Public Radio stations around the country all have different schedules anyway...
Local news content as it was done previously would cause very little disruption in NPR programming. Compelling local content would be a better alternative than some of the shows offered by both NPR and other programming providers, but I don't see the resources being available for more longer-form programming beyond "Buffalo-What's Next." Even that seems like it's on the shelf at this point, running repeats instead of new content.
 
I also don't understand why Fresh Air, created by former WBFO alumna Terry Gross, has been relegated to 10 PM. It's always been a popular program here. It seems to me like it would get a lot more pledge money at 7 PM than The Capitol Pressroom or the audio from the PBS Newshour.
Because there isn't a single person there that knows how to run a radio station.
 
Because there isn't a single person there that knows how to run a radio station.

Actually there is, but he's pre-occupied running the company.

I don't know if anyone here has ever worked for a radio station that was co-owned with TV. It's not done much anymore because those companies have mostly sold their radio stations. I worked for one of them, and I can tell you that radio always got the smallest part of the budget, and the least amount of attention.
 
About WBFO... Many thumbs up to them for their collaboration with Niagara University to produce the radio play of "It's A Wonderful Life" the past two weekends (and this coming weekend). I have no idea about ratings and such, but I am among many that hope to see (hear) more of this type of 'special event' programming.
 
You misread my post. You do blind recruiting to find listeners or past listeners. However, you don't tell them that the project is being paid for by WBFO nor do you insert biasing comments in the recruit language.

Once you find WBFO listeners, you then recruit them for the focus group.

Beyond that, focus groups are a miserable method for finding out what listeners want as they are always influenced by the other participants. This kind of project is best done with one-on-ones.
Somehow I can see and agree with both sides of this. In the case of WBFO they are trying to serve listeners better who already listen to the station to encourage longer listening. They aren't looking for the average WBEN listener.

As for research, I don't believe the best programming comes from research. The average listener doesn't know what they want but they do recognize something they like when they hear it.
 
Actually there is, but he's pre-occupied running the company.

I don't know if anyone here has ever worked for a radio station that was co-owned with TV. It's not done much anymore because those companies have mostly sold their radio stations. I worked for one of them, and I can tell you that radio always got the smallest part of the budget, and the least amount of attention.
I had the opportunity to work for not one but two TV-FM-AM combøs in the same city. The good thing was there was always something interesting going on. I could go down to TV and watch a local newscast etc. I found the TV folks interesting. Although the mediums are a bit different there was a common bond and professional courtesy.

As for budget I would think a network TV affiliate brings in more money than radio. I also believe the order of attention at one station was in this order TV-AM-FM while the other was the more typical TV-FM-AM. Sometimes bigger budget leads to not only more attention but also more scrutiny.
 
Somehow I can see and agree with both sides of this. In the case of WBFO they are trying to serve listeners better who already listen to the station to encourage longer listening. They aren't looking for the average WBEN listener.
And that would be the first recruiting questions:

1. Please name the radio stations you listen to, starting with your "favorite" or most listened to statioin.
2. If not included WBFO terminate
3. How many hours a day do you listen to (favorite, then #2 and #3 favorites)
4. If Not WBFO at least 10 hours a week terminate
5. Additional questions on demographics, etc.
As for research, I don't believe the best programming comes from research. The average listener doesn't know what they want but they do recognize something they like when they hear it.
And good research asks what people listen to and do. Just like you can't research new record releases, you can't research prototypes.
 
BTW that's not unique to CPB. Most of the major radio companies, in fact most major companies in any business, have similar requirements based on federal laws and experiences the companies have had with employee lawsuits. Which is why when politicians talk about eliminating these laws, they're unwittingly opening the door for major litigation.
Yes outside of radio I worked for more than one large company that had both sexual harassment training but also ethics training. Every single year!
 
Yes outside of radio I worked for more than one large company that had both sexual harassment training but also ethics training. Every single year!

As one community member reminded me when i was talking her about "the sexual harassment training the CPB requires i take with a staff of 1 1/2" .... the community members husband piped up with "prevention paul, prevention"
 
As one community member reminded me when i was talking her about "the sexual harassment training the CPB requires i take with a staff of 1 1/2" .... the community members husband piped up with "prevention paul, prevention"
Do you have to watch videos or what? I‘ve heard that Phil Hendrie does some training videos, but it seems like they’re just for information security:
 
The average listener doesn't know what they want but they do recognize something they like when they hear it.

This is nonsense. Public radio news consumers are more astute than your average nightly news watcher. What they want is a mix of national and local news. At WBFO that used to be about a 70/30 mix in any given hour. Now it’s more like 95/5. They want regular, well-produced radio reports from experienced journalists. BFO now is staffed by a bunch of kids. Other than Jay Moran there are no veteran news people left. The rare times I do hear local news it’s typically a reader citing another outlet as the source. Some of what I hear in top of hour newscasts is worth no more than a blurb in the local Bee. The assumption that pub radio listeners don’t want the bread and butter news of the day that you get in the first 5-10 minutes of an average local TV newscast is a total fallacy. The people who run public radio stations need to overcome those snooty preconceived notions. Listeners want that AND the more in-depth stuff. Good newsrooms do both.
 
This is nonsense. Public radio news consumers are more astute than your average nightly news watcher. What they want is a mix of national and local news. At WBFO that used to be about a 70/30 mix in any given hour. Now it’s more like 95/5. They want regular, well-produced radio reports from experienced journalists. BFO now is staffed by a bunch of kids. Other than Jay Moran there are no veteran news people left. The rare times I do hear local news it’s typically a reader citing another outlet as the source. Some of what I hear in top of hour newscasts is worth no more than a blurb in the local Bee. The assumption that pub radio listeners don’t want the bread and butter news of the day that you get in the first 5-10 minutes of an average local TV newscast is a total fallacy. The people who run public radio stations need to overcome those snooty preconceived notions. Listeners want that AND the more in-depth stuff. Good newsrooms do both.
Bravo! I’m so glad that there’s someone on this board who echoes what I’ve been arguing for the last year-and-half. Newsradioguy is spot on!

Listen, there are some good things happening at WBFO. The radio production of “It’s A Wonderful Life” was certainly worthy of praise. I heard a couple of nice holiday-related features. But for the most part, I really wonder if those in charge of WBFO know what they’re doing. The latest example! I was listening in my car a couple of weeks ago. At 12:01pm, during 1A, I heard what I presumed was a recorded newscast from Jay Moran. Fine! Bringing back a local presence during the noon hour is commendable. The programmers, however, botched the execution. The local newscast at 12:01 pre-empted the most important stories of the day from NPR News. Then, at 12:04, the NPR newscast is picked up in progress. A disembodied voice, with no identification, begins reading national news of lesser importance. Then there’s 30 seconds of fill music at 12:06, followed by the start of the 1A discussion. The way it should work is you begin with NPR News at 12:01. Then you provide the local newscast at 12:04. Finally, you join 1A at 12:30:30. You might accuse me of quibbling, BUT THAT’S THE WAY IT’S DONE AT EVERY PUBLIC RADIO NEWS STATION THAT PROVIDES LOCAL NEWS! Sorry for shouting. But it needs to be said! And I agree with every single point Radionewsguy outlined in his post.

indeed, I will go to my grave arguing you CAN cover the top local stories of the day while doing in-depth reporting. I did it for 18 years from 1992 through 2010. For half that time, we had a full-time reporting staff of two, including me. We got that up to three in the 2000s. That, combined with help from quality hosts and some talented part-timers and interns, resulted in WBFO earning more statewide AP awards, including two grand prizes, during that period of time than WBEN and WNED-AM. I point this out, not to brag, but to show what can be done when you put your mind to it and with the help of talented staff. And I will acknowledge the WBFO newsroom became even better after I left full-time employment under the direction of Eileen Buckley, Jim Ranney and Brian Meyer, winning even more awards!

But it all came crashing down in April 2022 when management began its gutting of the WBFO news department. I realize I’m making the same arguments I’ve made plenty of times in past threads. Apologists will argue management felt it was important to go “in another direction.” And, admittedly, the ratings have stabilized in the 3 to 3.5 share range, which isn’t bad for a public radio station. Still, one wonders if WBFO would be seriously challenging WBEN with a 5 or more share if management hadn’t decimated its news product to such a degree.
 
At WBFO that used to be about a 70/30 mix in any given hour. Now it’s more like 95/5. They want regular, well-produced radio reports from experienced journalists. BFO now is staffed by a bunch of kids.

How did you arrive at that 95/5 number? Maybe you can be specific. Morning Edition and All Things Considered are still locally hosted with local information at the cutaways. That hasn't changed. What they have done is reassigned their reporting staff from doing short reports to a daily one-hour local documentary. That's a major shift, but it was done to address a major shooting event that hit the city of Buffalo. You say you want "good in-depth reporting," and that's now available. As for your comment that it's "staffed by a bunch of kids," that's insulting and discriminatory. Several of the experienced journalists were past retirement age. As I recall one was having major health problems. It's their right to retire. You make it sound like people should work forever.
But it all came crashing down in April 2022 when management began its gutting of the WBFO news department.

What happened in May 2022? Do you remember? People may want to overlook things like that because it didn't effect them personally. That's not how public media works. It covers the stories that others don't.

But the main issue is funding. I've said this before. You and others want more news coverage. But funding for public media all over the country has fallen. That's membership support, corporate support, endowment support, and elsewhere. NPR itself had to lay off staff last year. What makes you think WBFO is immune from the funding issues that is hurting public media nationally?
 
How did you arrive at that 95/5 number? Maybe you can be specific. Morning Edition and All Things Considered are still locally hosted with local information at the cutaways. That hasn't changed. What they have done is reassigned their reporting staff from doing short reports to a daily one-hour local documentary.
There's a lot of room between five minute newscasts and a one hour daily presentation. If you actually listened to that daily hour (now endlessly in repeats) you'd find that there was a LOT of repetition. The current state of the listener's attention span doesn't make one hour programs on the same topic effective. Even the Sunday TV news and politics TV shows don't do that. Podcasting has also learned that lesson well.

Adding a discussion as part of a long form program that dealt with more than one issue would have been a lot more effective and reached a lot more listeners. Maintaining their local news component would likely have had a much more positive impact on both ratings and revenue. It didn't have to be an either/or situation. There are a lot more issues that also deserve airtime in WNY.
 
There's a lot of room between five minute newscasts and a one hour daily presentation. If you actually listened to that daily hour (now endlessly in repeats) you'd find that there was a LOT of repetition.

There's also a lot of repetition in hourly news coverage. Just because there's a live person reading it doesn't mean the news is different. If you listen to all-news stations (there isn't one in Buffalo) you'll hear the amount of repetition in any given hour. That's how the news works. There's a clock and you recycle stories throughout the day.

Maintaining their local news component would likely have had a much more positive impact on both ratings and revenue. It didn't have to be an either/or situation. There are a lot more issues that also deserve airtime in WNY.

Maybe. That's an editorial decision and a funding decision. Adding more news means adding more to the budget, and as I said, public media budgets have been cut nationally. People want more news, and they don't want to pay for it. That's an impossible situation.
 
As for research, I don't believe the best programming comes from research. The average listener doesn't know what they want but they do recognize something they like when they hear it.

Bullshite.

Sometimes the listener may not realize what they want until they hear it.

Musically, listeners will say they want variety... but play some stiffs....... then theyll say they wanna hear stuff they know and like. I can prove that by the requests I get at KSKO for songs every day.

As for news.... thats why public radio, i think, especially the news is becoming increasingly popular.. listeners know theyll get longer form, in depth stories from public radio.

Sometimes.... a public station will devote entire newscasts to one story.

And yeah, i doubt mainly whod listen to public radio are tuned into WBEN too.

Sometimes theres a tiny bit of cross over between a more conservative commercial talker and NPR IF that conservative talker has several local programs... sometimes theres cross over. We have it here, but we're a special case.

Not many in my audience are getting their long form news anaylsis from NPR... fox.. ahem.. but they listen to KSKO for local stuff
 
If anybody here can proper and accurately assess the decline of WBFO's news efforts over the past few years, that would be Mark1981. I wholeheartedly concur with his assessment. WBFO is a fading shadow of what it once was. We can discuss "decreased funding" and "thinning membership," but that would be like the old conundrum, "What came first, the chicken or the egg?"

NPR and WBFO listeners are highly discerning. They "know" what they hear. And yes, NPR listeners trend very upper-demo. Old. Abd NPR and its affiliates are working hard to reach younger demos. All this is understood, and not open to debate, yet it seems WBFO has thrown the baby out with the bath water. About three weeks ago, I had a casual conversation with a woman who is known to be a long time, dedicated WBFO "member." We weren't talking about. We were talking about politics, governance and the Supreme Court in particular. I offered that I'd heard a good NPR report on the topic we were discussing. I was visibly surprised when she coldly said, "I've stopped listening." If this particular woman stopped listening (to the extent "stopped listening" can be qualified ... I wonder if she "ceased and desisted" entirely), she also stopped contributing. If this woman is at all representative of a dissatisfied WBFO listener-membership base ... there's serious trouble afoot.
 
There's also a lot of repetition in hourly news coverage. Just because there's a live person reading it doesn't mean the news is different. If you listen to all-news stations (there isn't one in Buffalo) you'll hear the amount of repetition in any given hour. That's how the news works. There's a clock and you recycle stories throughout the day.



Maybe. That's an editorial decision and a funding decision. Adding more news means adding more to the budget, and as I said, public media budgets have been cut nationally. People want more news, and they don't want to pay for it. That's an impossible situation.
It's not as much about adding more bodies as it is to using their resources more effectively. In case you haven't noticed, TSL is down significantly. Hour long programs aren't going to fix that or attract more than a few dedicated listeners. A lot of radio listening is done in cars. Commutes in WNY average about 20 minutes. Even then, there's no guaranty that listeners will be there at the start of the program. Five minutes of local news, repetitive or not, sure as heck brings in more ears than an hour of loosely-edited content, and even that is being repeated again and again. I'm also pretty sure that whatever deep pockets that they're tapping into in the Toronto market have little or no interest in that long-form programming.
 
It's not as much about adding more bodies as it is to using their resources more effectively. In case you haven't noticed, TSL is down significantly. Hour long programs aren't going to fix that or attract more than a few dedicated listeners. A lot of radio listening is done in cars. Commutes in WNY average about 20 minutes. Even then, there's no guaranty that listeners will be there at the start of the program. Five minutes of local news, repetitive or not, sure as heck brings in more ears than an hour of loosely-edited content, and even that is being repeated again and again. I'm also pretty sure that whatever deep pockets that they're tapping into in the Toronto market have little or no interest in that long-form programming.
How do you know TSL is down? It's not 1990 if you hadn't noticed. Many people don't commute at all. They work from home. Most of NPRs programming are one hour long shows. People who listen to NPR probably have the ability to pay attention for more than 5 minutes. Not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that 5 more minutes of local news would bring in more listeners...
 
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