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WDJO
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JRY,
Found this during a google search. Agreement between on the City of Cincinnati, Hamilton County, and J4 Broadcasting of Cincinnati, the then owner of WCIN 1480. It's about the tower height, ect.
http://www.bocc.hamilton-co.org/agenda/Images.nsf/5084a96ef59e0c0c8525690d00522fac/7cf4014e1828df4085256a7e00533a46/$FILE/01.pdf
Then click on the 01.pdf to view.
Found this during a google search. Agreement between on the City of Cincinnati, Hamilton County, and J4 Broadcasting of Cincinnati, the then owner of WCIN 1480. It's about the tower height, ect.
http://www.bocc.hamilton-co.org/agenda/Images.nsf/5084a96ef59e0c0c8525690d00522fac/7cf4014e1828df4085256a7e00533a46/$FILE/01.pdf
Then click on the 01.pdf to view.
I love that part about the tower shall not be lit even if regulators deem it necessary. Right, sure. All that would mean is if the FAA wants them lit, they'd have to take the towers down.
I remember when this was built and subsequent owners said that they would be extending the tower height, shortly.
Again, right, sure. Don't hold your breath.
I've spent thousands of dollars getting tower sites approved. I cannot imagine convincing a group of NIMBYs on the
value of extending tower height.
There is a new type of easement. Its called the "visual easement".
Its getting tougher and tougher to locate a tower (unless its a cell tower) ask our friends at 610 about that.
I remember when this was built and subsequent owners said that they would be extending the tower height, shortly.
Again, right, sure. Don't hold your breath.
I've spent thousands of dollars getting tower sites approved. I cannot imagine convincing a group of NIMBYs on the
value of extending tower height.
There is a new type of easement. Its called the "visual easement".
Its getting tougher and tougher to locate a tower (unless its a cell tower) ask our friends at 610 about that.
125' towers (which is what they have 3 of per the FCC website). I'll have to change my 'less than half' to about '1/3' the height of the old towers. Speaking of the old towers, one of them is used as an STL tower at WJCP (formerly WKRP) 1460 North Vernon, IN and another is the actual radiating tower at WZZB 1390 Seymour, IN.
Regarding the 610 reference, I assume that's why WTVN's proposed 50KW night site from 10-15 years ago never happened? Even though it was way out from the city IIRC. That would have been a pretty awesome facility.
Regarding the 610 reference, I assume that's why WTVN's proposed 50KW night site from 10-15 years ago never happened? Even though it was way out from the city IIRC. That would have been a pretty awesome facility.
I was involved in the 610 deal. What a mess. Ended up at the Ohio Supreme Court. CitiCasters tried to assert that WTVN was like a utility and, therefore, could not be blocked from doing the build. Didn't fly. Didn't even come close. NIMBYs won.BobOnTheJob said:125' towers (which is what they have 3 of per the FCC website). I'll have to change my 'less than half' to about '1/3' the height of the old towers. Speaking of the old towers, one of them is used as an STL tower at WJCP (formerly WKRP) 1460 North Vernon, IN and another is the actual radiating tower at WZZB 1390 Seymour, IN.
Regarding the 610 reference, I assume that's why WTVN's proposed 50KW night site from 10-15 years ago never happened? Even though it was way out from the city IIRC. That would have been a pretty awesome facility.
1480 could have been a great signal, if it wasn't for the short, inefficient, sticks. Wouldn't they have had less power, though?
Without being directly involved, I can only assume that less power would have been the case, especially in that 1480 has less than 5KW even with the short sticks. Once they left what they had, they had to reduce interference by 10% to get it moved...that plus several moved miles pretty well sealed their fate. The night portion may have been better as the shorter sticks may be sending more signal to the sky than 5/8 wave towers would have. I'd imagine that they needed to keep the transmitter site in the population center and anything outside of I-275 would probably have been more of a compromise than what they ended up with.
Did WTVN try to move a little farther south to find an area with no/fewer neighbors or did the just grow weary of fighting & said the heck with it?
Did WTVN try to move a little farther south to find an area with no/fewer neighbors or did the just grow weary of fighting & said the heck with it?
After that fight, they threw in the towel. Its getting REALLY HARD to do these moves.BobOnTheJob said:Without being directly involved, I can only assume that less power would have been the case, especially in that 1480 has less than 5KW even with the short sticks. Once they left what they had, they had to reduce interference by 10% to get it moved...that plus several moved miles pretty well sealed their fate. The night portion may have been better as the shorter sticks may be sending more signal to the sky than 5/8 wave towers would have. I'd imagine that they needed to keep the transmitter site in the population center and anything outside of I-275 would probably have been more of a compromise than what they ended up with.
Did WTVN try to move a little farther south to find an area with no/fewer neighbors or did the just grow weary of fighting & said the heck with it?
I had two brutal ones. One in 2003 and the other in 06. The 06 one (4 towers on 10 acres) was a real problem. Cost a fortune. Then i had a tower site where i only wanted to increase the size of the building. That one cost a fortune. We won but, the restrictions imposed on us made it cost prohibitive.
At some point, it gets less costly to sacrifice an FM signal (if you have one)...sadly, WDJO doesn't have that option. I built a 240' tower 20 years ago and it was the best money I ever spent. It wasn't easy to get the zoning board (total of 3 hearings to get the full height) to approve, but eventually I won--finding an attorney who had successfully sited a cell tower in that county was key. Today? Doubt I'd even waste my effort trying. Amazes me how people want all these tech gadgets but they don't want the infrastructure in their area to support them...more of that wanting something for nothing mentality.
One of my sites is rather remote. 4 - 370 footers. We set the towers 1300 feet off the road on 45 acres. As unobtrusive as possible. One of the neighbors challenged me with the question... there is no where else you can put these? You know how tough it is to engineer a directional AM.... Yup, that was the only good site.BobOnTheJob said:At some point, it gets less costly to sacrifice an FM signal (if you have one)...sadly, WDJO doesn't have that option. I built a 240' tower 20 years ago and it was the best money I ever spent. It wasn't easy to get the zoning board (total of 3 hearings to get the full height) to approve, but eventually I won--finding an attorney who had successfully sited a cell tower in that county was key. Today? Doubt I'd even waste my effort trying. Amazes me how people want all these tech gadgets but they don't want the infrastructure in their area to support them...more of that wanting something for nothing mentality.
What helped me there was the prospect of wireless internet.
A couple of years after the build, they got their internet, off of a hot AM tower, no less.
NDXUFan said:Before the end of the month, something very interesting will happen with 'DJO. You doubted me the last time, do not this time.
Well, it ain't talk (at least thats what my sources say).
jry said:One of my sites is rather remote. 4 - 370 footers. We set the towers 1300 feet off the road on 45 acres. As unobtrusive as possible. One of the neighbors challenged me with the question... there is no where else you can put these? You know how tough it is to engineer a directional AM.... Yup, that was the only good site.
What helped me there was the prospect of wireless internet.
I'm curious to know if 1480 could use an existing transmitter site? If they could be moved to say, 1160's transmitter location, with a daytime power increase would that help their signal problems if it is even possible?
microbob said:jry said:One of my sites is rather remote. 4 - 370 footers. We set the towers 1300 feet off the road on 45 acres. As unobtrusive as possible. One of the neighbors challenged me with the question... there is no where else you can put these? You know how tough it is to engineer a directional AM.... Yup, that was the only good site.
What helped me there was the prospect of wireless internet.
I'm curious to know if 1480 could use an existing transmitter site? If they could be moved to say, 1160's transmitter location, with a daytime power increase would that help their signal problems if it is even possible?
Well, the two frequencies are far enough apart to make diplexing easy. It would boil down to pattern, protecting all of the other co-channels and adjacents. You'd have to look at every station from 1460 to 1500. Maybe they lower power and use 1050's single tower....
Then, you have the problem of getting out of the existing lease.
jry said:NDXUFan said:Before the end of the month, something very interesting will happen with 'DJO. You doubted me the last time, do not this time.
Well, it ain't talk (at least thats what my sources say).
No more oldies on WDJO?
Looks like they have a null to the north so putting it at the 1160 site would probably be a non-starter. Looking at their coverage map on http://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=WDJO&service=AM&status=L&hours=D, they seem to have "good" daytime coverage in Hamilton County...something that would be a tall order from the 1160 site even if they could aim it in the desired direction at that high of a spot on the dial. Building an AM site is an expensive proposition...my guess is that an enormous amount of research went into this location and the people who were writing the checks (for equipment, land and lawyers) were fully satisfied that this is as good as it was going to get--and that it made economic sense at the time.jry said:microbob said:jry said:One of my sites is rather remote. 4 - 370 footers. We set the towers 1300 feet off the road on 45 acres. As unobtrusive as possible. One of the neighbors challenged me with the question... there is no where else you can put these? You know how tough it is to engineer a directional AM.... Yup, that was the only good site.
What helped me there was the prospect of wireless internet.
I'm curious to know if 1480 could use an existing transmitter site? If they could be moved to say, 1160's transmitter location, with a daytime power increase would that help their signal problems if it is even possible?
Well, the two frequencies are far enough apart to make diplexing easy. It would boil down to pattern, protecting all of the other co-channels and adjacents. You'd have to look at every station from 1460 to 1500. Maybe they lower power and use 1050's single tower....
Then, you have the problem of getting out of the existing lease.
What happened to their reverb? Can no longer hear it on line.
Milo Miller said:What happened to their reverb? Can no longer hear it on line.
1160's reverb?
wdjo 1480's reverb appears to be gone while listening on line.jry said:Milo Miller said:What happened to their reverb? Can no longer hear it on line.
1160's reverb?
borderblaster said:Doesn't DJO carry the short-form Huckabee segments?
Yes He took over Paul Harvey's - ABC News and Comment which was on The Big One
for over 50 years then they moved him to DJO. Harvey was so upset he died.
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