We're getting an Omnia ONE!

[CalifZeke]

And the veterans on this board should be helping the newbies learn about processing rather than ridiculing them because they criticize one's favorite processor brand. Try emulating Cornelius for a change, Zeke.

The "newbies" need to learn first, spout off later...That's the point. There are plenty who offer help. If one positions themself from a knowledge base, there's no need for ridicule.

 

[CalifZeke]

Forgive me for not having all the answers, Zeke. We can't all be born with them like you. :

Never positioned myself as if I did. The newbies can dish out criticism, but can't take it. Learn first, speak out later.

 

[menotti1]

so in other words you're saying their 8100 is stomping your 8400? doesn't speak too highly for the 8400.Not sure which station you referred to,but my contact source told me it was a O6EXI.we talked about several.But i will tell you an 8100 with XT will stomp a 8400 anyday, just for what that's worth to you.But i wish you all the success in the world.Happy tweaking to you.i know this board seems like a debate team alot of the time.Just like the SEC everyone has a favorite team...GO LSU..i want to thank Mr. Gould for his posts and presets, MAN you are making me look like a hero to my o6 clients.THANK YOU.

 

[greenie]

Menotti1

go lsu? Don't you mean ROLL WAVE!

 

[menotti1]

http://www.sendmefile.com/00621329

Greenie ,you be sooooo funny.Boys let's take a break while you load the above link and enjoy the Ballad of Nick Sabin.Remember him?ha ha This will get our minds off processing and believe me we need a break.you will love this.

 

[cgould]

The "newbies" should spend more time learning about processing as compared to posting foolish comments. Seems there's more who can't wait to post ego driven editorial, instead of taking the time to learn.

nd the veterans on this board should be helping the newbies learn about processing rather than ridiculing them because they criticize one's favorite processor brand. Try emulating Cornelius for a change, Zeke.

The "newbies" need to learn first, spout off later...That's the point. There are plenty who offer help. If one positions themself from a knowledge base, there's no need for ridicule.

Newbies, How to learn, and Mentors

I'll tip toe around here, and say that having been a newbie many moons ago, I certainly recognize the tendency to be quick to blame brand-x
processor for a problem when in reality it was a lack of understanding about a different topology that led to my mis-conclusion. I've done it many times myself. If I recognize this 'mistake' in others, I take the 'leading the horse to water' approach, which rarely leads to an immediate "AHAAA" moment from the person(s) I'm trying to help. But it will happen one day.

My audio processing mentors have done this with me in the past...much to my frustration, but it really is what is needed for one to truly appreciate what they didn't know, and the "connecting of the dots" process that leads them to this new knowledge. I'm hyper-aware of this right now as I'm wrapping up (literally) a lifetime worth of work with my DSP processing project, and looking back on what it took to get here...and being thankful to have Mentors such as Frank Foti, Steve Church, and Jim Somich (amongst others) in jump starting start my DSP development process.

These days, folks see me as a Guru, and I guess I have to reluctantly agree, but it's because I stand on the shoulders of others who have taught me 'how to learn' in this field. This is just my way of giving back...I'll never know who the next 'me' will be!

I offer this little public "mind rant" to try to get all parties to come together, and to possibly shed insight to everyone's position.



-Cornelius

 

[RealityCheckr]

Mr Gould,

Amen. The key thing to consider is "is this an opinion".

And if it might be an opinion feel free to tell your buddies, but don't go posting it as fact on a public forum.

As I am sure Gorin is learning right about now, when someone Googles the name of your company and reads something negative it can be very damaging to your company reputation, regardless of the quality of your product.

I know for a fact a number of manufacturers who watch boards like to keep an eye on the misinformation as well as (of course) a desire to contribute and educate the public.

Processing is one of the areas in broadcasting that takes a long time to develop skill. And not everyone has the right "ears" for it.

Think about this - if you learned (really learned, not just trying presets which isn't) 3 processors ideally you would learn with processors from three different manufacturers. Once you did that you would be well along in the ability to learn a new processor that you run into.

In fact, as Mr Gould observes, until you have spent time and "learned" more than one processor brand it is likely you are not truly skilled.

Happy spring to all.

 

[whit979]

Not sure which station you referred to,but my contact source told me it was a O6EXI.

It's the AC station in that market. The thing is, I think it's possible to emulate their sound pretty closely with the ONE. Getting there is just out of my league right now. Omnias, including the ONE, have that kind of bass and HF texture reminiscent of the good analog processors of old...would you agree?

Amen. The key thing to consider is "is this an opinion".

And if it might be an opinion feel free to tell your buddies, but don't go posting it as fact on a public forum.

Processing is one of the areas in broadcasting that takes a long time to develop skill. And not everyone has the right "ears" for it.

Okay, I will accept the fact that I'm not very smart when it comes to processing, at least not with Omnias yet. But just because I don't know the controls yet doesn't mean that I don't know what sounds appropriate for our format and our market. Knowing how to make your processor turn flips does not make you a Jedi master of radio sound. It is subjective! Hence the need for a forum such as this...where people can exchange their opinions, learn from others, and everybody comes out better as a result of it.

I am doing my very best to take the high road with people on this thread who think that I shouldn't be contributing to it. Speaking as a "novice" in the world of processing, I think it is important that others who are on my current skill level understand all the perspectives out there. Take my word for it...it is not just the top tier of engineers/processing users who are reading this page. It's other regular people, just like me, who deserve to know all the perspectives on these products. And I don't think I deserve the kind of ridicule I am getting for realizing that I made a mistake, in pitting the larger 8400 against the budged-priced ONE.

Like I said...do the A/B testing yourself. Make up your own mind. Post up your opinion...that's the point of a forum. Your opinion, regardless of what it is, won't be wrong. And neither is mine.

 

[menotti1]

whitfm, i think you can get close to their sound with the one and probably better with cleaner,louder audio.let me make my point about orban.The best box they ever had was the 8100a,somehow between it and the 8500,the processors just did not do anything for me or my clients.alot went back to the 8100 or switched to Omnia...Now i bet the 8500 is the boy dog and have heard good things about it.I never had anyone go from an Omnia 6 to the Omnia 3,get my point? But we are here to help if we can and wish you nothing but the best.

 

[wgliradio]

Never positioned myself as if I did. The newbies can dish out criticism, but can't take it. Learn first, speak out later.

It seems like you have only one answer. You're very quick to excuse the misadjustment of Brand Om (your favorite) as user error, but when I know you've misadjusted Brand V, you chalk it off to the box being hopeless. Not fair. I have heard all brands and flavors and adjusted the same.

In any case, Brand Om, Or, and Brand V can both be made to sound great or lousy, depending on who is adjusting it. After that its price and feature set, service and support to decide what you want to buy.

 

[CalifZeke]

It seems like you have only one answer. You're very quick to excuse the misadjustment of Brand Om (your favorite) as user error, but when I know you've misadjusted Brand V, you chalk it off to the box being hopeless. Not fair. I have heard all brands and flavors and adjusted the same.

In any case, Brand Om, Or, and Brand V can both be made to sound great or lousy, depending on who is adjusting it. After that its price and feature set, service and support to decide what you want to buy.

Brand V was setup by THEIR guy. Voice was DISTORTED. That box doesn't play in large markets.

 

[audiobuffer]

ok! So lots of discussion about the 'cosmic' setting.. Anyone out there using this with their own twist? i'd love some tips. It has a fantastic full sound. Very unique. Wide, etc. How have you tweaked from the original setting? Just need some guidance.

Two things I have noticed with this setting. When you loose the full stereo signal I can hear a definate decrease in volume. the sound goes from wide to narrow almost. Any explanation for this? Maybe in the Stereo EXP setting? Remember I am using this in the mountains and a lot of listening happens near the fringe.

Also, I want to add some punchy bass without sacrificing any of the low end rumble.

Can anyone provide guidance? I thank you in advance.

 

[whit979]

Brand V was setup by THEIR guy. Voice was DISTORTED.

A friendly reminder of one of my earlier posts -- that I USE PRESETS -- so maybe you could stop implying that I'm incompetent at what I do? Maybe you could lay off now?

I think we've all had sufficient time to lick our wounds and get back to what we're all paid to do. How about making this discussion about the processing, instead of continuing to criticize me? Thank you.

 

[CalifZeke]

Brand V was setup by THEIR guy. Voice was DISTORTED.

A friendly reminder of one of my earlier posts -- that I USE PRESETS -- so maybe you could stop implying that I'm incompetent at what I do? Maybe you could lay off now?

I think we've all had sufficient time to lick our wounds and get back to what we're all paid to do. How about making this discussion about the processing, instead of continuing to criticize me? Thank you.

Ah, my last reply had nothing to do with you. This group needs to give processing discussion a rest.

 

[gtomas]

Anyone who didn't tell Whit that it's not fair to compare 8400 and Omnia.One at the beginning of this thread, shouldn't now "play the general after the battle" as we say in Croatia...

All this proves is that you should demo all the processors you can buy, before you make a decision on the purchase. Never trust other people's recommendations, (un)favorable critic (even though they appear prevalent), opinions on forums, heresay, marketing... You could be very mislead, not just becuase processing is so subjective.

The only way to cut through to what only matters (the sound and performance of the processor on-air on your station) is to demo several directly competing processors, preferably in the direct ABC comparison on your station. Only then you are making an informed decision based on real-life use and experience. The added benefit is that you get to play with and try more processors plus you form your own opinion on each of them.


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[cgould]

So, Goran!

How does Scott feel about you giving such rave reviews of the competitor's product (the post about the 8500 from a couple of days ago)

;D ;D ;D

::ducking:::

-C

 

[menotti1]

Goran, you are alright. Before the Omnia 6exi was the best you ever heard, now it's the 8500.what's next? i think i can get you a part time job at the "WAFFLE House".Man,they have an awesome breakfast.Please feel free to bring Stace along.HEEEEEEEhaw

 

[fm-engineer]

I believe the stereo enhancer on cosmic is a default of 8. If you notice the gain reduction on cosmic is set to strapped, not independent. This results in less stereo image, so I would guess the higher value is to compensate for that. I don't use any enhancement at all. It sounds just fine without it. Any enhancement to L-R will exaggerate existing multipath issues. The mono blend is more pleasant with the stereo enhancer off. Have you tried C Gould's Omnia 6 presets? They are similar to cosmic as they rely more on AGC than limiting and clipping.

ok! So lots of discussion about the 'cosmic' setting.. Anyone out there using this with their own twist? i'd love some tips. It has a fantastic full sound. Very unique. Wide, etc. How have you tweaked from the original setting? Just need some guidance.

Two things I have noticed with this setting. When you loose the full stereo signal I can hear a definate decrease in volume. the sound goes from wide to narrow almost. Any explanation for this? Maybe in the Stereo EXP setting? Remember I am using this in the mountains and a lot of listening happens near the fringe.

Also, I want to add some punchy bass without sacrificing any of the low end rumble.

Can anyone provide guidance? I thank you in advance.

 

[dspxscott]

So, Goran!

How does Scott feel about you giving such rave reviews of the competitor's product (the post about the 8500 from a couple of days ago)

;D ;D ;D

::ducking:::

-C

I agree with Goran that all of our competitors make great products.There is no shame in admiring the talents and products of a competing company and any positive comments about the competition is not an admission that their products are better in some way.
Which audio processor is considered the best is subjective and Goran has only been repeating what I have said from day one.

Any poster who makes black and white statements on something so subjective as audio processing is in danger of looking ignorant.

Try them all including our own and don't believe the hype.

 

[FFoti1]

I believe the stereo enhancer on cosmic is a default of 8. If you notice the gain reduction on cosmic is set to strapped, not independent. This results in less stereo image, so I would guess the higher value is to compensate for that. I don't use any enhancement at all. It sounds just fine without it. Any enhancement to L-R will exaggerate existing multipath issues. The mono blend is more pleasant with the stereo enhancer off. Have you tried C Gould's Omnia 6 presets? They are similar to cosmic as they rely more on AGC than limiting and clipping.

ok! So lots of discussion about the 'cosmic' setting.. Anyone out there using this with their own twist? i'd love some tips. It has a fantastic full sound. Very unique. Wide, etc. How have you tweaked from the original setting? Just need some guidance.

Two things I have noticed with this setting. When you loose the full stereo signal I can hear a definate decrease in volume. the sound goes from wide to narrow almost. Any explanation for this? Maybe in the Stereo EXP setting? Remember I am using this in the mountains and a lot of listening happens near the fringe.

Also, I want to add some punchy bass without sacrificing any of the low end rumble.

Can anyone provide guidance? I thank you in advance.

Ah....Omnia.One FM does not have *ANY* Stereo Enhancement. I'm guessing you're talking about one of our other systems. If so, please start a new thread on that topic.

-Frank Foti