We're getting an Omnia ONE!

[cgould]

So, Goran!

How does Scott feel about you giving such rave reviews of the competitor's product (the post about the 8500 from a couple of days ago)

;D ;D ;D

::ducking:::

-C

I agree with Goran that all of our competitors make great products. There is no shame in admiring the talents and products of a competing company and any positive comments about the competition is not an admission that their products are better in some way.
Which audio processor is considered the best is subjective and Goran has only been repeating what I have said from day one.

Any poster who makes black and white statements on something so subjective as audio processing is in danger of looking ignorant.

Try them all including our own and don't believe the hype.

Now I know the answer

Mostly poking in a fun way .. hence all the smileys

;D

-C

 

[wgliradio]

Brand V was setup by THEIR guy. Voice was DISTORTED. That box doesn't play in large markets.

Okay. If that's what you wanted to hear from it. I also had a demo with a setup from THEIR guy. Voice was pristine under very aggressive processing.

 

[fm-engineer]

I thought he or she was referring to Omnia 6. Others have mentioned 8400, 8500, and Omnia 6 in this thread. Sorry if you took offense to that. He asked others who may have twists or insight regarding the cosmic setting.

I believe the stereo enhancer on cosmic is a default of 8. If you notice the gain reduction on cosmic is set to strapped, not independent. This results in less stereo image, so I would guess the higher value is to compensate for that. I don't use any enhancement at all. It sounds just fine without it. Any enhancement to L-R will exaggerate existing multipath issues. The mono blend is more pleasant with the stereo enhancer off. Have you tried C Gould's Omnia 6 presets? They are similar to cosmic as they rely more on AGC than limiting and clipping.

ok! So lots of discussion about the 'cosmic' setting.. Anyone out there using this with their own twist? i'd love some tips. It has a fantastic full sound. Very unique. Wide, etc. How have you tweaked from the original setting? Just need some guidance.

Two things I have noticed with this setting. When you loose the full stereo signal I can hear a definate decrease in volume. the sound goes from wide to narrow almost. Any explanation for this? Maybe in the Stereo EXP setting? Remember I am using this in the mountains and a lot of listening happens near the fringe.

Also, I want to add some punchy bass without sacrificing any of the low end rumble.

Can anyone provide guidance? I thank you in advance.

Ah....Omnia.One FM does not have *ANY* Stereo Enhancement. I'm guessing you're talking about one of our other systems. If so, please start a new thread on that topic.

-Frank Foti

 

[CalifZeke]

Brand V was setup by THEIR guy. Voice was DISTORTED. That box doesn't play in large markets.

Okay. If that's what you wanted to hear from it. I also had a demo with a setup from THEIR guy. Voice was pristine under very aggressive processing.

When the GM, PD, and CE all hear objectionable ripping on live voice, and the V guy can't fix it, that's what happened. We wanted to hear clean, clear, and loud audio. The V box doesn't cut it.

 

[FFoti1]

I thought he or she was referring to Omnia 6. Others have mentioned 8400, 8500, and Omnia 6 in this thread. Sorry if you took offense to that. He asked others who may have twists or insight regarding the cosmic setting.

No offense taken. Just making sure there was no misunderstanding.

-Frank Foti

 

[dspxscott]

Now I know the answer

Mostly poking in a fun way .. hence all the smileys

;D

-C

Don't worry Corny I know. I was taking the opportunity to contribute to this board, which I have been reluctant to do recently. It seems like we go round in circles sometimes.

 

[cgould]

Don't worry Corny I know. I was taking the opportunity to contribute to this board, which I have been reluctant to do recently. It seems like we go round in circles sometimes.

I hear ya!

With all the mud slinging going on, I felt the need to have some fun. Hehe.

With all the activity brewing in the background from us new players in the audio processor creation arena, as well as the established players continuing to stay on their toes and innovate, it should prove to be an interesting bunch of years to come!

Can't wait to see the scene when we are all in full swing!

-C

 

[gtomas]

I'd add for both Whit, and Stephanie that the ideal thing to do is to get hold of an unused FM exciter, drive it into a dummy load, feed the processor under test into this exciter, and compare your work to what you have on the air. This way, what you are doing is being heard on a tuner just like the over the air stations. Make sure you have some way to check the modulation on the test setup to make sure you aren't fooling yourself.

I would second this recommendation but in my experience with this proposed set-up, different exciters can play a role in the sound which is sometimes noticeable. Therefore I would recommend that if you have access to your current on-air processors, put a T-connector on MPX output and bring this signal to an AB(C) composite switch-box (you can easily build your own, basically all you need is a switch). Also connect to the switch-box your processor under test, connect the output of the box to an exciter driving the dummy load and listen to this "station" only, while switching back and forth between two processors. Now both processors are in exactly the same environment (if they are both fed with the same audio) and you can judge only their relative performance.


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[gtomas]

How does Scott feel about you giving such rave reviews of the competitor's product (the post about the 8500 from a couple of days ago)

I think you got your answer (and btw I could ask you a similar thing! ) I'd just like to add a quote of a dear friend here - "there are many ways to skin the cat"


Regards,
Goran Tomas

 

[cgould]

How does Scott feel about you giving such rave reviews of the competitor's product (the post about the 8500 from a couple of days ago)

I think you got your answer (and btw I could ask you a similar thing! ) I'd just like to add a quote of a dear friend here - "there are many ways to skin the cat"


Regards,
Goran Tomas

touché!

 

[wgliradio]

When the GM, PD, and CE all hear objectionable ripping on live voice, and the V guy can't fix it, that's what happened. We wanted to hear clean, clear, and loud audio. The V box doesn't cut it.

Problem with this is that I can't take any of this seriously, especially since I am listening to a V box right now on the air. Right now its just as loud and much cleaner than anything else on the dial and I only took possession of it at 1:10 this afternoon.

I'm in the shadow of NYC, so I think we all know the loudness level. This is the third new box I have demo'ed on this station this year and all three have been winners (Omnia ONE, Digiplexer and now the AP 1000, which is effortless). Each has something I really like (from the clean composite clipper in the ONE to the exciting bass and texture in the Digiplexer to the effortless sound of the AP 1000)... The regular processor is a DSP-X BTW... which isn't shabby itself.

Mics sound great. SM 7's with Symmetrix processors set for very gentle compression. I will roll some audio when I get a chance.

 

[littlejohn]

People need to say "We were unable to do whatever" instead of "It won't do whatever".
And, what exciter you feed the signal to - as well as how you feed it - probably makes way more difference in the result than who made the proc box.
Consider - if you have something with a relatively fast single speed AGC, you aren't going to be able to really punch it with bass without getting audio into the AFC loop and doing Bad Things. Whereas a more modern two - speed or modified single speed loop AFC will tolerate a lot more boom before it unloads on you. Some of the Ogonowski modded loops are capable of marvelous performance, at a cost of a two or three minute power up cycle. The newer stuff usually has a twospeed loop, and powers quickly.
If you feed the exciter AES3 audio you come onto another variable - the final limiter is the one the manufacturer built, and you can't change it. Compare the Digit being fed AES3 and the 802D1 with the same feed. Continental has a much better system for composite processing in the digital domain than Harris. Consequently, most people feed their Digits composite instead of AES3. The modulator works OK, the digital filter isn't as good.
The bottom line is, it takes the whole package to determine what the radio is going to sound like. At times past, I've even used 'representative' radios to set one up, depending the percieved (or researched) audience. Consequently saying as a blanket "This box works" or "This box doesn't work" is to a great degree fallacious. Thus the gent who says whichever one it was 'doesn't cut it' should uinstead tell me it didn't work with X program delivery system sending over a Y link to a Z exciter into a Q antenna and I will give him some credence.
We run everything as a bitstream until the RF comes out of the exciter. It works well, but has - as does every system - its pitfalls. They are different than the pitfalls which appeared when we did it analog and fed composite to the RF plant; and that one was different in its idiosyncracies from the one which fed discrete left and right analog to the RF plant.