I believe that I did. But you cut it from the quote in your reply. I still like MOST of what I liked in '76. I still remember going to a consignment store in the late '80s, and buying a bunch of old K-Tel albums because they all contained songs that I just wasn't hearing on the radio at that time. A few years later, the '70s became "retro" and some of those songs returned to the airwaves, but I wasn't hearing them in the late '80s. I still have these K-Tel albums, so I have actually owned them longer than the original owners did! 8)michael hagerty said:I honestly don't know. I don't even know if I disagree with what you wrote above because you didn't answer my question.firepoint525 said:I'm sorry, are you going to disagree with EVERYTHING that I say?michael hagerty said:I'm sorry. Are you suggesting that, if not for peer pressure, everyone would like everything they hear always and forever?firepoint525 said:If late-night comics (among other people) would not mock the tastes of others, people would not develop "convenient amnesia" and forget them. It's a form of "peer pressure" that creates guilty pleasures and causes people to deny their own tastes in music.michael hagerty said:
It's really easy to mock something once it's no longer in style. :
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If any other country station is playing them, I wouldn't know, because I don't listen to enough country radio to know. If you know of any country stations that are still playing early '80s country, feel free to pass it along. I know that most of the Nashville music industry actually now tries to distance itself from the watered-down crossovers of the late '70s and early '80s.DavidEduardo said:
I actually listened to WSM-FM while they were "The Wolf," and while I liked the mix of crossovers that they were playing at the time (Fleetwood Mac, Firefall, Rod Stewart, and others), I knew even then that a country music purist would absolutely HATE that station! And deservedly so. If I'm listening to it, it probably is not "hardcore" country.
DavidEduardo said:
So THAT'S why "Anticipation" was never as big on oldies/classic hits stations as "You're So Vain," "Nobody Does It Better" and "Haven't Got Time for the Pain" were. Although wasn't "Haven't Got..." also used in a commercial not too long ago?
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David about the Mil/Chi-
You are wrong. Both stations are individual (one Chicago, one Milwaukee) both owned by Clear Channel with local hosts. However, their playlists (especially noticeable at Christmas and during the workday) mirror each other perfectly. I mentioned this because this is one reason I don't see how there is all this testing going on. Companies like CC are just greed-machines, so it appears they just copy all their formats everywhere. Same can be said with CBS, a look at the playlists show extreme similarity (not exact in this case) with stations like WCBS, WOMC, and WJMK---it appear to me that maybe CBS paid for one "test" and gave that out to all their stations. You'll say they test well, I'll still say it's greed, laziness, and unoriginality.
You are wrong. Both stations are individual (one Chicago, one Milwaukee) both owned by Clear Channel with local hosts. However, their playlists (especially noticeable at Christmas and during the workday) mirror each other perfectly. I mentioned this because this is one reason I don't see how there is all this testing going on. Companies like CC are just greed-machines, so it appears they just copy all their formats everywhere. Same can be said with CBS, a look at the playlists show extreme similarity (not exact in this case) with stations like WCBS, WOMC, and WJMK---it appear to me that maybe CBS paid for one "test" and gave that out to all their stations. You'll say they test well, I'll still say it's greed, laziness, and unoriginality.
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oldies76 said:
I HATE those weekends. One's on right now!!! Seriously you don't have to be smart to notice that, but I guess were fanatics or we listen too much :
All we want is a little more creativity, and entertainment. I get the money game, what I don't get is the stubborness to try new things --- which I think are far more safe than they are being portrayed to.
Biondi4Mayor said:I HATE those weekends. One's on right now!!! Seriously you don't have to be smart to notice that, but I guess were fanatics or we listen too much :
All we want is a little more creativity, and entertainment. I get the money game, what I don't get is the stubborness to try new things --- which I think are far more safe than they are being portrayed to.
K-Earth 101 is notorious for "fake" weekends like that. Back in the mid 80's though, KRTH used to have incredible feature weekends, especially during holiday weekends throughout the year, such as playing every LA radio survey #1 song in chronological order, from 1955 to 1985...seriously! It was a blast! Have not heard anything remotely similiar to that since. If you want the link to this special, which I discovered just two years ago, here it is:
http://crl.ucsd.edu/~buff/krth/
I know it's been over 27 years since this aired, but it shows you the potential of radio if a PD, really wanted to have fun with their audience. Those were the days!
CTListener said:
Gosh, the ketchup taking it's sweet slow time coming out of the bottle! I remember that, mid 70's sometime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ae6ofz3fgD8
firepoint525 said:I believe that I did. But you cut it from the quote in your reply. I still like MOST of what I liked in '76. I still remember going to a consignment store in the late '80s, and buying a bunch of old K-Tel albums because they all contained songs that I just wasn't hearing on the radio at that time. A few years later, the '70s became "retro" and some of those songs returned to the airwaves, but I wasn't hearing them in the late '80s. I still have these K-Tel albums, so I have actually owned them longer than the original owners did! 8)michael hagerty said:I honestly don't know. I don't even know if I disagree with what you wrote above because you didn't answer my question.firepoint525 said:I'm sorry, are you going to disagree with EVERYTHING that I say?michael hagerty said:I'm sorry. Are you suggesting that, if not for peer pressure, everyone would like everything they hear always and forever?firepoint525 said:If late-night comics (among other people) would not mock the tastes of others, people would not develop "convenient amnesia" and forget them. It's a form of "peer pressure" that creates guilty pleasures and causes people to deny their own tastes in music.michael hagerty said:
It's really easy to mock something once it's no longer in style. :
I cut it out because it didn't answer the question. I didn't ask about your musical tastes. The question was and is:
Are you suggesting that, if not for peer pressure, everyone would like everything they hear always and forever?
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KRTH occasionally has a "Motown Weekend": two Motown hits at :00 and :30.
KRTH occasionally has a "British Invasion Weekend": two hits by British artists at :00 and :30.
KRTH occasionally has a "'70s Soul Weekend": two r&b songs at :00 and :30.
KRTH occasionally has a "Twin-Spin Weekend": "two in a row by your favorite artists" at :00 and :30.
KRTH occasionally has a "Movie Tunes Weekend": oldies that were featured in movies, played at :00 and :30.
Mister oldies76, you are correct: Every weekend KRTH plays the same songs, just in a different order. This weekend KRTH is having a "'60s-70s-80s Weekend." Golly gee, doesn't that sound exciting? No? You're right. Each hour at :00 and :30 they play a 1960s hit followed by a '70s hit and then an '80s hit. Same songs, different order. The "theme" they came up with for this weekend is their stupidest yet, not to mention unweildy to say. The 1:00 hour began with Brown Eyed Girl and I changed the station as soon as I heard the first few notes. On a 1960s discussion elsewhere, that song is almost unanimously the one we're most sick of hearing.
KRTH occasionally has a "British Invasion Weekend": two hits by British artists at :00 and :30.
KRTH occasionally has a "'70s Soul Weekend": two r&b songs at :00 and :30.
KRTH occasionally has a "Twin-Spin Weekend": "two in a row by your favorite artists" at :00 and :30.
KRTH occasionally has a "Movie Tunes Weekend": oldies that were featured in movies, played at :00 and :30.
Mister oldies76, you are correct: Every weekend KRTH plays the same songs, just in a different order. This weekend KRTH is having a "'60s-70s-80s Weekend." Golly gee, doesn't that sound exciting? No? You're right. Each hour at :00 and :30 they play a 1960s hit followed by a '70s hit and then an '80s hit. Same songs, different order. The "theme" they came up with for this weekend is their stupidest yet, not to mention unweildy to say. The 1:00 hour began with Brown Eyed Girl and I changed the station as soon as I heard the first few notes. On a 1960s discussion elsewhere, that song is almost unanimously the one we're most sick of hearing.
LARadioRewind said:
And yet, KRTH is the #5 radio station in Los Angeles according to the December PPMs. They're the #4 music station. And they're only 3/10ths of a point from being the #4 radio station and the #3 music station.
Looks like Jhani Kaye understands how his target audience uses radio and he's meeting their expectations. This should tell you something.
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It tells me that there are a lot of people who still aren't sick of Brown Eyed Girl, My Girl, Maggie May, American Pie, Baby Love, California Dreamin', Doo Wah Diddy Diddy, Oh Pretty Woman, Unchained Melody and Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye. How many more years will it take?
firepoint525 said:No, you might still hear them over stations like WSM-AM. But as I said, that's where they belonged all along. Interestingly enough, just a couple of years later, after the influnece of MTV was beginning to be felt, NONE of these folks could get heard over CHR anymore. And that, too, was as it should have been all along.michael hagerty said:You don't hear them because they don't test well today. But millions of people bought them at the time. Their tastes have changed. It's exactly what we've been talking about here.firepoint525 said:'Splains why 1981 was probably my least favorite year for music, at least during my teen years. And I almost never hear any of these on whatever passes for "classic hits" radio these days, so I feel vindicated. You've got to go to classic country radio to hear those anymore. And that is where they belong.michael hagerty said:Pop radio was always about playing the hits, wherever they came from. And "Elvira" by The Oak Ridge Boys (#1 Country, #5 Hot 100, #8 Adult Contemporary) was part of the boom in country crossovers spurred on by the film "Urban Cowboy", which was supposed to do for country what "Saturday Night Fever" did for disco.firepoint525 said:Probably explains why we got stuck with "Elvira" on what was supposedly "pop" radio back in the early '80s. :michael hagerty said:
The week "Elvira" peaked at #5 (July 25, 1981), Kenny Rogers' "I Don't Need You" was #6, Juice Newton's "Queen Of Hearts" was #14, Ronnie Milsap's "No Gettin' Over Me" was #16 and Roseanne Cash's "Seven Year Ache" was #22. Eddie Rabbitt's "Step By Step" was the second-highest debuting record on the Hot 100 at #66.
Actually, it would be hard to find a single year before MTV where Top 40 didn't have several crossover country records on the charts. Top 40 was a variety format...whatever sold...at varying times, classical, jazz, country, soul, folk, Broadway show tunes, World Music and religious music have all found a place in the Top 40 and on Top 40 stations' airwaves. 1981 was just the last loud gasp before segmentation set in for good.
LARadioRewind said:
That's what research helps tell us. That list is awfully 60s heavy, by the way. Meantime, KRTH is playing the music its audience wants to hear and not sabotaging themselves by ignoring the research.
LARadioRewind said:
Why even bother labeling the weekend as a specialty?? Unbelievable...and I'll bet those 4 measly songs they play each hour, are the same songs they play all week! That to me, is not radio.
Mr. Hagerty says they are #5 or #4.....yeah, because Angelinos have no other choice! They are used to it....It's really the only oldies station in town, unless the can pick up 99.9 That is unbelievable, I did not even realize that limitation of just 4 songs an hour for a "special".
oldies76 said:
The ratings have suffered when KRTH got it wrong before despite a lack of head-to-head competition. The audience isn't married to oldies (David, do you have or can you get the shared listening data for KRTH?). You may not like it. But KRTH is doing it right. Lucky for KRTH you guys aren't 40 year old women.
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KRTH has had several "Parade Of Hits" weekends, every one of them with the same songs. When KHJ became "Boss Radio" in 1965, they simulcast on 101.1 FM, which was then KHJ-FM. In 1969-70, the FM dropped the simulcast and ran Drake-Chenault's automated "Hit Parade" format, which had begun in 1968 and was heard on many stations nationwide. In 1972, KHJ-FM became KRTH. The "Parade Of Hits" name is probably a tribute to "Hit Parade," although I think a true "parade of hits" would feature the songs in chronological order.
michael hagerty said:
The average PPM panelist listens to 6 stations in the course of a week, and around 8 or 9 different ones in the course of 2 weeks.
Most people have 2 or 3 stations the listen to "a lot" and often the one they listen to most this week (P1 or "preference level 1") is not the same one next week or next month.
The sharing of KRTH's cume I am going to list below is based only on people who listen to each station one hour or more a week... in other works, not the occasional and accidental listening the PPM does pick up.
14 stations share between 10% and 25% of the KRTH 25-54 cume. They are:
KOST, KIIS, Jack, Hot, My FM, KYSR, Amp, Power 106, KSWD, The Wave, K-Love, K-Rock, KLOS and KRCD.
What we know is that classic hits, for most people, is a second or third choice format. But it is one that does get good TSL when it is tuned into. However, the stations that it shares with range from classic rock and CHR to Spanish AC and Spanish Oldies and includes Rhythmic and alternative in the mix, too.
Since KRTH's audience is 40% Hispanic on average, an important factor in music selection is making sure all the music is familiar and acceptable among the Hispanic audience.
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