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Why Is There Such Hostility Against JACK FM?

Re: JACK FM?

> I don't "worship" any radio format. The FACTS are that WJMK
> has (12+) nearly 4 times Nine FM's audience. Not opinion-
> just the fact, jack (sorry, couldn't help myself)
>
> > Wow, thank God! Oh, wait, they had five times that before
> > the format flip. You're a lackey. You're a Jack "pug",
> > that's OK. Gives us something to laugh at. You worship the
>
> > strangest things. Keep up the good work and you'll get a
> > promotion to food tester.
> >
> > > and the last time I looked, WJMK had nearly 4 times the
> > > audience as NINE FM and they've only been in the format
> > for a couple of months.
>
Nine FM is on 2 suburban signals and 1 signal that barely covers the western suburbs. The WRZA & WKIE signals don't cover the city of Chicago very well, especially the downtown area. That's part of the reason. Inifinity Broadcasting has the revenue to advertise, which is why they got word out about the format. With any format on a city grade signal, those stations will almost always get better ratings than a suburban signal station like Nine FM, simply because in a market like Chicago, the city grade signals cover the entire market, where suburban signals get 2nd adjacent interference in Chicago, especially downtown. But you have to remember that Nine FM is run by an independent company, so they don't answer to investors like Infinity Broadcasting does. Since Jack FM in Chicago is run by a publically traded company, every dollar counts. So Infinity Broadcasting better hope the flip to Jack was a wise one. We'll know when we see the billing for Jack, and we'll get to see that in the near future.
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by dave73 on 10/11/05 05:11 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Hostility?

I never knew that having a negative opinion on something was bad. We'll just let you set all the standards. If you disagree with me I guess I'd say you have a negative opinion. It's a free Country, you're welcome to live in Venezuela where only your opinion would count as dictator.

When I worked formats that billed well and were flipped or sold I didn't whine like a little baby that "oh, they have a negative outlook on the format". Stop with all the guzzling will you please. Jack is a silly idea IN MY OPINION. You're welcome to disagree with me. I have a very bright opinion a great many things - NOT ALL. You wish to run around and hand out flowers to the world as you bury your head in the sand, that's nice. Don't come out too much, you'll get confused.

You continually trumpet the merits of something that is showing moderate success in places that aren't nearly as important as those that do. It may be doing good in one of the top 5 markets but then Jammin' Oldies did well in ALL MARKETS (mostly) INCLUDING the ones that MATTER. In fact, many stations are programming Jammin' Oldies now and NOT CALLING IT THAT.

I'll tell you what, you become one of the Elders and tell us all how your taste is better and we're just negative doomsayers because we think trainwreck programming is bad and we'll just sit back and laugh.

Take a hike.

> Yer kidding. OK, show of hands- all who think musicloverII
> has a negative view of Jack/Variety Hits format?
>
> This has nothing to do with me. If you don't believe you
> have a negative opinion of JACK, you are in complete denial.
>
>
>
> > I get it, if someone doesn't agree with something and they
>
> > "sound-off" in conflict with your position you're
> > "negative". Wow, I guess in your world dissention isn't
> > allowed for fear the happy thoughts would be affected.
>
 
Re: JACK FM?

You must have some kind of ADD.

NO KIDDING. My post was in sarcasm! You and David Eduardo must form little boy pee-pee trains and run around the room together. You don't seem to grasp much. You talk and talk and talk "whooooo whoooo"!

> I don't "worship" any radio format. The FACTS are that WJMK
> has (12+) nearly 4 times Nine FM's audience. Not opinion-
> just the fact, jack (sorry, couldn't help myself)
>
> > Wow, thank God! Oh, wait, they had five times that before
> > the format flip. You're a lackey. You're a Jack "pug",
> > that's OK. Gives us something to laugh at. You worship the
>
> > strangest things. Keep up the good work and you'll get a
> > promotion to food tester.
> >
> > > and the last time I looked, WJMK had nearly 4 times the
> > > audience as NINE FM and they've only been in the format
> > for a couple of months.
>
> >
>
 
Hostility?

> I never knew that having a negative opinion on something was bad.

I never said it was "bad"- I said it was negative. And it is.

Where you love to confuse others (and quite possibly yourself) is you don't seem to want to separate "I hate it" and "it's bad radio". The first is factual- you indeed loathe the entire Jack mindset and nobody's denying your right to dislike it. The "it's awful radio" part is totally subjective, yet you try to pass it off as fact.
 
JACK FM?

Jack stations will eventually have jocks. They just won't (and shouldn't) be the standard "that was/this is" liner readers and song introducers.
> >
> I guess it would be difficult to have jocks on a Jack-FM
> format because :
>
> 1) Given the nature of the "playing what WE want" format,
> they can't take requests from listeners. How would they
> really interact with the listeners unless they had contests
> or something of that sort?
>
> 2) Also, DJ's usually tell you what artists are coming up
> next. Part of the uniqueness of the Jack-FM format is that
> you are surprised by the songs you hear.
>
 
JACK FM?

Well, cat, it's difficult to tell when you go off and rant anti-Jack. You seem very serious about how it's doomed to failure and very serious about yourself.

>
> NO KIDDING. My post was in sarcasm! You and David Eduardo
> must form little boy pee-pee trains and run around the room
> together. You don't seem to grasp much. You talk and talk
> and talk "whooooo whoooo"!
 
JACK FM?

I totally get the whole dynamic with the signals and ownership.

However, Nine FM so often gets held up as this product that's superior to Jack and right now, based on listenership, it isn't.


> >
> Nine FM is on 2 suburban signals and 1 signal that barely
> covers the western suburbs. The WRZA & WKIE signals don't
> cover the city of Chicago very well, especially the downtown
> area. That's part of the reason. Inifinity Broadcasting
> has the revenue to advertise, which is why they got word out
> about the format. With any format on a city grade signal,
> those stations will almost always get better ratings than a
> suburban signal station like Nine FM, simply because in a
> market like Chicago, the city grade signals cover the entire
> market, where suburban signals get 2nd adjacent interference
> in Chicago, especially downtown. But you have to remember
> that Nine FM is run by an independent company, so they don't
> answer to investors like Infinity Broadcasting does. Since
> Jack FM in Chicago is run by a publically traded company,
> every dollar counts. So Infinity Broadcasting better hope
> the flip to Jack was a wise one. We'll know when we see the
> billing for Jack, and we'll get to see that in the near
> future.
>
 
Re: JACK FM?

Wow, do you go down on all formats like this? You need to get some help.

> I totally get the whole dynamic with the signals and
> ownership.
>
> However, Nine FM so often gets held up as this product
> that's superior to Jack and right now, based on
> listenership, it isn't.
>
>
> > >
> > Nine FM is on 2 suburban signals and 1 signal that barely
> > covers the western suburbs. The WRZA & WKIE signals don't
>
> > cover the city of Chicago very well, especially the
> downtown
> > area. That's part of the reason. Inifinity Broadcasting
> > has the revenue to advertise, which is why they got word
> out
> > about the format. With any format on a city grade signal,
>
> > those stations will almost always get better ratings than
> a
> > suburban signal station like Nine FM, simply because in a
> > market like Chicago, the city grade signals cover the
> entire
> > market, where suburban signals get 2nd adjacent
> interference
> > in Chicago, especially downtown. But you have to remember
>
> > that Nine FM is run by an independent company, so they
> don't
> > answer to investors like Infinity Broadcasting does.
> Since
> > Jack FM in Chicago is run by a publically traded company,
> > every dollar counts. So Infinity Broadcasting better hope
>
> > the flip to Jack was a wise one. We'll know when we see
> the
> > billing for Jack, and we'll get to see that in the near
> > future.
> >
>
 
Re: Hostility?

Well, in many markets then we all have a negative vibe about your girl Jack

> > I never knew that having a negative opinion on something
> was bad.
>
> I never said it was "bad"- I said it was negative. And it
> is.
>
> Where you love to confuse others (and quite possibly
> yourself) is you don't seem to want to separate "I hate it"
> and "it's bad radio". The first is factual- you indeed
> loathe the entire Jack mindset and nobody's denying your
> right to dislike it. The "it's awful radio" part is totally
> subjective, yet you try to pass it off as fact.
>
 
Re: JACK FM?

> I totally get the whole dynamic with the signals and
> ownership.
>
> However, Nine FM so often gets held up as this product
> that's superior to Jack and right now, based on
> listenership, it isn't.

Yeah, but the main issue is the signal. Obviously 104.3 Jack will do better since it has a strong signal.

>
>
> > >
> > Nine FM is on 2 suburban signals and 1 signal that barely
> > covers the western suburbs. The WRZA & WKIE signals don't
>
> > cover the city of Chicago very well, especially the
> downtown
> > area. That's part of the reason. Inifinity Broadcasting
> > has the revenue to advertise, which is why they got word
> out
> > about the format. With any format on a city grade signal,
>
> > those stations will almost always get better ratings than
> a
> > suburban signal station like Nine FM, simply because in a
> > market like Chicago, the city grade signals cover the
> entire
> > market, where suburban signals get 2nd adjacent
> interference
> > in Chicago, especially downtown. But you have to remember
>
> > that Nine FM is run by an independent company, so they
> don't
> > answer to investors like Infinity Broadcasting does.
> Since
> > Jack FM in Chicago is run by a publically traded company,
> > every dollar counts. So Infinity Broadcasting better hope
>
> > the flip to Jack was a wise one. We'll know when we see
> the
> > billing for Jack, and we'll get to see that in the near
> > future.
> >
>
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Re: JACK FM?

> Wow, do you go down on all formats like this? You need to
> get some help.

Why are you so negative to Cat? He knows his facts and is very smart (in radio). The only way you feel more powerful is by insulting other posters and it is getting annoying. Grow up.

>
> > I totally get the whole dynamic with the signals and
> > ownership.
> >
> > However, Nine FM so often gets held up as this product
> > that's superior to Jack and right now, based on
> > listenership, it isn't.
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Nine FM is on 2 suburban signals and 1 signal that
> barely
> > > covers the western suburbs. The WRZA & WKIE signals
> don't
> >
> > > cover the city of Chicago very well, especially the
> > downtown
> > > area. That's part of the reason. Inifinity
> Broadcasting
> > > has the revenue to advertise, which is why they got word
>
> > out
> > > about the format. With any format on a city grade
> signal,
> >
> > > those stations will almost always get better ratings
> than
> > a
> > > suburban signal station like Nine FM, simply because in
> a
> > > market like Chicago, the city grade signals cover the
> > entire
> > > market, where suburban signals get 2nd adjacent
> > interference
> > > in Chicago, especially downtown. But you have to
> remember
> >
> > > that Nine FM is run by an independent company, so they
> > don't
> > > answer to investors like Infinity Broadcasting does.
> > Since
> > > Jack FM in Chicago is run by a publically traded
> company,
> > > every dollar counts. So Infinity Broadcasting better
> hope
> >
> > > the flip to Jack was a wise one. We'll know when we see
>
> > the
> > > billing for Jack, and we'll get to see that in the near
> > > future.
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Why Is There Such Hostility Against

> You really need to stop servicing Infinity management under
> the desk. It's not about Jack sucking, it's about the
> over-hype of a format that plays NOTHING differant than
> what's already being played across the dial. End of story.
> You over-hype it all and hump it's leg all you want, in the
> end, it's the same old (BLEEP) just played on one station.
> Nothing new is being broken and CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
> According to the suits at ALL the companies, "people don't
> want just jukeboxes, that's why we're not too concerned with
> internet radio". I'll never forget that useless, visionless,
> scared because I don't understand NEW things statement made
> by a "well-respected" CEO. And you wonder why radio is where
> it's at, rehashing music in a discombobulated format named
> Jack for ease of branding? It's everything radio said NO ONE
> would listen to at the dawn of technology's ability to offer
> real CHOICE, different FORMATS without having to listen to
> the mindless dribble come pouring out the mouthes of carpet
> salesmen who began running radio stations en masse.

Let me correct you since you're wrong. Jack is a new radio concept. The music MIX is different and there aren't jocks (for now) and Jack has an attitude. Its the latest thing in radio, even if it doesn't last long. Plus, lots of people like Jack.
>
> Stop with the Jack is Great crap OK?

First off, tibbs is allowed to have an opinion. Who are you to tell him what to think?
It's not, it's a new
> format replacing others, it's on autopilot and it's a crap
> shoot. There's not alot of brains needed to do it and the
> outrage doesn't come from replacing some stale old stations,
> it comes from the bullshit excuses used to put the tired ass
> format on the air in the first place. It's everything radio
> never wanted to do and everything radio criticized and
> ridiculed when many of us were telling them they were headed
> in the wrong direction almost 10 years ago. No vision, head
> in the sand, time passes by and radio begins to lose
> clients, it resorts to something it belittled for years and
> now it's a genius idea. Please, go blow it out your ass with
> this stupidity. It's sheer nonsense with lackeys who have
> their tongues up the asses of the very people who'd fire
> them in a second.

You are allowed to have an opinion, but your bi***ing and whining is really getting annoying.

>
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wrong

Uh, last time I looked, the one market where Jack is a dud is NYC and the only other where's it's sort of stuck is Denver. Everywhere else JACK is on fire in the ratings (you know, that's where actual listeners actually determine how successful a radio station is, Arbitron and all).



> Well, in many markets then we all have a negative vibe about your girl Jack
>
> > > I never knew that having a negative opinion on something was bad.
> >
> > I never said it was "bad"- I said it was negative. And it is.
> >
> > Where you love to confuse others (and quite possibly
> > yourself) is you don't seem to want to separate "I hate
> it" and "it's bad radio". The first is factual- you indeed
> > loathe the entire Jack mindset and nobody's denying your
> > right to dislike it. The "it's awful radio" part is
> totally subjective, yet you try to pass it off as fact.
> >
>
 
Re: Why Is There Such Hostility Against

> Let me correct you since you're wrong. Jack is a new radio
> concept. The music MIX is different and there aren't jocks
> (for now) and Jack has an attitude. Its the latest thing in
> radio, even if it doesn't last long. Plus, lots of people
> like Jack.

You're wrong. It's not new, it's a mainstream CHR format leaning white rock in some instances playing mainstream CHR hits with some urban 25-44 mass appeal artists from the last 20 years. There's nothing NEW here. It's everything that caused radio to go broke 25 years ago. It's not the greatest thing in the world as purported by the lackeys.

> >
> > Stop with the Jack is Great crap OK?
>
> First off, tibbs is allowed to have an opinion. Who are you
> to tell him what to think?

It's not telling someone what to think, it's telling someone to stop posting under false pretenses. The person is either an employee, has a stake in the format at either the corporate level for Infinity or wishes to.

> It's not, it's a new > > format replacing others, it's on autopilot and it's a crap. There's not alot of brains needed to do it and the
> > outrage doesn't come from replacing some stale old
> stations,
> > it comes from the bullshit excuses used to put the tired
> ass
> > format on the air in the first place. It's everything
> radio
> > never wanted to do and everything radio criticized and
> > ridiculed when many of us were telling them they were
> headed
> > in the wrong direction almost 10 years ago. No vision,
> head
> > in the sand, time passes by and radio begins to lose
> > clients, it resorts to something it belittled for years
> and
> > now it's a genius idea. Please, go blow it out your ass
> with
> > this stupidity. It's sheer nonsense with lackeys who have
> > their tongues up the asses of the very people who'd fire
> > them in a second.
>
> You are allowed to have an opinion, but your bi***ing and
> whining is really getting annoying.
>
Yes, it bores me to read such drivel coming out of people's mouthes when they have an agenda but don't want to tell you. And might I add that my annoyance is your time spent as you obviously feel the need to feel me up by reading my posts.

I guess I'll put you in my "not a fan, not possible client folder". That makes 9, the other one is growing much faster thanks.
> >
>
 
Re: wrong

OK, now you and David must be locked in a heavy hump. Umm, OK Oldiescat.

> Uh, last time I looked, the one market where Jack is a dud
> is NYC and the only other where's it's sort of stuck is
> Denver. Everywhere else JACK is on fire in the ratings (you
> know, that's where actual listeners actually determine how
> successful a radio station is, Arbitron and all).
>
>
>
> > Well, in many markets then we all have a negative vibe
> about your girl Jack
> >
> > > > I never knew that having a negative opinion on
> something was bad.
> > >
> > > I never said it was "bad"- I said it was negative. And
> it is.
> > >
> > > Where you love to confuse others (and quite possibly
> > > yourself) is you don't seem to want to separate "I hate
> > it" and "it's bad radio". The first is factual- you
> indeed
> > > loathe the entire Jack mindset and nobody's denying your
>
> > > right to dislike it. The "it's awful radio" part is
> > totally subjective, yet you try to pass it off as fact.
> > >
> >
>
 
Re: JACK FM?

That's not always true, in fact, it's not inconceivable that a suburban stick could beat a city grade, in fact, some outbilled them in the past. But let's not let the reality of stale and boring product get in the way of pointing fingers at the real reasons. But for the most part, you're correct. In Chicago, it's a toss up

> > I totally get the whole dynamic with the signals and
> > ownership.
> >
> > However, Nine FM so often gets held up as this product
> > that's superior to Jack and right now, based on
> > listenership, it isn't.
>
> Yeah, but the main issue is the signal. Obviously 104.3 Jack
> will do better since it has a strong signal.
>
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > Nine FM is on 2 suburban signals and 1 signal that
> barely
> > > covers the western suburbs. The WRZA & WKIE signals
> don't
> >
> > > cover the city of Chicago very well, especially the
> > downtown
> > > area. That's part of the reason. Inifinity
> Broadcasting
> > > has the revenue to advertise, which is why they got word
>
> > out
> > > about the format. With any format on a city grade
> signal,
> >
> > > those stations will almost always get better ratings
> than
> > a
> > > suburban signal station like Nine FM, simply because in
> a
> > > market like Chicago, the city grade signals cover the
> > entire
> > > market, where suburban signals get 2nd adjacent
> > interference
> > > in Chicago, especially downtown. But you have to
> remember
> >
> > > that Nine FM is run by an independent company, so they
> > don't
> > > answer to investors like Infinity Broadcasting does.
> > Since
> > > Jack FM in Chicago is run by a publically traded
> company,
> > > every dollar counts. So Infinity Broadcasting better
> hope
> >
> > > the flip to Jack was a wise one. We'll know when we see
>
> > the
> > > billing for Jack, and we'll get to see that in the near
> > > future.
> > >
> >
>
 
> Its gets very bland after awhile. Plus its over cloned and
> jockless.

Jeremy, the little yellow flag tells me that you are a mod on a radio message board. You are either work in the business or eat/sleep/crap radio, right?

So I have to ask you this: why is "jockless" a bad thing? A lot of radio folks have said that they don't understand the format. It is a listener format.

While the format was not designed to be jockless and it isn't in a number of cities...listeners told us to "not screw it up" with jocks after listening to it. Some stations have decided to hold off, others have air staff. (JACK-FM/San Diego lost their AMD duo to CC across town and are actively looking for the next morning show (www.milliondollarmorningshow.com). Five year deal, million a year.

Over cloned? The fact that others have decided to try to copy JACK-FM in other markets is not our fault. Radio is full of guys who never had an original idea and crib off the next guy.
 
Re: JACK FM?

Cat,

Our fellow poster, "musicloverII", doesn't give out any information on himself so I guess we have to assume that he is a bitter old radio guy who made his living babysitting other people's formats in various markets. He seems to dislike change (and very likely) other people.

Instead of a civil discussion of the format, his posts are mostly "you suck, I rule".

CJ
 
This is true, see Jack for proof.

And millions followed Hitler into war. There's not genius in numbers.

>
> Over cloned? The fact that others have decided to try to
> copy JACK-FM in other markets is not our fault. Radio is
> full of guys who never had an original idea and crib off the
> next guy.
>
 
Re: JACK FM?

Awe, how cute. Another corporate geek to add to your train.

> Cat,
>
> Our fellow poster, "musicloverII", doesn't give out any
> information on himself so I guess we have to assume that he
> is a bitter old radio guy who made his living babysitting
> other people's formats in various markets. He seems to
> dislike change (and very likely) other people.
>
> Instead of a civil discussion of the format, his posts are
> mostly "you suck, I rule".
>
> CJ
>
 
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