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WILD FLIPWATCH ALERT!!!
- Thread starter RBRadioWaves
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For me and other alternative junkies, Fun and Mumford and Sons are alternative. For those of you who know little about alternative or have lived in a city with no alternative station and you rely on Hot Ac or even CHR stations for music, I suspect you would be shocked to know that Fun and Mumford and Sons are alternative.
NEWS FLASH: Sarah Mclachlan, The Sundays, Peter Gabriel, 10,000 Maniacs, Jesus Jones, Tears for Fears, Sting, U2, Sinead O'Conner, and Paula Cole. Where did I get this list of artist?? No, not a CHR playlist from 1998 but artist from the alternative charts in 1991 and 1992. Come on guys.... Just because Atlanta has been without an alternative station for a while isn't an excuse for selective memory.
It was bands like New Order and Depeche Mode that lead to the existence of Nine Inch Nails and The Killers.
NEWS FLASH: Sarah Mclachlan, The Sundays, Peter Gabriel, 10,000 Maniacs, Jesus Jones, Tears for Fears, Sting, U2, Sinead O'Conner, and Paula Cole. Where did I get this list of artist?? No, not a CHR playlist from 1998 but artist from the alternative charts in 1991 and 1992. Come on guys.... Just because Atlanta has been without an alternative station for a while isn't an excuse for selective memory.
It was bands like New Order and Depeche Mode that lead to the existence of Nine Inch Nails and The Killers.
acheron82 said:
+++1. At least I know there's other people out there that know what alternative really is. I honestly do think it's the grunge and the active rock/alternative hybrids that make people think they know what alternative is. I understand what altantaboy is saying as far as alternative may be different for different generations, but yeah, people that think that alternative has somehow been "ruined" by bands like Fun. and Mumford & Sons either have no memory of groups that were once played on alternative outlets or don't really understand the genre.
I've been an alternative junkie since my college days in the late '80s and besides WHFS in Washington when I was going to college, I remember being in Atlanta the very first day when 99X came on the air. That's why I probably get so defensive about it.
Not to mention all of the old 1980s alternative stuff from the early days of MTV and college radio--the only place where you could hear that stuff...although 96 Rock did play some of it for a brief time 1983-1984 before they started getting boomer envyacheron82 said:
and went full-bore classic rock (zzzzz...). Except for a few notable stations like KROQ, commercial radio has NEVER consistently liked 80s alt.
True but give FM949 out of San Diego a listen. They are catching a little sh*t right now because their playlist is not fresh enough. Very adventurous station. Also, here recently, Live 105 has got very 80s friendly. With alternative, you CAN have your cake and eat it too. Play the newest stuff, the cutting edge stuff and also play the 90s and 80s. Hell, go ahead and sneak in some 70s ziggy stardust from time to time. It's ALL alternative in my book.
Personally, I say forget 105.7 and pressure 88.1 to go strictly alternative like CD 102.5 in Columbus Ohio. I understand Atlantaboy's point on having something is better than nothing at all but excuse my french - I'm sick and tired of the half ass alternative stations. Alternative is NOT suppose to be safe. It IS suppose to be cutting edge. That is what alternative is and here we have been spending the past few days on this one post trying to make excuses on why alternative should be safe.
Damn I needed to get that out.....
Personally, I say forget 105.7 and pressure 88.1 to go strictly alternative like CD 102.5 in Columbus Ohio. I understand Atlantaboy's point on having something is better than nothing at all but excuse my french - I'm sick and tired of the half ass alternative stations. Alternative is NOT suppose to be safe. It IS suppose to be cutting edge. That is what alternative is and here we have been spending the past few days on this one post trying to make excuses on why alternative should be safe.
Damn I needed to get that out.....
jabba17 said:Not to mention all of the old 1980s alternative stuff from the early days of MTV and college radio--the only place where you could hear that stuff...although 96 Rock did play some of it for a brief time 1983-1984 before they started getting boomer envyacheron82 said:
Except for a few notable stations like KROQ, commercial radio has NEVER consistently liked 80s alt.
So... get out your Funk & Wagnalls, look up "alternative" and then, you people who are more interested in counting beans than the beans themselves, rejoin the conversation. You're not alternative if 75% of your playlist can be heard somewhere else. Seems acheron is the only one who has a handle on the fact that this genre is a shifting landscape. A lot of alternative, if it's any good, will get siphoned off by mainstream formats eventually. Same situation in all forms of entertainment... movies, books and music. A couple of people come up with an original idea and everybody else copies it until another brave artist comes up with an original idea... wash, rinse, repeat. Hell, I remember when the Beatles and the Rolling Stones were alternative... Elvis, too. 105.7 may not be perfect, but it's giving me a shot at songs that have been off the air in this market for a long time. My car radio thanks you.
This is an awesome thread with some great comments especially from Atlantaboy and awp69.
I'm wondering if this isn't the format dave fm should have been from the beginning, especially with all the alternative personalities that they started out with. A major signal with the Radio 105.7 approach and not all the DMB, Police and U2 would probably still be around today.
I'm wondering if this isn't the format dave fm should have been from the beginning, especially with all the alternative personalities that they started out with. A major signal with the Radio 105.7 approach and not all the DMB, Police and U2 would probably still be around today.
acheron82 said:
I completely agree - that's why I would classify Radio 105.7 as Modern AC - IMO they're just reporting to the Alt. panel because there's no better option - but I'm really glad to have a station to listen to again, cause I had gone 4-5 months without listening to the radio at all
I don't think a CD 102.5-type station could build up enough audience in ATL to stay on the air, at least not at this point, or on the 105.7 signal which doesn't reach inside the perimeter - but Georgia State could put it on 88.1, or Cumulus could put it on a translator
atlantaboy said:
I still say give Radio 105.7 a chance. I, unfortunately, can't see more than like the last 10 songs they play at any one time, but it seems pretty typical of an alt station from about a year ago. A lot of alternative stations play those same songs today - just with newer songs mixed in. If anything, I'd say they're more of a straight alternative station without backfilling with active rock like many do. I wouldn't be surprised if they start playing songs that are newer and less "safe" as they grow. Even though Vampire Weekend may not be considered a "safe" song because it's not familiar with its potential audience, it's still not some way out there sound that wouldn't fit in with what they're playing.
In a month or two, then maybe we'll know what the true direction of the station is. Many stations start out playing it safe just to get people to listen.
It's only been a week!
[size=10pt] An Introduction to Alternative - ALT101 [/size]
Here you guys go.... This is the current alternative charts. Now the below are the top 20 alt songs this week. This does NOT include new artist or new songs by artist. A song has to have several spins a day before it even makes it to the top 20 alt charts. Some of the newer just released songs that "MOST" alternative stations are playing include Portugal The Man's "Evil Friends", Vampire Weekend's "Diane Young", Alt-J's "Breezeblocks, Metric's "Synthetica", Yeah Yeah Yeahs' "Sacrilege", The Strokes' "All the Time", Cold War Kids "Miracle Mile", and an amazing artist, Royal Teeth with their new one, "Wild".
This is not indie, modern ac, modern pop, active rock, AAA, a safe station, an adventurous station..... No..... this is just alternative. Glad I can make the formal introduction. (P.S. I'm being funny, not an ass though as I read over this it seems I'm being an ass, I'm not... I love you.... even those of you who want to hear more Bruno Mars on Atlanta radio)
Imagine Dragons - Radioactive
The Lumineers - Stubborn Love
Of Monsters and Men - Mountain Sound
Silversun Pickups - The Pit
Muse - Madness
Mumford and Sons - Lover of the Light
Thirty Seconds to mars - Up in the Air
Atlas Genius - Trojans (STILL???)
The Neighbourhood - Sweater Weather
The Black Keys - Little Black Submarines
Mumford & Sons - I Will Wait
Phoenix - Entertainment
Fall Out Boy - My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark
The Airborne Toxic Event - Timeless
The Mowgil's - San Francisco
Family of the Year - Hero
Passion Pit - Carried Away
Foals - Inhaler
Here you guys go.... This is the current alternative charts. Now the below are the top 20 alt songs this week. This does NOT include new artist or new songs by artist. A song has to have several spins a day before it even makes it to the top 20 alt charts. Some of the newer just released songs that "MOST" alternative stations are playing include Portugal The Man's "Evil Friends", Vampire Weekend's "Diane Young", Alt-J's "Breezeblocks, Metric's "Synthetica", Yeah Yeah Yeahs' "Sacrilege", The Strokes' "All the Time", Cold War Kids "Miracle Mile", and an amazing artist, Royal Teeth with their new one, "Wild".
This is not indie, modern ac, modern pop, active rock, AAA, a safe station, an adventurous station..... No..... this is just alternative. Glad I can make the formal introduction. (P.S. I'm being funny, not an ass though as I read over this it seems I'm being an ass, I'm not... I love you.... even those of you who want to hear more Bruno Mars on Atlanta radio)
Imagine Dragons - Radioactive
The Lumineers - Stubborn Love
Of Monsters and Men - Mountain Sound
Silversun Pickups - The Pit
Muse - Madness
Mumford and Sons - Lover of the Light
Thirty Seconds to mars - Up in the Air
Atlas Genius - Trojans (STILL???)
The Neighbourhood - Sweater Weather
The Black Keys - Little Black Submarines
Mumford & Sons - I Will Wait
Phoenix - Entertainment
Fall Out Boy - My Songs Know What You Did In The Dark
The Airborne Toxic Event - Timeless
The Mowgil's - San Francisco
Family of the Year - Hero
Passion Pit - Carried Away
Foals - Inhaler
^^ Assume this post was directed at some of those who don't seem to know what Alternative is. But wasn't sure if you were also implying what Radio 104.5 isn't playing. I agree that what I've seen isn't necessarily "current" but a lot of the same groups are being played - just not their current singles. So, guess I just think I wouldn't give up hope that Radio 104.5 isn't going to get with the program eventually. I think they will.
But as far as the rock vs. alternative conversation earlier, the only band in that list that would probably also be on the Active Rock charts is 30 Seconds to Mars -- although Fall Out Boy's new single is almost a throwback to Kiss-style metal.
LOL. That is one song that I never got why it has become a hit. It's not that great of a song. Another song I don't understand why it's doing so well is "Sweater Weather".
Anyway, yeah, there's a good bit of everything in there - countryish Mumford & Sons, a sort of dubstep single from Muse, folksy stuff like Family of The Year and general alternative rock that's not the loud trashing stuff on Active Rock stations. That's alternative.
And surprise! Fun. has dropped off the list.
But as far as the rock vs. alternative conversation earlier, the only band in that list that would probably also be on the Active Rock charts is 30 Seconds to Mars -- although Fall Out Boy's new single is almost a throwback to Kiss-style metal.
acheron82 said:
LOL. That is one song that I never got why it has become a hit. It's not that great of a song. Another song I don't understand why it's doing so well is "Sweater Weather".
Anyway, yeah, there's a good bit of everything in there - countryish Mumford & Sons, a sort of dubstep single from Muse, folksy stuff like Family of The Year and general alternative rock that's not the loud trashing stuff on Active Rock stations. That's alternative.
And surprise! Fun. has dropped off the list.
awp69 said:
The thing I find interesting is, Atlas Genius and Gotya have had better exposure in the US, than they did here in Australia, their home. For all the bitching that people do about (commercial) radio in the US, for the most part, it is still more diverse than Australian radio. We have the same complaints about the tight playlists, and the music industry is complaining about the lack of (contemporary) local product on commerial radio.
Temper Trap is out of Australia, right? They made a few sounds on alternative radio here as well.
awp69 - Radio 104.5 is a descent station. I can stomach them. Yes, I believe Radio 105.7 is alternative and not Modern AC. Just like Q100 is not country for playing Rascal Flats. Alternative introduces new music and other genres take the artist IF they get lots of airplay.
I usually listen to CD 102.5 but they no longer stream. FM949 and Live 105 are the top picks for me from the FM world and Radio 104.5 comes right behind that.
Personally, I listen mainly to Got Radio - Alternative and Alt Nation (xm). Yes, I was listening to Radio 104.5 earlier and they played A Silent Film, "You Will Leave Your Mark". Amazing song. Take a listen if you get a chance. Sadly, the song is not old but has only made it to a handful of alternative stations after its big plug on Alt Nation. I think Radio 104.5 and FM 949 are they only stations that play it other than CD 102.5. The late WFNX played it as well. Check it out though.
My issue with Radio 105.7 is the small playlist. Hell I LOVE alternative and can't handle the repeats. I know that 105.7 will expand some on down the road and I for one want to see it.
Also- I don't have a problem with an alternative station playing a few active rock tracks AS LONG AS THEY PLAY FRESH NEW ALTERNATIVE. K-rock is actually not that bad. True, they play a few active rock tracks an hour but they also play some deep alternative music. Listening to them right now actually.
awp69 - Radio 104.5 is a descent station. I can stomach them. Yes, I believe Radio 105.7 is alternative and not Modern AC. Just like Q100 is not country for playing Rascal Flats. Alternative introduces new music and other genres take the artist IF they get lots of airplay.
I usually listen to CD 102.5 but they no longer stream. FM949 and Live 105 are the top picks for me from the FM world and Radio 104.5 comes right behind that.
Personally, I listen mainly to Got Radio - Alternative and Alt Nation (xm). Yes, I was listening to Radio 104.5 earlier and they played A Silent Film, "You Will Leave Your Mark". Amazing song. Take a listen if you get a chance. Sadly, the song is not old but has only made it to a handful of alternative stations after its big plug on Alt Nation. I think Radio 104.5 and FM 949 are they only stations that play it other than CD 102.5. The late WFNX played it as well. Check it out though.
My issue with Radio 105.7 is the small playlist. Hell I LOVE alternative and can't handle the repeats. I know that 105.7 will expand some on down the road and I for one want to see it.
Also- I don't have a problem with an alternative station playing a few active rock tracks AS LONG AS THEY PLAY FRESH NEW ALTERNATIVE. K-rock is actually not that bad. True, they play a few active rock tracks an hour but they also play some deep alternative music. Listening to them right now actually.
Lee Anderson said:
acheron82 said:
Sorry, I screwed up. When I was saying Radio 104.5, I actually meant Radio 105.7 (ughh, stupidity). Saying that they may not be playing the most current hits by the bands you listed now, but I think (and hope) that that will change as they move forward.
Oh, and, yes, I love A Silent Film, especially "You Will Leave "Your Mark", which I did hear first on Radio 104.5. Just like I got into The Postal Service via Radio 104.5 (all of this was streaming when I was living in Greenville without any Alternative station). I'm was flabbergasted and jumped for joy just hearing The Postal Service on X98.5 starting a few weeks ago.
But as far as Radio 105.7 is concerned, I wouldn't be worried about the small playlist and repeats. As I mentioned before, it's only been a week. I have little doubt that they'll open up as they grow -- especially in playing the newest songs by the bands they're already playing. And while I don't care for the grunge and some active on X98.5, I listen to them regularly because they have really surprised me with how "fresh" they've been keeping it with lots of new adds. Heard Frank Turner's "Recovery" today on X98.5 and he's someone I don't think I had ever been introduced to. That's what I want. To hear and be exposed to not only the latest from bands I already know, but also find out about new artists.
Because I can't get the iheartradio app, I can't listen to any CC stations. Having said that, I do flick around between...
WEQX - Albany
Radio 94.7 - Sacramento
96.5 The Buzz - Kansas City
WEQX - Albany
Radio 94.7 - Sacramento
96.5 The Buzz - Kansas City
acheron82 said:
Good comparison :
About 2/3 of the songs Radio 105.7 plays have charted on Hot AC - 2/3 of the songs Q100 plays have not charted on Country
Here's a sample hour from 105.7...
Green Day/Oh Love
Mumford & Sons/I Will Wait
Dave Matthews Band/What Would You Say
Imagine Dragons/Radioactive
Thirty Seconds To Mars/Up In The Air
Ataris/The Boys Of Summer
Muse/Madness
Goo Goo Dolls/Slide
The Naked And Famous/Young Blood
Franz Ferdinand/Take Me Out
Mumford & Sons/I Will Wait
It still might evolve into straight Alternative - but not for the reasons you mentioned
Huge fan of Radio 94.7. It plays enough new music to keep things interesting, but plays enough familiar stuff for me to enjoy as well.Lee Anderson said:
Awp: I remember Frank Turner from the old wfnx and I'm glad his new single is taking off so well.I'll have to listen to X98.5 more, the station sounds great, especially for a smaller southern market.
2/3 is a stretch. Yes, some have but not 2/3. Did you know Nirvana charted on the top 40 charts back in the 90s for a brief time? Does that make any station that plays Nirvana a station that leans top 40?
I see your point, I really really do. I just don't think that a few alternative songs that have charted on ac charts makes that alternative station lean ac, modern ac, top 40 (all the same to me).
I will give that Albany station a whirl today!
One more thing - Did Power start off playing stuff from the current charts or were there not plenty of golds. I can't remember but I know X98.5 started off with plenty of golds. I just think I'm crying over a station that is just in it's first few weeks that should later evolve.
I see your point, I really really do. I just don't think that a few alternative songs that have charted on ac charts makes that alternative station lean ac, modern ac, top 40 (all the same to me).
I will give that Albany station a whirl today!
One more thing - Did Power start off playing stuff from the current charts or were there not plenty of golds. I can't remember but I know X98.5 started off with plenty of golds. I just think I'm crying over a station that is just in it's first few weeks that should later evolve.
atlantaboy said:acheron82 said:
Good comparison :
About 2/3 of the songs Radio 105.7 plays have charted on Hot AC - 2/3 of the songs Q100 plays have not charted on Country
Here's a sample hour from 105.7...
Green Day/Oh Love
Mumford & Sons/I Will Wait
Dave Matthews Band/What Would You Say
Imagine Dragons/Radioactive
Thirty Seconds To Mars/Up In The Air
Ataris/The Boys Of Summer
Muse/Madness
Goo Goo Dolls/Slide
The Naked And Famous/Young Blood
Franz Ferdinand/Take Me Out
Mumford & Sons/I Will Wait
It still might evolve into straight Alternative - but not for the reasons you mentioned
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