Will WBCN 104.1 Go Talk?

[Garrett]

Beating dead horses... again.

I thought it was already established and announced by Infinity that WBCN would remain Rock? So why is this being brought up again?

And why would Infinity want an FM talker in a market that already has one?
Here is what is NOT going to happen:

As long as there is a Mike FM, there will NOT be a Jack FM, and WBMX and/or WODS and/or WBCN and/or WZLX will NOT be flipping to Jack as long as 93.7 is Mike.

The days of having more than one station in the same format in Boston have long passed. Sports and Talk are the exceptions to the rule (and how is that going for the Zone, anyway?). And please don't bring up WBCN, ZLX and FNX. These stations are all very distinct.

 

[morescrapple]

Re: Beating dead horses... again.

> I thought it was already established and announced by
> Infinity that WBCN would remain Rock? So why is this being
> brought up again?
>
> And why would Infinity want an FM talker in a market that
> already has one?

because there's a nationwide branding strategy at work, WTKK is irrelevant to this


> Here is what is NOT going to happen:
>
> As long as there is a Mike FM, there will NOT be a Jack FM,
> and WBMX and/or WODS and/or WBCN and/or WZLX will NOT be
> flipping to Jack as long as 93.7 is Mike.
>
> The days of having more than one station in the same format
> in Boston have long passed. Sports and Talk are the
> exceptions to the rule (and how is that going for the Zone,
> anyway?). And please don't bring up WBCN, ZLX and FNX. These
> stations are all very distinct.
>

 

[Joseph_Gallant]

Re: Here Is Hoping it isn't!....

But didn't New York's WCBS-101.1 spend a lot of money this past Spring advertising it's oldies format on local New York TV stations, only to see the format get "blown up" in early June and replaced by "Jack FM"??

 

[NotoriousN-I-K]

Re: Here Is Hoping it isn't!....

> > > ZLX just spent a pretty good chunk of change on
> television
> >
> > > advertising which seems to indicate they're not thinking
>
> > of
> > > changing the format anytime soon.
> > >
> >
> > They did? There's the new Magic spots, the Mike FM spots,
> > the WBZ 1030 spots (on WBZ-4, of course) and I thought
> that
> > was it.
> >
> > (There were those relaxing/chill ads for WCRB, but I doubt
>
> > those mean much these days)
> >
>
> They ran :15's - bought 7 stations deep. I saw them on
> CBS-4, Fox Sports Net, and WSBK.
>
Zlx has always done TV they've had the same spot for the past few years, it was one of the things that management at BCn used to be really upset about, the fact that Mix and Zlx and oldies all had TV campaigns and bcn was never given money to market etc. The zlx thing is probably mostly trade so it's not like they're spending tons on advertising but your conclusion is logical based on just seeing tons of spots.

 

[Smoke]

Re: Beating dead horses... again.

> > I thought it was already established and announced by
> > Infinity that WBCN would remain Rock? So why is this being
> > brought up again?

Some of us like to see our own names on the page, right?

> > And why would Infinity want an FM talker in a market that
> > already has one?
>
> because there's a nationwide branding strategy at work, WTKK
> is irrelevant to this

I didn't think they'd bomb CBS-FM, but if they're dumb enough to do that, they'd blow up a consistant earning Rock station in a Rock town for a flash in the pan format. They are ____ing up so bad you'd think they're trying to destroy the company.

Do you really think DLR is going to work in mornings anywhere? Or even here in Boston? I wouldn't bet an entire company's rock stations on an unproven host.

 

[classicradionut]

Re: Beating dead horses... again.

> because there's a nationwide branding strategy at work, WTKK
> is irrelevant to this
>

That is totally rediculous. Corporations don't simply change their product merely to conform to a national brand. This kind of thinking is from folks who hate one format or station and itch for change.

Garrett is correct. With the exception of AC, there's only room for one music station of each format these days. If this were not so, the model of the mid-80s, with three to four CHRs battling it out would still be occurring now.

True there are some psudo battles still happening, I.E. WODS/WROR, WBCN/WAAF, etc... but there are subtle differences in each format and they are not necessarilly the same.

Talk... Bostonians are notoriously opinionated, much more so than other cities, and it appears there is room for numerous talk stations. Its working so far, but don't anyone expect WBCN to go talk. Infinity already settled this issue, 'BCN is staying Rock. Period.

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[fccfight]

Re: BLOW ME UP TOM, Boston Phoenix Radio,etc

As I've said before, Parenteau's excesses nullified the fine work he did on
the air - and it is a pity "the evil men do lives after them, the good is oft
interred with their bones" or something like that - Fiends, Romans, Countrymen

As for the Phoenix, they were the last weekly to go "free" - they had to
make that move, that was the trend for weeklies - that they held out
so long is amazing. I know that at 1.50 it was just not worth spending
the cash every week - for free it is worthwhile - not to mention online.

You probably have better knowledge that ZLX and BCN aren't changing.
But Beau Raines is moving on - so is Mr. Wellington going to handle
both a la Tony Berardini when he was GM of both? Or is something in
the wind...like...Change...


I dont know
> anyone that could have ended up in Parenteau's situation,
> that is just EVIL.
>
> Phoenix writers? so few people are even reading the Phoenix
> hence it's had to become a free paper after being for sale
> for almost 25 years and there's no way in hell that they
> would be able to do talk radio on any other station besides
> Boston Phoenix Radio, who doesnt know that one?.
>
> The bottom line is that WBCN is not changing formats anytime
> soon,, WZLX is not changing formats anytime soon, that's
> about it.
>

 

[fccfight]

Re: Give it up.

The Phoenix is a good paper. I like the stuff Kennedy and Jurkowitz have
written during their revolving stints.

How is this "self-promotion" - and what is "nothing like a hit?" -
Where did I reference that phrase?



> > WBCN would be better served with a mixture of Boston
> Phoenix
> > writers as on-air hosts, and a real return to Harvard
> Square.
>
> Promoting yourself? Or just the paper that considers
> "Nothing like a _hit" good music? Give it up.
>
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[JustinT]

Re: Beating dead horses... again.

> > because there's a nationwide branding strategy at work,
> WTKK
> > is irrelevant to this
> >
>
> Corporations don't simply
> change their product merely to conform to a national brand.

Then why did Infinity kill the well-known brandings of KLSX/Los Angeles, WCKG/Chicago, WKRK/Detroit, WJFK/Washington, and others to create Free FM? Why has Clear Channel renamed three ACs in the Hudson Valley, along with WPCH/Atlanta and others to the Lite FM brand? Why is WKSS/Hartford's logo now a blue ball?

Perhaps in formats you may be correct, but companies will change the branding if it makes sense and saves a buck or two.

> Talk... Bostonians are notoriously opinionated, much more so
> than other cities, and it appears there is room for numerous
> talk stations.

Of course, it depends. Boston does not have room for wacko right-wing religious outlets disguised as conservative talkers, but stations like WRKO and WTKK clean up good. Boston would appear to be a good market for Infinity's concept of young male-targetted talk, should the concept be successful elsewhere.

> Its working so far, but don't anyone expect
> WBCN to go talk. Infinity already settled this issue

How has Infinity settled the issue? Has there been a press release? Rumors are that Infinity is looking into flipping an Urban AC/Oldies outlet in Denver to Free FM, so I wouldn't exactly say that Infinity is done with the Free FM concept.

Plus, Infinity has hinted changes to Hot Talk (with O&A) and Sports in the past, so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a flip occured.

, 'BCN
> is staying Rock. Period.

At least it's not "Great Rock". Period., or else 'BCN would be toast.

 

[NotoriousN-I-K]

Re: BLOW ME UP TOM, Boston Phoenix Radio,etc

> As I've said before, Parenteau's excesses nullified the fine
> work he did on
> the air - and it is a pity "the evil men do lives after
> them, the good is oft
> interred with their bones" or something like that - Fiends,
> Romans, Countrymen

Actually that is nothing like what you said. You made excuses for Parenteau and his "demons" but said that they did NOT negate anything he did on air in his glory. You are just wrong in quoting yourself.
>
> As for the Phoenix, they were the last weekly to go "free"
> - they had to
> make that move, that was the trend for weeklies - that they
> held out
> so long is amazing. I know that at 1.50 it was just not
> worth spending
> the cash every week - for free it is worthwhile - not to
> mention online.

Does
>
> You probably have better knowledge that ZLX and BCN aren't
> changing.
> But Beau Raines is moving on - so is Mr. Wellington going to
> handle
> both a la Tony Berardini when he was GM of both? Or is
> something in
> the wind...like...Change...

Of course they had to go that way, what businessman after 25 years of charging decides to give away his paper? none. They had to beocme free because the Improper forced them too and to this day is still looks better, you would never know the improper Bostonian is a free publication by looking at it, The PHoenix? it looks free. They havent even bothered to update the presentation or the actual physical paper itself. They're giving it away because the desire for it was not great enough to sell it anymore, so how does that differ from what i initially said?.
>
>
> I dont know
> > anyone that could have ended up in Parenteau's situation,
> > that is just EVIL.
> >
> > Phoenix writers? so few people are even reading the
> Phoenix
> > hence it's had to become a free paper after being for
> sale
> > for almost 25 years and there's no way in hell that they
> > would be able to do talk radio on any other station
> besides
> > Boston Phoenix Radio, who doesnt know that one?.
> >
> > The bottom line is that WBCN is not changing formats
> anytime
> > soon,, WZLX is not changing formats anytime soon, that's
> > about it.
> >
>

 

[Eli Polonsky]

Re: Beating dead horses... again.

> Of course, it depends. Boston does not have room for wacko
> right-wing religious outlets disguised as conservative
> talkers...

Sounds like you're describing 1150 WTTT, which hasn't yet shown up in the ratings.

 

[fccfight]

Re: BLOW ME UP TOM, Boston Phoenix Radio,etc

NIK SAYS
> Actually that is nothing like what you said. You made
> excuses for Parenteau and his "demons" but said that they
> did NOT negate anything he did on air in his glory. You are
> just wrong in quoting yourself.
> >

FCC REPLIES:
????????? See my previous post about Parenteau's excesses.
Major talent, misguided personal life. Of course when some
booking agent dared me to "card Mark's boyfriend" at the
Paradise one night the manager chewed me out. But it was funny!
Mark had that "How dare you" look when I carded the dude
(he was OF age!, by the way)

I sent him a copy of a book called "Oedipus Burning" so
he became a good sport about the incident...years later.

"You are just wrong in quoting yourself." Guess you
have more of my writings than I do, Nik. That's a good line,
if you are auditioning to be Dick Cheney's new speechwriter.

NIK ON THE PHOENIX:
> > As for the Phoenix, they were the last weekly to go
> "free" > > - they had to
> > make that move, that was the trend for weeklies - that
> they > > held out
>
> Of course they had to go that way, what businessman after
> 25 years of charging decides to give away his paper? none.

WELL, Nik, there you go talking about things you DON'T know about.
The Phoenix is financially more stable than Improper - here's some
info for you:

1)I've been published in The Improper Bostonian - had a column
under editor Rey Roldan which really p.o.'d your P.D. (who has
the letters that make up p.o.'d in his name!!!)

http://home.earthlink.net/~dkennedy56/phoenix_980911wbcn.html

2)The Phoenix was the last hold out. After 25 years of
charging who decides to give away their paper free? you ask?
Survey says: ALL OF 'EM (all the Players, anyway).

Improper Bostonian has had storied financial problems. The magazine
might look good but the quality -much like the quality of jocks on
WBCN since the heyday of Charles/Ken/Mark - sadly lacking.

You get what you pay for and Oedi's job was to cut payroll by
hiring away from college radio and FNX. Do you dispute that?
The Phoenix has a better writing staff than Improper - and
actually plucks away the better writers from Improper when they
choose to.

Did you ever achieve the same paycheck Mark got? Did you achieve
the same paycheck Ken got when you went to mid-days? These are
valid questions. Ken probably got more money when the dollar was
worth more than you got when it was worth less. I certainly know
the advertising rates on Ken's show (my label was a WBCN advertiser;
WBCN still owes me $50.00 in paid adtime, but c'est la vie)

NIK WRITES:
> They had to beocme free because the Improper forced them too
> and to this day is still looks better, you would never know
> the improper Bostonian is a free publication by looking at
> it, The PHoenix? it looks free.

Content is king. The Phoenix looks like The Phoenix. It is far more
valuable and is quoted more often. I don't even put Improper
Bostonian on my resume. Rolling Stone.com, VH1.com a bit more
impressive than "The Improper Bostonian". Heck, I'll use my U.K.
byline from Outlet Magazine before "Improper Bostonian" - even though
many in the states aren't aware of foreign zines.

Some people pad their resume, some people have more credits than they
can use. Oh, by the way, thanks for letting us know you had other
gigs on WBCN than just drive time. Nice of you to clarify, after
someone called you on it.

You make no sense. Please don't respond to this - it will look like
you are flaming...again.


I will give you credit that ZLX and BCN might not be changing.
That's your world; the world of The Phoenix and Improper Bostonian
is something you are - obviously - not privvy too.

I would never cheat an audience out of a good interview for a
stunt the boss demanded:

http://home.earthlink.net/~dkennedy56/phoenix_980911wbcn.html

but that's why your boss never got along with me. Someone being creative
and having an independent thought is not something the former P.D. was happy with.

That's why, on a worldwide level, more people have read my writings than
have ever heard the nonsense that individual used to broadcast.
Key words: used to.

NIK RAMBLES ON
They havent even bothered to
> update the presentation or the actual physical paper itself.
> They're giving it away because the desire for it was not
> great enough to sell it anymore, so how does that differ
> from what i initially said?.
> >
> >
> > I dont know
> > > anyone that could have ended up in Parenteau's
> situation,
> > > that is just EVIL.
> > >
> > > Phoenix writers? so few people are even reading the
> > Phoenix
> > > hence it's had to become a free paper after being for
> > sale
> > > for almost 25 years and there's no way in hell that they
>
> > > would be able to do talk radio on any other station
> > besides
> > > Boston Phoenix Radio, who doesnt know that one?.
> > >
> > > The bottom line is that WBCN is not changing formats
> > anytime
> > > soon,, WZLX is not changing formats anytime soon,
> that's
> > > about it.
> > >
> >
>

 

[NotoriousN-I-K]

Re: BLOW ME UP TOM, Boston Phoenix Radio,etc

> NIK SAYS
> > Actually that is nothing like what you said. You made
> > excuses for Parenteau and his "demons" but said that they
> > did NOT negate anything he did on air in his glory. You
> are
> > just wrong in quoting yourself.
> > >
>
> FCC REPLIES:
> ????????? See my previous post about Parenteau's excesses.
> Major talent, misguided personal life. Of course when some
> booking agent dared me to "card Mark's boyfriend" at the
> Paradise one night the manager chewed me out. But it was
> funny!
> Mark had that "How dare you" look when I carded the dude
> (he was OF age!, by the way)
>
> I sent him a copy of a book called "Oedipus Burning" so
> he became a good sport about the incident...years later.
>
> "You are just wrong in quoting yourself." Guess you
> have more of my writings than I do, Nik. That's a good
> line,
> if you are auditioning to be Dick Cheney's new speechwriter.
>
>
> NIK ON THE PHOENIX:
> > > As for the Phoenix, they were the last weekly to go
> > "free" > > - they had to
> > > make that move, that was the trend for weeklies - that
> > they > > held out
> >
> > Of course they had to go that way, what businessman after
>
> > 25 years of charging decides to give away his paper? none.
>
>
> WELL, Nik, there you go talking about things you DON'T know
> about.
> The Phoenix is financially more stable than Improper -
> here's some
> info for you:
>
> 1)I've been published in The Improper Bostonian - had a
> column
> under editor Rey Roldan which really p.o.'d your P.D. (who
> has
> the letters that make up p.o.'d in his name!!!)
>
h> ttp://home.earthlink.net/~dkennedy56/phoenix_980911wbcn.html
>
>
> 2)The Phoenix was the last hold out. After 25 years of
> charging who decides to give away their paper free? you
> ask?
> Survey says: ALL OF 'EM (all the Players, anyway).
>
> Improper Bostonian has had storied financial problems. The
> magazine
> might look good but the quality -much like the quality of
> jocks on
> WBCN since the heyday of Charles/Ken/Mark - sadly lacking.
>
> You get what you pay for and Oedi's job was to cut payroll
> by
> hiring away from college radio and FNX. Do you dispute that?
>
> The Phoenix has a better writing staff than Improper - and
> actually plucks away the better writers from Improper when
> they
> choose to.
>
> Did you ever achieve the same paycheck Mark got? Did you
> achieve
> the same paycheck Ken got when you went to mid-days? These
> are
> valid questions. Ken probably got more money when the
> dollar was
> worth more than you got when it was worth less. I certainly
> know
> the advertising rates on Ken's show (my label was a WBCN
> advertiser;
> WBCN still owes me $50.00 in paid adtime, but c'est la vie)
>
> NIK WRITES:
> > They had to beocme free because the Improper forced them
> too
> > and to this day is still looks better, you would never
> know
> > the improper Bostonian is a free publication by looking at
>
> > it, The PHoenix? it looks free.
>
> Content is king. The Phoenix looks like The Phoenix. It is
> far more
> valuable and is quoted more often. I don't even put
> Improper
> Bostonian on my resume. Rolling Stone.com, VH1.com a bit
> more
> impressive than "The Improper Bostonian". Heck, I'll use my
> U.K.
> byline from Outlet Magazine before "Improper Bostonian" -
> even though
> many in the states aren't aware of foreign zines.
>
> Some people pad their resume, some people have more credits
> than they
> can use. Oh, by the way, thanks for letting us know you had
> other
> gigs on WBCN than just drive time. Nice of you to clarify,
> after
> someone called you on it.
>
> You make no sense. Please don't respond to this - it will
> look like
> you are flaming...again.
>
>
> I will give you credit that ZLX and BCN might not be
> changing.
> That's your world; the world of The Phoenix and Improper
> Bostonian
> is something you are - obviously - not privvy too.
>
> I would never cheat an audience out of a good interview for
> a
> stunt the boss demanded:
>
h> ttp://home.earthlink.net/~dkennedy56/phoenix_980911wbcn.html
>
>
> but that's why your boss never got along with me. Someone
> being creative
> and having an independent thought is not something the
> former P.D. was happy with.
>
> That's why, on a worldwide level, more people have read my
> writings than
> have ever heard the nonsense that individual used to
> broadcast.
> Key words: used to.
>
> NIK RAMBLES ON
> They havent even bothered to
> > update the presentation or the actual physical paper
> itself.
> > They're giving it away because the desire for it was not
> > great enough to sell it anymore, so how does that differ
> > from what i initially said?.
> > >
> > >
> > > I dont know
> > > > anyone that could have ended up in Parenteau's
> > situation,
> > > > that is just EVIL.
> > > >
> > > > Phoenix writers? so few people are even reading the
> > > Phoenix
> > > > hence it's had to become a free paper after being for
>
> > > sale
> > > > for almost 25 years and there's no way in hell that
> they
> >
> > > > would be able to do talk radio on any other station
> > > besides
> > > > Boston Phoenix Radio, who doesnt know that one?.
> > > >
> > > > The bottom line is that WBCN is not changing formats
> > > anytime
> > > > soon,, WZLX is not changing formats anytime soon,
> > that's
> > > > about it.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> my God it's the Holidays, just stop already!. You're just so predictable.