For god's sake why? No one but George W. Bush has ever gone farther with less talent. He is beyond unlistenable, and has made a far better living for himself fooling clueless radio operators into paying him than he ever could have done doing anything else.Capulet said:
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WKNR's major announcement
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vjm said:
Plug Rome in-between Rover and Alan Cox (repeat Rome's third hour at 11am; live 12pm-3pm), and WMMS will sew up the younger demos for a long time to come. Plus it would give Cox a far better lead-in than the current music selection.
That would more than make up for the lack of an all-sports station in the CC stable.
The idea of putting Rome on WMMS is intriguing...and Premiere/CC is probably not at all happy with losing Rome's first hour on the big signal, and who knows if they'd force the issue, but...
I don't see it happening, even if the contract with WKNR up fairly soon.
Yes, WMMS has drive-time talk, with Rover in AMD and Alan Cox in PMD. Yes, it does well for them.
But 100.7 is still positioned as a rocker...a lifestyle rock/talk station. Rome would do well with that audience, and it's an intriguing possibility, but, there goes their rock positioning.
There are still all the other problems we talked about with an FM sports station, back when we were kicking around the prospect when 106.5 was stunting.
Man, this feels like a colossally bad move for the folks at the Galleria. Yeah, I get the fact that some folks don't like Rome...but he's been a bedrock of that station, like him or no. It's almost a local station for him, for crying out loud, almost like Hannity on WABC or Rush on KFBK.
As far as WARF goes, the signal is not quite good enough to market as a Cleveland station. Not QUITE. You can bet Keith and company will get a nice Cleveland ratings bump, though...and in Akron itself, when all those clones stop hearing Romey at noon on 850. (There are a LOT of people who listen to Rome on 850 in Akron. Hope CC has some empty billboards they can flip...)
BTW, our friends at South Avenue in Youngstown chime in to remind us that some listeners on WKNR's eastern flank, outside the range of Puny 1540 KNR2 (our wording, not theirs
), can pick up Rome on "The Sports Animal", WNIO/1390...
I don't see it happening, even if the contract with WKNR up fairly soon.
Yes, WMMS has drive-time talk, with Rover in AMD and Alan Cox in PMD. Yes, it does well for them.
But 100.7 is still positioned as a rocker...a lifestyle rock/talk station. Rome would do well with that audience, and it's an intriguing possibility, but, there goes their rock positioning.
There are still all the other problems we talked about with an FM sports station, back when we were kicking around the prospect when 106.5 was stunting.
Man, this feels like a colossally bad move for the folks at the Galleria. Yeah, I get the fact that some folks don't like Rome...but he's been a bedrock of that station, like him or no. It's almost a local station for him, for crying out loud, almost like Hannity on WABC or Rush on KFBK.
As far as WARF goes, the signal is not quite good enough to market as a Cleveland station. Not QUITE. You can bet Keith and company will get a nice Cleveland ratings bump, though...and in Akron itself, when all those clones stop hearing Romey at noon on 850. (There are a LOT of people who listen to Rome on 850 in Akron. Hope CC has some empty billboards they can flip...)
BTW, our friends at South Avenue in Youngstown chime in to remind us that some listeners on WKNR's eastern flank, outside the range of Puny 1540 KNR2 (our wording, not theirs
), can pick up Rome on "The Sports Animal", WNIO/1390...OhioMediaWatch said:
That's true, although their most listened to programming (Rover, Cox, the Cleveland Browns) are all spoken word. For a long time, the midday hours have been low-rated, so this would be a big upgrade for them.
And... lest we forget WMMS' other positioner, the aforementioned "Buzzard."
OhioMediaWatch said:
I would emphasize that the rock programming would remain in evenings and overnights. They don't have to plug in Fox Sports Radio... there's no need. I would liken it to how CBS Radio programmed WHFS/FM in Baltimore for a few years in the early '00s - hot talk in the day, and rock music at night. It would still fit the programming schemata of the station.
OhioMediaWatch said:
I never ever thought that I'd see a programming move as dumb dumb dumb as "Jerry Springer replacing Glenn Beck" on WTAM... or flipping "Jammin' 92.3" to "Jammin' Oldies." We may have a new winner in total ineptitude.
Rome rarely takes these things LIGHTLY. Heck, when he was on WTEM/Washington back in the late 90s, he gave them grief OTA on a daily basis for preempting his first hour in favor of Tony Kornheiser (which WTEM originated and fed to ESPN Radio by then).
What's the over/under on Premiere taking the contract and tearing it to shreds?
Rome on the Buzzard would be an oustanding fit actually.
WMMS is a radio man-cave (Rover, Cox, Browns, rock), Rome would fit in there like a glove.
M-F, talk from 6a-7p, rock from 7p-6a. All rock on the weekends. Browns and a few Tribe/Cavs games.
We have to get the thought of 100.7 as a pure rock station out of our heads, It's a male-oriented man-cave station which rock is a big part of.
Rover/Rome/Cox would be huge.
WMMS is a radio man-cave (Rover, Cox, Browns, rock), Rome would fit in there like a glove.
M-F, talk from 6a-7p, rock from 7p-6a. All rock on the weekends. Browns and a few Tribe/Cavs games.
We have to get the thought of 100.7 as a pure rock station out of our heads, It's a male-oriented man-cave station which rock is a big part of.
Rover/Rome/Cox would be huge.
Dave Sarnoff said:
Dave,
Got it. Wonder if this is the common opinion? Munch after all spent most of his career as a promotions director. He loves sports.
So let me amend my post. Forget the person involved. Let me just say it sure sounded stupid to be promoting a morning show on a station no one can hear.
I agree (again) that Rome would be a good fit on 100.7 (he even plays rock music bumpers). I just don't know if it's an automatic move for Oak Tree, though losing marketwide clearance for Rome's full show for the first time EVER might get some people looking into it.
Nathan asked what it would take for Premiere to "tear up the contract" with Good Karma.
My guess is that if there's a clause allowing them out of WKNR due to something like the station ending a full, live clearance, there's no way CK makes the move he made on Friday. Dumping Rome off to 1540 for hour one is, well, pretty dumb, but I don't think he makes that move if he risks losing the entire show.
The move is bad for more than just shuttling the first hour of one of your most popular shows off to "Radio Siberia", as I called it.
Even if WWGK had 50 kW and an equivalent signal to WKNR, you're disrupting TSL. Why would a Rome fan go back and forth between 1540 and 850 to catch his whole show, when they could (in much of the market) just pop on 1350 at 12 noon and stick with it until 3?
After a few hours of sleep, this still looks bad.
Nathan asked what it would take for Premiere to "tear up the contract" with Good Karma.
My guess is that if there's a clause allowing them out of WKNR due to something like the station ending a full, live clearance, there's no way CK makes the move he made on Friday. Dumping Rome off to 1540 for hour one is, well, pretty dumb, but I don't think he makes that move if he risks losing the entire show.
The move is bad for more than just shuttling the first hour of one of your most popular shows off to "Radio Siberia", as I called it.
Even if WWGK had 50 kW and an equivalent signal to WKNR, you're disrupting TSL. Why would a Rome fan go back and forth between 1540 and 850 to catch his whole show, when they could (in much of the market) just pop on 1350 at 12 noon and stick with it until 3?
After a few hours of sleep, this still looks bad.
The initial part of this move has been very successful. This initial part, of course, is the major announcement itself. It got so many people talking and talking about it. Therefore, WKNR stays at the top of people's minds for an extended period of time. It also, most likely, increases listening to the station. That's good for business (station and advertisers). If they're going for more bombshell's, one that would put more 'wood-into-this-fire' would be to suddenly and dramatically go back on this first announcement and put Jim Rome's show back at 12 noon. That ought to be good for another 5 pages of Radio-Info forum talk, whether it happens right away or later.
johnbasalla said:
I live in Cleveland and haven't heard one person talking about it. And there is no apostrophe in bombshells. Just sayin'.
Really, pages of discussion on a radio geek message board, or talk on a blog mostly directed at those in the business, doesn't mean much.
But the social media aspect may be another story. Triv's tweets aimed at Rizzo got the attention of Cleveland Scene's website, for one. It may be the 2011 version of an old-fashioned radio war, albeit one where the hosts won't actually be competing like originally thought.
But the social media aspect may be another story. Triv's tweets aimed at Rizzo got the attention of Cleveland Scene's website, for one. It may be the 2011 version of an old-fashioned radio war, albeit one where the hosts won't actually be competing like originally thought.
For what it's worth, though, I do expect a spike in OMW traffic right around noon on Monday, when "The Really Big Show" doesn't give way to Jim Rome on 850. Google searches on radio changes drive our biggest traffic spikes.
Too bad I'm not making any money off the thing!
Too bad I'm not making any money off the thing!
You're right, "bombshells" doesn't have an apostrophe. Don't know why I did that.
I know some guys at where I work who are everyday WKNR listeners. Mr. Goldhammer gets under their skin too, but they keep listening. Sometimes I think that they actually want to hear from Aaron as he's an easy target, and they can make themselves feel superior to him and kind of pat themselves on the back with how better the show would be if they were on it themselves because Mr. Goldhammer's so bad. It's not unlike enjoying a grade Z movie because, in your dreams, you just know you'd do better.
I know some guys at where I work who are everyday WKNR listeners. Mr. Goldhammer gets under their skin too, but they keep listening. Sometimes I think that they actually want to hear from Aaron as he's an easy target, and they can make themselves feel superior to him and kind of pat themselves on the back with how better the show would be if they were on it themselves because Mr. Goldhammer's so bad. It's not unlike enjoying a grade Z movie because, in your dreams, you just know you'd do better.
johnbasalla said:
That may be the missing link for tRBS: MST3K-style riffing on Goldhammer! (If Mike, Joel and the Bots could do it to Joe Don Baker here and here, they could do it to anyone!)
That being said, WKNR certainly got attention. But if it's in the manner of severely screwing over the highest-rated and longest-running show on the station - and one which got tRBS national exposure, no less - the anger and ill will incurred really result in it being a Phyrric victory.
Clearly, the price Craig and co. will pay in terms of P.R. made this move unnecessary.
You have to wonder if CK thought, "but they can still get Rome on my other station". Bad, Craig, bad!
You're shuttling off what really is your signature show (not Rizzo, but Rome) to a signal that is a rumor in many areas with potential listeners...i.e. nearly the entire west side, and eastern suburbs that are not in the inner suburban ring (pretty sure WWGK isn't listenable in places like Solon).
Meanwhile, an express train out of Akron will carry the entire show to a lot of those same people.
Maybe this is a move he could get away with before WARF picked up Rome, but he's still messing with the Jungle Karma either way.
You're shuttling off what really is your signature show (not Rizzo, but Rome) to a signal that is a rumor in many areas with potential listeners...i.e. nearly the entire west side, and eastern suburbs that are not in the inner suburban ring (pretty sure WWGK isn't listenable in places like Solon).
Meanwhile, an express train out of Akron will carry the entire show to a lot of those same people.
Maybe this is a move he could get away with before WARF picked up Rome, but he's still messing with the Jungle Karma either way.
When I was a kid, I used to listen to WABQ 1540 AM with no problem on my tiny transistor radio in Berea. I remember walking around somewhere even further south-west of Olmsted Township and picking it up just fine. I enjoyed listening to the R&B music, some of which would eventually pop up on the Top 40 station, WIXY 1260. Then the other kids in Middle and High School would wonder how I always knew about these songs before any of them did. One case in point: The Moments had a Top 10 hit with "Love On A 2-Way Street" during the first half of 1970. Later in the year, "All I Have" was released, and was being played on both R&B stations, WABQ and WJMO. Knowing that most of these kids never heard the song, because they probably didn't even know those stations existed, I went to some of them and asked: Hey! Have you heard the new Moments song, you know, from the group that did "Love On a 2-Way Street"? The answer was no. So then I told them it was slow and soft like "...2-Way Street", but a little more dramatic. Then I hoped the song would eventually be heard on WIXY. Unfortunately in this case, "All I Have" never made it out of R&B-only status. Not being a big fan of The Moments (a decade later re-christened "Ray Goodman and Brown"), I can say that my favorite song by them was a modest R&B hit that never made the "Hot 100", "To You, With Love".
Of course, John, the big difference is that the AM band has become a lot noisier, and 1540 is not nearly as audible (with a modest, small transistor radio) in Olmsted Township as it was back then. You can probably still hear it, but it's not a competitive signal out in the burbs.
There were a number of differences back then. During this time of year, WABQ had to sign off at exactly sundown, 5:00pm. Now the station signs off later, I believe. When WABQ went off-the-air back then, I never heard any other station on that frequency. To save AM radio, wouldn't owners want to fix that "not nearly as audible (...) ... as it was back then? What's more to blame, bad upkeep on equipment or more noise generated by modern broadcast techniques (ie: IBOC). When did "back then", as you put it, end and the bad modern days with a lot more noise begin?
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