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WKSW move to Enon approved

@Kevin

You really are mis-informed in your facts on Kiss Country. Nick was PD for only 5 years in the 90s, when country was at its peak. Kiss Country NEVER hit a 3 share in 12+, at best, a high 2 share. I'm not saying Nick didn't do a good job, but he was also being told what to do by Nick Anthony & Associates consultants and GM Roger Mackall. Kiss Country has always gone back and forth with K99 for Clark County numbers and stayed #1 in Champaign County through their tunure. Kiss Country has always been a victim of diary placement. Their Dayton metro numbers came from Clark County and possble outskirts of listeners in Greene and Miami, etc. Kiss Country had always continued to grow under new management and owners. Money was invested and they were the hometown country station. Most recently, Kiss Country had a 2.2 share in Spring 10 and 2.5 share in Summer 10. Fall took a slight dip, but Clark & Champaign County numbers and revenue stayed strong with just Lee Riley and Andy Lawrence on the air.
 
You are absolutely right Radio 24-7, Kiss Country has held it's own for the past 5 years with Lee Riley at the helm and Andy in the mornings. They did an outstanding job and will be missed on the air. Thanks Lee and Andy for a great job!

[EDIT] Nick Roberts any harder on the bum? My god man, get a room. Nick is nothing more the Cox's yes man for Dayton and thats about it. Cox runs their own company with a ton of consultants and a design for what does well. I don't know Nick but I hear Cox stations all over America in my travels and they are all programed the same and seam to do well in each city. All Im saying is don't build some local programer up as the second coming, because he's just been lucky. I mean really, who has ever had the money and power to challenge K99? The River 103.9? Buckeye Country 106.5? Kiss Country? It's all about the cash flow, because if it was personality...all the other stations would have won hands down. Thats my two cents on this matter.


[EDIT-inflammatory]
 
I'm not taking up for anyone here, but most every station in town takes direction from Consultants. Consultants give directions for how to make your station money, what to play, etc., but the local PD has to execute said plan. Let's compare this to the construction industry...You have your architect who draws up the blueprints, and then it is the job of the construction workers to build said building. One can't function without the other. I'm sure there are a lot of PDs out there that have been given direction by their consultants but didn't listen, and their station probably ended up in the tank. A lot of great PDs over the years have taken direction from consultants. I know Z-93 used the same Vallie and Richards firm that launched Click.
Also...no need to get angry over a radio board post...we're all just here to have fun and discuss radio. Sounds like someone forgot to take their medication this morning. ;D
 
@alan613....There was no anger expressed in my post...I was simply making a point as to Kevin's rant about his buddy. Idol worship is fine, but don't make the guy out to be the sole hero of a station that he is just a part of and not the creator. K99 was doing great before Nick got there and will be just fine when he's gone. Thats reality in this world.

We have had 4 different CEO's at AT&T since I have been here and the company is still the same, no one person makes the company, it is a huge group effort. Just like radio. I personally enjoy what Mainline has done in my hometown and wish them luck with Click 101.5, I also still love WTUE and think it still Rocks Dayton after all these years. K99 wins by default in the country market, hopefully Clear Channel will step back up and do it right this time.
 
udfan07 said:
From Radio Insight.com:

101.5 Clicking Into Dayton
Main Line Broadcasting’s “Kiss Country 101.7” WKSW Urbana, OH is on the verge of completing its move-in to the Dayton market along with a frequency shift to 101.5, a new city-of-license in Enon, OH, and a new format.

The station will become “Click 101.5” with an Modern AC format similar to the recently launched KLCK-FM Seattle. Click1015.com was registered anonymously in late February, however the Twitter account @click1015 features a listing for the Dayton area while trying to mask itself as being connected to the aforementioned KLCK-FM.

We’ve also heard from a contributor that the new format was inadvertently playing on the station’s webcast for a bit yesterday.

The Consensus here is?:

#1 The Main Line consultant set up the Click 101.5 Twitter page, that initially linked to the KLCK-FM Seattle aka Click 89.9 page to fool
the competition that may have stumbled upon it. Saw this myself last Wednesday evening on the Click 101.5 page.

The Maine Line consultant was also setting ups it's new streaming website for Click 1015 when some of us heard it here last Wednesday evening
at this streaming link:

http://radiotime.com/station/s_30409/Kiss_Country_1017_1015.aspx

http://radiotime.com/station/s_30409/Kiss_Country_1017_1015.aspx

which now defaults to:

http://radiotime.com/station/s_30409/Click_1015.aspx

My point is this was a legal link and not a illegal/bootleg audio stream we heard of Click 1015 Wednesday night. One person suggested it was an illegal link because Kiss Country had never streamed before.
That person didn't take into account Main Line may have had plans to stream the new format Click 1015 which we know they dis have those
plans.
 
Kevin here (and I have identified myself before under this post's name).

To: Radio 24-7, Doodical and whoever:

I stand by my earlier post. My purpose in writing it, despite how some of you would care to characterize it, was not to kiss the boss's rear end, but to tell a part of the Kiss Country story that should be told.

What I posted has been verified to me by a number of former WKSW employees, including one whom Nick Roberts fired.

Russ Shafer, as I noted, got it started. Nick was employed at the station from 1987 to 1997, when he moved to K-99.1 as Assistant PD. He was not the PD all that time, but was for about 5 years. When Russ left and Nick took over, he tightened the station down, added format clocks, imaging, tightened the library, added additional formatics, and no...Nick Anthony had little, if anything, to do with it.

Kiss Country went from a 0.2 share to a 2.7 share 12 plus in one book. Recently, Russ Shafer visited all of us at the Cox Building, and Nick apologized to him for doing all of these things before Russ actually left the employ of the station. Russ replied, "Don't apologize...it needed to be done and you were right to do it."

Nick took the station's imaging to new heights. Kiss Country back then sounded just as good as a CHR station in markets like Cincinnati, and Columbus, and were a step above the "average" country stations for that time in terms of sounding good to the ear. Listen to an old aircheck, then one of the station recently, there is absolutely no comparison. Period. And, his decision to "superserve" Clark and Champaign Counties was right, and done well.

Yes...the station cracked a 3 share more than once. The poster who suggested otherwise is wrong.

Once Nick left, Joby Phillips did a good job at keeping the station going. I never suggested otherwise. I only suggested a slow, but perceivable downturn once Radio One and later Mainline took over. And a good hard look, not just at Fall-this and Spring-that, but at all the books in the past couple of years would show it. Kiss Country was beginning to lose its luster. Anyone can cherry pick ratings books to try and make a point. But. you don't just look at one or two books, you look at it over a wide period of time. In the past year, mornings showed numbers as low as a 0.2 25-54...and a 0.4 25-54 in another book (with a weekly cume of around 4,000)....a far cry from the numbers you get from a station in the high 2's and low 3's. And I know all about diary distribution...I've programmed a couple of rimshots, remember? I never suggested Kiss Country did not pop a 2 share...it did. But in the past year or so, the numbers began to wobble more than usual and go down. The station ranked 7th 25-54 in Clark County in a recent book.

Oh yeah...and how Nick got the job with Cox: I guess I can tell this now, because it's been almost 15 years. Cox did a study way back when, and the results came back they showed Kiss Country beating K-99.1 in a number of prime perceptional categories. That's why Nick got the job. Who told me that? The guy that hired Nick, Gerry McCracken. Since that, he has showed that he is an able programmer not only at country, but at newstalk and other
musical formats. And this a guy who, prior to being hired at Cox, never had worked at a "big" station before (think Springfield and Bellefontaine).

And I will dispute anyone who says Nick (or for that matter anyone at Cox) is a lackey taking orders from afar. Decisions are made locally. Yes, you bounce the ideas off a person or two...but music decisions at K-99 (and Eagle) are made locally, programming decisions are made locally. I'm not saying there aren't people in the mix...but the final decision is made here. And now that the company is getting even bigger, there's a bigger need for decisions to be made locally. The folks in Atlanta have little time to micromanage everything. Nick is today, about as far from "yes man" as you can get.

So why do the Cox stations sound similar? Maybe because...it works? But, all of the stations are not the same. Look at the playlists...there are differences. And being in so many markets, if "personality" would kick their butts, why, in so many cases doesn't it happen? Yes...not every station becomes a big winner. But most do.

Oh sure, there's something to be said about the money and the marketing. That's fair. But all the money in the world would not save a poorly programmed radio station. And that's been proven over and over and over again.

Lastly: This was not a "rant", nor intended to be. And yes, K-99 will be around when Nick is gone. But, they'll miss him...just ask anyone who works for him...or those over him. He was a smart programmer then, and today. I simply thought it was time to chronicle the work of a guy who did really well with a "hometown station" that got him to the big leagues in a way few others in this business ever get the chance. Nick was a big reason that Kiss Country became as big as it did. And I defy any of you to dispute that. That's all. Sorry that it bothers a few people in town.

And, where is Roger Mackall working today? Go up the sales floor of the Media Center....
 
Doodical: If you think Nick Roberts is just "lucky" then you need a check up from the neck up. Nick is a talented, intelligent Ops Manager and P.D. who makes his own luck through hard work and fantastic people skills. You couldn't be more incorrect in assuming that a local Ops Manager just does what the corporate boss says. Finding and hiring the right mix of personnel that can get the job done, creating and making budgets, buffering between local and corporate operations, implementing consultant advice in a positive way, we're talking major responsibility for 3 signals including the number 1 & 2 formats in this market, plus responsibilities in Lexington. I suggest you ratchet down your criticism of a man who you apparently know very little about. Talk to and listen to people who have worked with and for him and you'll find out you are very wrong. I am not knowledgeable on the little details of Springfield history, but I do agree with Kevin's view of Nick and his work ethic, knowledge and dedication to radio. I will now climb down off of my soapbox and order a pizza to calm my nerves.
 
I am sure Nick Roberts did a great job at Kiss Country. However, as a manager in radio whether a PD or GM I always felt it had to be a team effort to make it work. I can recall putting in what I felt where the right liners, music clocks etc but its the jocks that gave life to the formats.

Please tell me about the jocks that worked for Nick and their day parts. Did Nick also believe in high school sports on the air?
 
Well, I was going to stay out of this, but since Jason brought my name up...

Kiss Country was not a broken station when I arrived there to replace Nick at the start of 1998. As with most PDs, I just put my stamp on the station. And there is truth (not trying to step on anyone's toes here) that recently Kiss Country was "dumbed down", in my opinion. This may not have been a result of programming decisions, but budgetary ones: When I programmed KC, we had 4 full-time jocks and 4 weekenders, too. All Kiss Country had at the end, from my observations from afar, were 2 full-timers and one or two weekenders.

I've noted with saddness the format flip last week. Kiss Country was a much-loved station and a point of pride for many in Clark & Champaign counties. It is the end of an era for those communities and it was a great training ground for air talent and programmers coming up through the ranks. The competition with K99, as with any competition, makes one better.

Best of luck to those displaced due to last week's events.
 
To clear up the air staff at the end on Kiss Country, the only full timers left were Morning Host/Promo Director Andy Lawrence from 5:30AM-1PM(Some most likely voice tracked)and Program Director Lee Riley(AKA "Pops" from his days at 94.5 The Beat)from 1PM-7PM, some also likely tracked. The syndicated Lia show was on 7PM-Midnight. Part timers i'm not sure of. They also played Kix Brooks' Country Countdown Sundays 8A-Noon. Lee was let go on Friday...Andy is staying on the Sales staff from what I understand.
Wow, Joby Phillips is a name from the past...I remember seeing his name on weekly playlists on the old Radio and Records website. I also remember him leaving for 'NCI/'COL.
I didn't care for Kiss Country, but I am in no way a Country music fan. Living in Clark County, though, I followed it passively, mostly via the old R&R back in the day and then through their website and R-I. I do remember it was quite popular when I was in High School...at the height of the 90s "Country Boom". Then again, Z-93 was quite popular then as well. My, how times change.
 
@Tanksback, Jason or Kevin and anyone who's wants to read this post:

I do Not know Nick Roberts and never suggested I did, all I was pointing out is that One man does Not make a company. Case in point, Steve Job's is part of the Apple world and heads up the company, but there ary many workers who are passionate with what they do to make it what it is in the public eye. It's called a Team! Michal Jordan was only as good as the team around him. Get it? Nick might be a great guy, everyone might love him, but he's just one part of the team, not the whole team. As for when he's gone from Cox, he will be just another person who passed through the doors and did his job everyday (be it great, good or poor) not for me to say.

I will say this, no other country station made in in Dayton, Not because K99 is that good, but because nobody has had the money to fight them on an even playing field. Thats the facts!
 
I look at our postings as a group of friends talking about something we all have a passion for and that is radio. I realy enjoy it when one of us spends time putting down a comprehensive view of an issue.

Many of us may have left radio to make more money and gain more security for their family but I for one am very grateful we step back into the great world of radio each evening. If someone believes we should go to a TWITTER level of words then with al due respect this may not be for them.

Please keep the opinions and comments coming in as much detail as needed.
 
I go by the name z burns on here. My name is Steve Gilliland. I have worked at three radio stations at some point in my little radio career. I do not consider myself a professional, but I have a lot of passion about radio.
This conversation regarding Kiss-Country is well.... WOW.
Here was a little 3,000 watt radio station in Champaign and Clark counties that some say did a lackluster job, where she lost her shine, given all this press by myself and others. I want to say thank you. All arguments are proven by the fact of your posts. While she may have lost some of her luster, it was not because of lack of dedication by staff. But that the owners decided based upon their information to take another direction to bring value to their Dayton portfolio.
The last two men on the field, Andy Lawrence and Lee Riley, I know personally. Having worked with them in the past, they come to work day in and day out. Never complained and tried their best given what they were given to work with by management.
While I do not know many at K99 personally out side of Nick and Joe Demma, they two are as dedicated to their profession.

Radio is not a job to get rich by. Sure some make it big, but they are the few. Most work in the profession because of passion and love of the medium and the desire to good by others with the power vested in them via radio. Maybe it is to bring a smile to ones face, meet new people, love of music and how it enriches others, but it is not for the money. Sure it would be nice to get rich. But this is usually NOT the case. Consequently I have seen the hurt, disgust and anger by former co-workers fired not because they were bad at anything, but rather ownership see a salary to cut and not the person whose lives they turned upside down.

If you are just a broadcaster in an everyday situation, in most markets, you are doomed. Those who can multi-task, do more than one job, and are willing to go ten miles and be paid for one will succeed. Let us not forget those whom lost their jobs for budget cuts etc.

Kiss Country may have lost some of her luster. BUT Mainline did not invest in the product either. HOW do I know this looking in from the outside??
Seriously?? How many people were on the air there?? How much was spent on promotions?
When I worked there we had Nick and Robin in the morning, Brian in mid-days, Russ in the afternoon, Casey in the evening and good old Steve overnights. Now go from that to 2 people doing it all. Yes please go ahead and say the last two standing were to blame. Does it make one feel good that so much was on two peoples shoulders?? Blame one fireman for not putting out a fire quick enough when 6 were needed. A little short sided huh? Both men are probably hurt. So consider that before we decide to post things on here. They can read too you know and have feelings as well. Go ahead and say I am kiss their asses. I would rather kiss the ass of two men how at one point had my back when I needed it than from amateurs who visited a station and think they have inside information or work unrelated to the business and know not us personally.
Lee, Andy and others whom have been in similar situations in radio, this is for you.
Jason we know each other as does Nick and Joe. It is a shame that amateurs try to knock good people around with these ill placed comments. One guy thinks by visiting a radio station, he has inside info. And acted mad b/c the guy in the hall told him wrong about the switch with WKSW. It is laughable the arrogant ignorance.I understand your comments Jason and I know we agree on a lot. And have the same vision. I understand where you were going in explaining your comments. But there are those out there whom do not know what we know. And I am not going to let them influence my comments going forward. So don't worry if they don't get it because we whom understand things do.
 
There is something fishy about two names one person. It give another the ability to have an alias. So it may be misleading perhaps? Or fun to poke fun of others?
 
Release the minions!!!! The King wants to proclaim victory!! ;D ;D ;D!!
 
Andy Lawrence still has a gig...he has moved to Sales at Main Line/Dayton.
Lee was let go last Friday I believe.
I am not in ANY WAY slamming anyone on here. That's not my intention anyhow. I don't know Lee personally, but I have followed his Dayton radio career since he was on the-then WBTT/94.5 The Beat doing Mornings back in '96. I also remember he was doing Mornings at Buckeye Country/WBKI for awhile. Then I remembered after BC was blown up, he went to the then-Blue Chip cluster, first appearing on WING-FM filling in board opping on Bob and Tom, then later moving on to Kiss Country, where he remained until last Friday. Lee and Andy had a huge task on their hands in keeping KC sounding good. I wasn't a fan of the station, however, knowing a change in frequency was coming, I had been tuning in and out, even though I despised 99% of the music. I thought the music flowed well. The imaging had been the same for awhile but it fit the station. It was sad really to hear their last bit of imaging play before their final song on Friday, "Back To December" by Taylor Swift, proclaiming "For 23 years, Clark and Champaign County's Hometown Country Station". It was truly sad to hear that play. Then two minutes later the station blew up, and you know the rest. In the process, Springfield lost their last true radio station. WIZE is a repeater of WONE. WULM is a Radio Maria repeater. WDHT is licensed to Urbana. At least WKSW stayed in Clark County...but it no longer serves Clark and Champaign County. The 'KSW move basically ends any Springfield-foucussed programming. Sad, considering that here we once had a full-time Top 40 in WIZE, a full-time AC in WAZU(Pre-"Big WAZU" in the mid to late 80s), and TWO full-time Country stations in WKSW and the-then WBLY(Now WULM)...not to mention that just as recently as two years ago WULM was Classic Hits full time. Wow. Clark County stations are now fully absorbed into Dayton stations. Sad really.
 
Alan, you may want to check your timeline. I don't think Lee was a board op for Bob and Tom at WING. I'm pretty sure he was on 'BKI the same time that Bob and Tom were down the hall at 'TUE. Lee was on Oldies 95, then the Beat and Mix at the same time. 'BKI, I believe started around 1998 or 1999. B&T migrated to 'TUE in 1999.
 
engineer_dude said:
Alan, you may want to check your timeline. I don't think Lee was a board op for Bob and Tom at WING. I'm pretty sure he was on 'BKI the same time that Bob and Tom were down the hall at 'TUE. Lee was on Oldies 95, then the Beat and Mix at the same time. 'BKI, I believe started around 1998 or 1999. B&T migrated to 'TUE in 1999.
Not being smart, but you may want to check your timeline. Bob and Tom didn't go to 'TUE until August, 2001, when 'TUE took Bob and Tom to 'TUE, a few days before WING-FM blew up. I have the old Dayton Daily News articles around here somewhere about it in fact. Kerrigan and Kevin were on 'TUE in '99, followed later by Kerrigan and Kate(Burdett) for a little while in '01. They did their last show on July 31, 2001.
He did fill in on WING board opping for a few days before he went to WKSW. Amber H. was the main board op for Bob and Tom at WING-FM and was probably out for a vacation. Lee was just filling in. I didn't mean for it to come across as he was the permanent board op for B&T. I should've cleared that up.
I remember Lee filling in on WING around early '01 or so.
I don't remember Lee on Mix. He probably was. I know Jeff Ballentine was PD for Mix and The Beat around this time, so he probably had Lee do some stuff on both stations. I never really listened to Mix back then. My main stations back then were The Edge, Z-93, and The Beat(In '96).
 
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