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WRKOLD Sues Howie

more on Pahigian here...

And Cary Pahigian recalled

http://www.capecodtoday.com/blogs/index.php/Gadfly/2007/08/03/howdie_do_howie

Through this all my little voice keeps saying, "There is no way Cary Pahigian did not know of and approve every step of this dance in advance. After all, he is Howie's agent and business advisor." Like most WXTK alumni I take some grim satisfaction in the fact that Cary has not changed. He is still the charming, toxic little man we would all like to forget.
 
Pahigian may be older, but not changed in character. He's still a bad manager, with a Napolean complex, totally full of himself. This is first hand experience from working with him in recent years. The guy's a weasel who thinks he's much smarter than he actually is. But that's a GOOD thing for an "agent"...right?! Good luck Howie.


Keith321 said:
jimcutler said:
Whoaaa...Cary Pahigian is a first class guy. And I don't believe he is Howie's agent.

It was in the Globe that he is Howies agent. (You still don't believe it?)

RE: "Cary Pahigian is a first class guy." There are many people who would disagree with you. Although, I think most of those people are from the early part of Pahigian's career.

He was probably too young, inexperienced and immature for the positions he held in radio.

He's a little older, wiser and mellower these days...
 
Wiser and mellower? Not on your life. True story from Cary's Cape adventure: He asked a local guy who had established himself in the Cape media, without Cary's help, to interview for the Boch station as on-air talk talent. The two made a deal but at the last minute Cary decided the new guy should have a partner...no choice but to go along with it after reorganizing his life to accept the new job our guy was stunned when Cary said, "Of course, that cuts the package in half." Then the guy became the station star and Cary had to raise his pay by more than triple to keep him...also began to search for plan B.

Then the daily drama began. Cary is a little on the obsessive side of compulsive and he gives being cheap a bad name. He would poke his head into the talk studio during the morning drive talk show and ask, "Have you finished with the Herald yet?" Newscasters, sportscasters and talk talent were expected to buy their own newspapers...the station bought nothing...then Cary would scoff them up and read them as if they were his own.

Going to lunch with Cary: "They have great specials here...have one of the specials." Followed by, "You're not going to have desert, are you?"

Getting fired by Cary (also known as plan B): "Don't worry, I won't say you were fired for cause so you'll be able to collect unemployment." In fact, the talent stayed on the air for three weeks after being told he was out. Cary kept asking, "So, when is your last day?" so he could claim the talent had quit. Talent's response never varied, "You terminated me...you tell me when the day is." (St. Patrick's Day 1995) Then, oddly, the unemployment claim was challenged...fired for cause. Hyannis unemployment office said, "Here we go again, I've dealt with this character before." When asked by the Hyannis unemployment office to justify the challenge Cary flat out lied...and they knew it and allowed the claim, told him he could put it all in writing and there would be a formal hearing in ten days...under oath and recorded. Why didn't Cary want to do that? The truth was that Cary fired this guy to save money and then tried to make it look as if he had cause, and very serious cause at that. Cape Cod is a very small place. Cary has not been missed at all. He did not make friends here...well, there was that one blond in the newsroom, but maybe they just had a lot in common and one surviving talk host who needs remedial English instruction. "Good mahnin', how ah yah?"

My experience with Pahigian is first-hand. I understand that early in his Portland career one of his stations was offering sponsorships for farts. What class, what talent, what originality. First class guy? If only Judy Jarvis were still alive to tell her Pahigian stories. Would I ever believe anything he says? NO. Do I doubt that this deal he has cooked up for Howie is unethical and sleezy? NO. I just hope Howie does not get hurt in the frey. He is a good guy. Radio is a tough business...but does it have to be as evil as Cary makes it? I don't think so. By the way, when newsman Chris Barnes left Boch Broadcasting and went to another Cape station Boch broadcasting sued him under their non-compete, and won. Cary must have seen the light, finally.

Final story (pardon the long post, but this is a beauty): Boch bought a small cluster of Cape stations to add to WXTK. Some teenagers exressed their anger at the format change by cutting a cable that snaked along the ground from a satellite dish to the studio building. Boch (through Cary) posted an announcement in all the Cape media for a $10,000 reward fro information leading to the arrest and conviction of the perps. Our fired talk guy happened to hear a friend telling how his son knew who had done the deed. Talk guy told his friend about the rward, friend went to the police with his son, game over. Cary refused to pay the reward. He said it was not payable because the perps had surrendered to police but had not actually been what he considered 'arrested'. Informant sued and went to arbitration where Cary and Boch beat him down to less than half the amount they had posted. Yup, I guess you could say he is a first class guy. Cary tried to claim many, many, many thousands of dollars of damage to electronics as a result of the incident. Would you belive him?
 
Shouldn't the subject of this thread be changed to "Cary Pahigian is the Anti-Christ" ?? My word. If I didn't know better I'd think this guy killed babies. Everybody has a bone to pick with the boss. I've said it before - move on. You're not in high school anymore. Grow up and stop the bitterness.
 
wayneoliver said:
Shouldn't the subject of this thread be changed to "Cary Pahigian is the Anti-Christ" ?? My word. If I didn't know better I'd think this guy killed babies. Everybody has a bone to pick with the boss. I've said it before - move on. You're not in high school anymore. Grow up and stop the bitterness.

Well, conmsidering you are the ONLY one who had good things to say about Carey...and considering the multitude of stories that Carey has left in his wake....THAT should say something.

After people have been fired, their life and career have seriously been uprooted...all because of one small man....you think people should simply forget about it and "stop the bitterness"?

Nada! Carey is someone who should be branded with everyone one of his evil deeds.

He is a bad man.

Althought considering all the different people who have bad stories....and the ONE person who is here to defend him....that must mean we are all "the lazy, complacent losers of the industry ".

Right?
 
1) If you took the time to read everyone's posts, you'd see that I'm not the only supporter of Cary. 2) If you're going to bash the guy you should at least get the most basic fact correct - the spelling of his name. It's Cary, not Carey. But why be concerned with accuracy.

sp113 said:
Althought considering all the different people who have bad stories....and the ONE person who is here to defend him....that must mean we are all "the lazy, complacent losers of the industry ".

Right?
Come on. That's just too easy. I'll take the high road here and just say "no comment".
 
sp113 said:
Well, conmsidering you are the ONLY one who had good things to say about Carey...and considering the multitude of stories that Carey has left in his wake....THAT should say something.

After people have been fired, their life and career have seriously been uprooted...all because of one small man....you think people should simply forget about it and "stop the bitterness"?

Nada! Carey is someone who should be branded with everyone one of his evil deeds.

He is a bad man.

Althought considering all the different people who have bad stories....and the ONE person who is here to defend him....that must mean we are all "the lazy, complacent losers of the industry ".

Right?

having once by fired by a station helmed by Cary, there is momentary bitterness. there was also momentary bitterness over being fired by two other stations that had nothing to do with Cary, as well as being downsized out of a job at a station that also had nothing to do with Cary. but with the loss of any job - thru the decision of others - any broadcast professional has endured, there is bitterness. allowing it to control your life is your choice, not anyone else's fault.

there are those who either use or peruse these forums who opt to not join in. your assumption that silence in this particular case means agreement is very, very wrong.

analogous to this thread - why did Billy Martin keep going back to work for George Steinbrenner? there was some mutual level of belief or respect at work there - Billy to go back, and George to ask him back.

in 27 years of radio, i've had two program directors who actually sat down with me on a REGULAR basis with an aircheck to do a break-by-break analysis. one of them was Cary. if you're not a fan of his business dealings, okay - that is your opinion to hold and express. but he knows the sound of good radio.
 
Erie...

Not to pick a fight with you...but there are a lot of professionals out there who know the sound of good radio aside from Mr. P!

Unfortunately, they don't reside in the executive leather chair (like Cary does) and subsequently get dismissed before they can even get into the door to present their ideas!

And before you hit us with the famous: That's the way the radio business is right now---perhaps this is why so many local radio stations sound as tired as they do?! Any broadcast parrot can read off a liner card! I caught several of them crowing 'em out this past weekend. Maybe it's because there are very few program directors who give the few really talented part-timers the opportunity to communicate with and entertain their audience? .

Pre-recorded robots reading liner cards are so much more entertaining! :eek:

argytunes
 
argytunes said:
Erie...

Not to pick a fight with you...but there are a lot of professionals out there who know the sound of good radio aside from Mr. P!

Unfortunately, they don't reside in the executive leather chair (like Cary does) and subsequently get dismissed before they can even get into the door to present their ideas!



Pre-recorded robots reading liner cards are so much more entertaining! :eek:




fight's been picked. your horse is dead. please stop beating it?

1) liner cards. i've not read a "liner card" in over ten years. there may be suggested station positioners in a studio - but other than the "please read verbatum" contest/book promotion legal id copy, which you yourself once proudly read without considering yourself a "liner card reader," there are still stations that rely on its professionals to be just that.

2) other than Cary P or Harry Nelson, name one other program director for whom i've worked in 27 years who has given me a break-by-break critique of my airwork on a regular basis? i've worked for 7 different PD's in Boston and 10 in Maine. and i've ASKED for critiques - only to be told i "sound great - it's all good." on one of those occasions, i was fired less than 15 minutes later as the station was "going in a new direction"

3) yes, there are others out there who know the sound of good radio. i just haven't worked for or with them (yet). but my statement was not a blanket statement that there are not/were not others who know the sound of good radio. you've turned this into the Cary thing (again and again and again)

your impression of Cary in a leather chair dismissing you before you can get in the door - you offer NOTHING to pique his or any other manager's interest - all in the guise of "protecting your ideas." it's a catch-22 for which the outcome will never favor you. you state you have a great idea for radio - but share nothing of it other than to say it does not presently exist on the air in our area.

that said - your history with Cary is a bit darker than mine - and i understand your bitterness from an event that happened 24 years ago. oh wait - has it been that long already? where does the time go?
i too had a moment of unpleasantness under Cary's watch 19 years ago that did not wind up in court. and in a much more recent timeframe, had to eat a substantial amount of humble pie to regain employment in order to effectively keep holding up my end of the "family" bargain (paychecks is good - especially when there ain't no paychecks nowhere's else) while once again coming under Cary's area of responsibility.
 
Erie...

I'll repeat what I said earlier...in the radio business there's no honor among thieves! Any idea can be re-tooled without giving its original creator an ounce of credit! The proof is in the product...who is responsible...and whether the audience wishes to embrace it or toss it out with the trash! :eek:

You're more than welcome to come out swinging and beat my broadcast views to death! But why not spend an entire weekend (like I have many times) and listen to who is on the air and what they're saying! How many of the canned jocks sound canned? How many automation misfires have you detected? Who the hell can get excited about one unidentifiable announcer (from Boston) "shotgunning the weekend line-up" that completely goes over the heads of most listeners? [560 pulls this crap every Saturday and Sunday. Faster than a speeding bullet rattles off the names so quickly...I couldn't tell you one talk show host from another!

As far as a music format...any announcer or jock that pretends to know any format will impress casual listeners who have a radio station on in the background. But for others who are passionate (or love) a particular form of music or topic of conversation...the "great pretenders" are pretty easy to tell!

[What separates Matt Drudge from the rest of the pack?]

Sorry you feel I have nothing to offer of interest to Mr. P or any one of his local competitors. It's clear that you've been BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY YOUR EMPLOYER! So any type of objectivity is secondary to keeping your job?

Kissing butt is usually the term I'd use, but many former members of the I LOVE CARY PAHIGIAN Broadcast Club have done this in the past---with disastrous results!

Re-read this ENTIRE thread from the beginning if you don't believe me! ::)

argytunes
 
Jeez...all I said was that in my opinion Cary is a sleezy little twerp. I never impuned his programming skills. All these negative waves! It is undeniable that since his return to radio management in the early 1990's, after being a consultant for a while, he has served his masters well. Of course, his performance at WHDH was not what it had been at WBZ and we may never know about how the Philadelphia gig went. By the way, has anyone at WGAN asked if Howie's move to WTKK will mean any personnel changes up there? Should some of the local talent be nervous? Since the little P is still employed by Saga and since Saga has to know about his being Howie's agent, what plans does Saga have on how they will profit from all this? To date Howie has not set the world on fire in syndication (3 contiguous New England states and one major market). If sCary is contemplating a Howie national syndication he might do well to remember his advice to Gene Burns...all of which came to fruition. Now Gene is happily re-established as king of his piece of a major market with no national pretensions and a great career. A Clint Eastwood line comes to mind, "A man's got to know his limits." (or something like that)

And, lest anyone think otherwise, I like Howie Carr, I think. He has always struck me as a decent and fairly ethical guy, very down-to-earth, in a BMW/Wellesley sort of way. It is interesting that he wants to go to work for those evil people at WTKK who employed and stood behind Mike Barnicle when the Globe fired him and even Imus felt the need to defend him against charges of plagiarism. Howie makes a big deal of "felon-free radio" but has apparently changed his mind about "fiction-free journalism." Oh, well, one man's plagarist is another man's colleague. Howie can keep using his famous jab "those people on the other side of town" but now we will all have to look in the other direction. I guess that line works no matter what side of town offers you assylum. Why I even remember Howie tearing a strip off a certain Boston law firm for representing people and activities of which he disapprved...Mintz, Levin, etc., etc., etc., Popeo. But, when it his heinie in a sling where did he go for legal advice... Atty. Brett Cohen is a partner where? Flexible stuff, this moral superiority.
 
Cary almost sounds as bad as a fish named Bob. Did Cary have little media buyerettes on line as well? ;)

Erie_Lackawanna said:
argytunes said:
Erie...

Not to pick a fight with you...but there are a lot of professionals out there who know the sound of good radio aside from Mr. P!

Unfortunately, they don't reside in the executive leather chair (like Cary does) and subsequently get dismissed before they can even get into the door to present their ideas!



Pre-recorded robots reading liner cards are so much more entertaining! :eek:




fight's been picked. your horse is dead. please stop beating it?

1) liner cards. i've not read a "liner card" in over ten years. there may be suggested station positioners in a studio - but other than the "please read verbatum" contest/book promotion legal id copy, which you yourself once proudly read without considering yourself a "liner card reader," there are still stations that rely on its professionals to be just that.

2) other than Cary P or Harry Nelson, name one other program director for whom i've worked in 27 years who has given me a break-by-break critique of my airwork on a regular basis? i've worked for 7 different PD's in Boston and 10 in Maine. and i've ASKED for critiques - only to be told i "sound great - it's all good." on one of those occasions, i was fired less than 15 minutes later as the station was "going in a new direction"

3) yes, there are others out there who know the sound of good radio. i just haven't worked for or with them (yet). but my statement was not a blanket statement that there are not/were not others who know the sound of good radio. you've turned this into the Cary thing (again and again and again)

your impression of Cary in a leather chair dismissing you before you can get in the door - you offer NOTHING to pique his or any other manager's interest - all in the guise of "protecting your ideas." it's a catch-22 for which the outcome will never favor you. you state you have a great idea for radio - but share nothing of it other than to say it does not presently exist on the air in our area.

that said - your history with Cary is a bit darker than mine - and i understand your bitterness from an event that happened 24 years ago. oh wait - has it been that long already? where does the time go?
i too had a moment of unpleasantness under Cary's watch 19 years ago that did not wind up in court. and in a much more recent timeframe, had to eat a substantial amount of humble pie to regain employment in order to effectively keep holding up my end of the "family" bargain (paychecks is good - especially when there ain't no paychecks nowhere's else) while once again coming under Cary's area of responsibility.

 
argytunes said:
Sorry you feel I have nothing to offer of interest to Mr. P or any one of his local competitors. It's clear that you've been BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY YOUR EMPLOYER! So any type of objectivity is secondary to keeping your job?

Kissing butt is usually the term I'd use, but many former members of the I LOVE CARY PAHIGIAN Broadcast Club have done this in the past---with disastrous results!

Re-read this ENTIRE thread from the beginning if you don't believe me! ::)

argytunes

i have re-read the thread - and to this point, have not brought up that in the past five years, at your behest, that attempts have been made at obtaining gainful, full-time, benefits-laden employment at a station currently run by... oh, never mind.
 
By the way since Howie is trying to land what was the Imus slot on WTKK, I should mention that according
to that guy in the fedora, Imus has landed a $20M settlement from CBS...and may also get a show on
WABC (& poss. syndication). Not sure where he'd wind up here...maybe?

WRKO
mornings--Imus
midday--the Felon & Finneran or just the Felon
noon--talent on loan from oxys
3 pm--Feinburg, or Giles Threadgold, or Jerry Williams reruns (kidding!)
 
raccoonradio said:
By the way since Howie is trying to land what was the Imus slot on WTKK, I should mention that according
to that guy in the fedora, Imus has landed a $20M settlement from CBS...and may also get a show on
WABC (& poss. syndication). Not sure where he'd wind up here...maybe?

WRKO
mornings--Imus
midday--the Felon & Finneran or just the Felon
noon--talent on loan from oxys
3 pm--Feinburg, or Giles Threadgold, or Jerry Williams reruns (kidding!)

now - that's an interesting idea. imus in mornings. seriously - what would balance the WRKO programming in the afternoon? is there someone either on or just under the radar who could bring a fresh-yet-local thing to the air in Boston on PM drive?

what if Entercom is actually calculating an Imus return, and showing bluster to pretty much throw the competition off the scent. the D&C thing, actually, could be their ploy. lock them out, play it out, then toss Imus in the morning in as short a time as possible?
 
And now word comes that not only is Imus getting a big settlement from CBS, he also could be headed
to mornings at WABC (Curtis and Kuby getting low ratings...?) and maybe a syndie deal either by his
own people or a diff. company (TalkRadioNetwork? ABC/Citadel? Premiere?) Imus is no spring chicken
but who knows, WRKO could pick up a syndie I-man show...
 
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