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Alt 92.3 to Become WINS Simulcast
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I'm still advocating for anyone missing Alt on 92.3 to use streaming. Honestly, when I was using the radio apps (pre-subscribing to SiriusXM), I enjoyed Alt 98.7 out of LA. That's just my preference. There are Alt stations across the country. If you're using an old car with a cassette deck, they still sell the cassette to CD adapters online. Get that and (if you need) a USB-C to headphone jack (Android) or Lightning to headphone jack (iPhone), and you can stream to your car radio, just like when you bought your first Discman in 1995. 🤣
For it to fail, it requires WINS to also fail, which isn't happening soon.
I agree with BigA's take:
Even this is starting to be less of an issue, at least with in-car listening. Most car infotainment systems (from at least the past 8 years) allow for a preset bank that isn't bound to a band, meaning you can have AM and FM presets on the same preset bank.
Done and I amazed how far cell reception has improved while traveling as compared to the last time we lost Alternative in NYC.
These days I have been able to stream without drops out around mountains and rural areas where I normally would lose FM or have very bad reception. Streaming through my phone to my car stereo has not missed a beat. The quality now is also on par or superior to FM depending on the stream.
You would think radio would try to survive this by bringing something new to the table rather than going backwards by putting 1010 WINS on 92.3. Those demographics are going to age out and die, then what. People will already be accustomed to streaming and satellite services if they are not mostly already. The reputation of AM/FM formats will be and already is becoming too irreparably tarnished for anyone to come back to it.
Radio is not one thing.
Obviously I am referring specifically to those that own AM/FM properties. If you are referring to companies having streaming services, well they should do more to promote them using their AM/FM properties simply as advertising for their streaming services.
However for that work they would need to give people a reason to bother. 1010 WINS does not bring in the younger demographic that would listen long enough to even hear an advertisement for their streaming service.
You mean like iHeart, that owns WOR and also owns WLTW and Q104.5? You're taking one very specific station and extrapolating it to an entire industry. Radio is not one thing. Lots of stations stream their signal, and there was study just released that shows a lot of younger audiences stream FM stations.
Again, I was speaking of the state of AM/FM properties as a whole. WINS is one example. You are reading things in my posts that are not there. Again, I never said radio is one thing and in fact I went out of my way in my last post to make the distinction that the problem is with the state of terrestrial radio.
I am reading exactly what you said. You start out talking about WINS, and then say "You would think radio would try to survive this by bringing something new to the table." That's a left hand turn. As a general thing, lots of radio stations bring new things to the table every day. That was not the case with Audacy and WINS. But that one example only relates to that one example, not to all of radio. So if you want to limit your point to WINS, you would need to rephrase the comment to "You would think Audacy would try to survive..." Do you see what I'm saying? There are lots of radio companies that own both AM & FM stations that hardly ever choose to simulcast. So to use this one example and then expand it to all of radio is not correct. Audacy owns a streaming service as well, and its possible this move was designed to assist in its streaming of WINS. There are other things involved, and it's not as simplistic as you portray it.
Why should anyone want to stream an out-of-market FM station, likely with pre-roll ads, 12-minute commercial blocks and infuriatingly repetitive Radio Council PSAs on the stream when there are so many better limited-commercial and commercial-free streaming alternatives? I'm streaming more than ever but none of it is a commercial FM station.
New York radio has driven listeners away to non-radio alternatives and here we have a radio forum full of corporate radio cheerleaders yelling 'bravo!' It's insane. Meanwhile, the number of people using radio keeps going down in a way they'll never admit. Not even the radio discussion forums draw much of a crowd anymore, mostly a handful of the same people, that's how irrelevant radio has become. No wonder, there's nothing left on FM for me, or many others anymore.
That's not me. I encourage people who don't like commercials to listen to non-commercial radio. There are lots of great examples in the NYC area. People shouldn't limit the radio dial to commercial stations and then complain about the commercials. That, to me, is insane. Commercial stations are NOT going to cut their commercials. It's their ONLY source of income. But non-commercial radio is apparently very healthy, and people are doing themselves a disservice by ignoring it.
People here have been whining about the demise of a station they complained about and disliked for years. Meanwhile they have access to WFUV. I looked at their playlist today and was shocked to see that they play TWICE as many current alternative and active rock songs than WNYL ever did. They play a wide variety of rock styles and eras. They do so professionally and knowledgeably. All of the things the readers here wanted from WNYL. It's right there under your nose.
WFUV's signal is garbage. You can't get it in West Milford!
You can barely get it 5 miles west of the transmitter, anywhere in New Jersey. They shoot it all East, even though the coverage maps claim otherwise.
What about WDHA? What about streaming? If commercial radio is driving listeners to non-radio alternatives, why not stream WFUV? You guys are full of excuses. I'm listening to it right now.
Oh please. You know damn well I was referring to other AM/FM radio properties as well, said now for the 3rd time. I could say have you even bothered to listen to each station across the dial, but know you probably have and have blinders on since you are a cheerleader for the current legacy state of affairs.
There is not much there regardless of format to keep the under 40 crowd from fleeing to streaming services or satellite. Give it enough time the AM/FM bands will look like what Shortwave is now since they failed to adjust and it is obvious.
WDHA is a good mainstream Jersey rock station. Not my primary favorite kind of music but I'll listen if I drive out that way. I'm not going to make an effort to stream them though.
This has been discussed many times on this forum. Although WFUV plays some interesting currents, and sometimes good alternative tracks, it's a really difficult listen. Just when you think they're on a roll they drop a folk bomb, jam band or burned out classic rock track killing the momentum. WFUV still targets a base of rich OLD donors who will walk away if they don't hear their Dylan, Springsteen and Grateful Dead..
Big A, you're the one who constantly talks about radio needing to play consensus songs. WFUV ain't doin' it. Here's what they played for the past hour:
11/22, 5:38pm Black Out Days - Phantogram
11/22, 5:34pm All I Need To Hear - The 1975
11/22, 5:30pm Doo Wop (That Thing) - Lauryn Hill
11/22, 5:25pm Another Life Goes By (Mississippi Mix) - Christone "Kingfish" Ingram and Big K.R.I.T.
11/22, 5:22pm Want Want - Maggie Rogers
11/22, 5:19pm Friend Of The Devil - The Grateful Dead
11/22, 5:15pm Miles and Miles - The Heavy Heavy
11/22, 5:12pm Radio Nowhere - Bruce Springsteen
11/22, 5:07pm Should've Been Me - Mitski
11/22, 5:04pm You Never Give Me Your Money - The Beatles
11/22, 5:00pm Big Time Sensuality - Bjork
11/22, 4:56pm Where I Go - NxWorries
11/22, 4:51pm Angelene - PJ Harvey
11/22, 4:48pm Lemon Tree - Mt. Joy
11/22, 4:42pm Tangled Up In Blue - Bob Dylan
And yet the statistics say otherwise.
You obviously have not listened to the station and your post shows how out of touch your are.
There are better streaming choices for Alternative than WFUV which is only a part time Alternative station. They may play a few currents but the kids like to throw in some Classic hits and Classic rock mixed in with Alternative.
People whom want to listen to a full time Alternative station are not going to listen to WFUV. I get that the kids need to learn some how, but really come on now with this example.
I say that about commercial radio, not non-commercial radio. This is why I compare folks like you to Goldilocks. The porridge is either too hot or too cold. You want a mass medium to be like a personal audio device. It's never going to happen.
As I said, they play more current alternative and active rock than WNYL ever did. That is what the playlist shows. WNYL also played a lot of older stuff. Yet you want it to return.
You seem to think that because this is owned by a college that the DJs are kids. They're not. Dennis Elsas is on the air now. He is not a kid.
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