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Alt 92.3 to Become WINS Simulcast

HD is basically like this:

In an area where there is a first adjacent on one side, might have problems
First adjacent on both sides, limited if any signal. DX will cause this problem, as will translators.

Initially, HD Radio was licensed for about 1% of total power. Eventually they were given the go to boost to 5% of analog power. Stations that did not boost power from 1% to 5% will not have as good of an HD signal as the ones that did. Some of them are using older equipment. They're trying to get 10% but that will cause interference. It already causes a lot of interference on adjacents with 5%.

Basically they only care about the city grade area. Outside of that, the FCC will let interference run wild, and they don't care about HD reception outside of the city grade area. Boosting power to 5% has improved HD reception outside of the city grade areas, but it has also added interference to adjacents in neighboring areas. They can't do anything about that interference because the FCC no longer enforces interference outside of the city grade area. They used to force translators to shut down even if they interfered in fringe areas. 10% could really improve HD coverage in fringe areas based on what I've noticed from the 5% power bump, but it will also make a mess of adjacent signals. Some stations I believe will also have to upgrade to bump to 10% power. Only the ones who want to drop the money on it will do it. Audacy is already interested supposedly. New York will likely see 10% power at some point
I was in West Milford and 92.3 was in HD all on Route 23. Even parts of Vernon I could get it off 515. It cut out a few times in Wayne on my way up. What is the coverage map of HD signals?
 
HD is basically like this:

In an area where there is a first adjacent on one side, might have problems
First adjacent on both sides, limited if any signal. DX will cause this problem, as will translators.

Initially, HD Radio was licensed for about 1% of total power. Eventually they were given the go to boost to 5% of analog power. Stations that did not boost power from 1% to 5% will not have as good of an HD signal as the ones that did. Some of them are using older equipment. They're trying to get 10% but that will cause interference. It already causes a lot of interference on adjacents with 5%.

Basically they only care about the city grade area. Outside of that, the FCC will let interference run wild, and they don't care about HD reception outside of the city grade area. Boosting power to 5% has improved HD reception outside of the city grade areas, but it has also added interference to adjacents in neighboring areas. They can't do anything about that interference because the FCC no longer enforces interference outside of the city grade area. They used to force translators to shut down even if they interfered in fringe areas. 10% could really improve HD coverage in fringe areas based on what I've noticed from the 5% power bump, but it will also make a mess of adjacent signals. Some stations I believe will also have to upgrade to bump to 10% power. Only the ones who want to drop the money on it will do it. Audacy is already interested supposedly. New York will likely see 10% power at some point
The figure you want is 4%. Up to 10% is possible with a waiver. It isn't the city grade but rather, the protected contour. FM stations are not protected beyond that and anything that comes in is "bonus coverage". The same is true with digital but degradation of the signal isn't apparent until it's suddenly gone.
 
Why would Audacy go back to a format they ditched in 2017 nearly immediately when they took over CBS Radio? A signal-impaired rival going up against iHeart's combo of CHR/pop radio doesn't sound promising.
It wouldn't really cover your core areas. Plus Amp and Now did horrible against Z. I do feel the Block belongs on a full market signal.
 
It wouldn't really cover your core areas. Plus Amp and Now did horrible against Z. I do feel the Block belongs on a full market signal.
The reason i suggested CHR. Is because 94.7 would only have one copetitior. Instead of currently having to compete with 3 well established stations for the NYC urban audience
 
The reason i suggested CHR. Is because 94.7 would only have one copetitior. Instead of currently having to compete with 3 well established stations for the NYC urban audience
94.7 would directly compete with Z100, KTU which skews more CHR than what BDS decided is Hot AC, and would have to prevent cannibalization of WNEW. It’s a repeat scenario of why Now/Amp failed, but on a more limited signal.
 
The figure you want is 4%. Up to 10% is possible with a waiver. It isn't the city grade but rather, the protected contour. FM stations are not protected beyond that and anything that comes in is "bonus coverage". The same is true with digital but degradation of the signal isn't apparent until it's suddenly gone.
10% might help keep the HD 2-4 going further in the Grade B areas.
 
I think if WNYL would have stayed Alternative the billing would have decresed with its low ratings. What helped WNEW the most was WPLJ going off the air.
That can be expected when a station sounds like it on it's last legs.

It was the same well in advance of the the end of K-Rock years ago. The station got a bland repetitive playlist and talent went mostly silent. No buzz, like a walking dead zombie of a station. This causes people to leave in droves.

I wonder if that is due to management making the decision months in advance and then sabotaging what is left so the ratings and billings go down so the before and after picture of the format change ratings looks better. Thus something one can point to saying the change was justified.
 
I wonder if that is due to management making the decision months in advance and then sabotaging what is left so the ratings and billings go down so the before and after picture of the format change ratings looks better. Thus something one can point to saying the change was justified.

Or maybe it's due to the endless bashing and criticizing from so-called fans who berate the morning show, the music selection, and the PD to the point where it becomes easier to just shut the damn thing down. Except that here we are, more than a month later, and the complaining about a former station hasn't stopped.
 
Or maybe it's due to the endless bashing and criticizing from so-called fans who berate the morning show, the music selection, and the PD to the point where it becomes easier to just shut the damn thing down. Except that here we are, more than a month later, and the complaining about a former station hasn't stopped.
Amen.
 
My own personal prediction - and I've maybe speculated about it in these forums in the past - the popular AM stations will be the last standing on "radio". The delivery mechanism may change but those "stations", "media outlets" if you will, are likely to survive long beyond the current FM music stations. Music is a national/worldwide commodity available from hundreds of places. WINS, WCBS, WBBM, KCBS, KNX, KFI, WLW, WBZ, WFAN, WSCR, etc. still have significant local content refreshed daily which is not available elsewhere. This will continue to have value regardless of the medium used to deliver it. The AMs will end up moving to FM, there will be fewer music stations with that audience increasingly going to other options online.

Not saying I particularly like this prediction but but it just seems where things are heading.
 
The AMs will end up moving to FM, there will be fewer music stations with that audience increasingly going to other options online.

That may be for mainstream stations. But there's another completely different world of radio that a lot of people ignore. It's the world of ethnic and special interest programming that will grow and expand as the more established stations leave. The new owners will have access to the same facilities that millions of people once listened to. They will now use those facilities to reach their more specialized audiences. This change has already happened for most of the AM stations in NY.
 
That may be for mainstream stations. But there's another completely different world of radio that a lot of people ignore. It's the world of ethnic and special interest programming that will grow and expand as the more established stations leave. The new owners will have access to the same facilities that millions of people once listened to. They will now use those facilities to reach their more specialized audiences. This change has already happened for most of the AM stations in NY.

Good point. I picture these niche stations will end up moving fully to streaming at some point, though. If the current trend of many electric cars shipping without AM continues the stations on the band will have a problem worse than they have encountered to date. Maybe these specialized stations get more at home listening? Maybe some of these stations can come up with alternate sources of revenue like listener donations? Specialized formats may proliferate more on FM as well as younger generations shift increasingly online.
 
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