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Ch Ch Changes at MOViN

The email just went out that Pat Clark, morning jock, is out at MOViN, along with his producer Reiny.

What now? Is this the beginning of the end for the dreaded Allan Burns format in Seattle? Could the boys in Bellevue have a coup of snagging another Seattle morning show? Or is Mammaknowsbest prediction coming true of Monti in the morning?

Good luck to Pat, I know he is well respected in the chr community, shame he didnt sound like he did in airchecks of his I dug up online.

I am also sure that Reiny, formerly of Jackie & Bender, will to land on her feet, hopefully here in the Emerald City.
 
All I can say is....

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Jesus...enough is enough. Mamma, stay away this time with your girl-power rants. It's obnoxious.

Wow...a whole 6 months, huh? That's enough time to develop a morning show (sarcasm intended). I find it hard to believe that the morning show is the only daypart doing poorly on that station. I don't see anything appealing about ANY one of the jocks on that station.

It will be interesting to see how Maynard switches this up to save his hide from another bad book.

Good luck to Pat and Reiny. Sorry you didn't get more of an opportunity to develop. It seems like a lost cause all around for that station.
 
Obviously it wasnt a show. If thats what they wanted Im sure they would have hired a 'dick and jane' type.

I sensed they wanted a night/afternoon show in the AM. Which would make sense since Pat was a career night guy. And it makes sense with the rest of the market being full blown talk in the morning. Plus it seems like that is the main goal, shut up and jam, since every jock talks 4 times an hour for 10 seconds.

Here is my question. What now? Do they go the opposite and try to put on a full show? Or do they replace him with another one man band that spins the hits? Could the downward spiral have Maynard sweating now that the 'new station smell' is gone?
 
you're right seatac, the goal of the station is to be music intensive and provide an alternate to those that don't want alot of chatter in the morning. it doesn't seem smart to hire a full fledge morning show, because then you are really no different than your competitor at KUBE, not to mention they would be going up against one of the top morning shows in town in T-man, and that might not be the smartest move. Then again, how would hiring another one man/woman show and spinning the same tunes provide better ratings than what Pat was getting? It will be interesting to see what direction they go. One question I have is if T-Man and Jackie and Bender are locked up contract wise for a while or if their contracts might be coming up and Movin' is looking to grab one of those shows?
 
seatacpro said:
Here is my question. What now? Do they go the opposite and try to put on a full show? Or do they replace him with another one man band that spins the hits? Could the downward spiral have Maynard sweating now that the 'new station smell' is gone?

Do you think that Maynard pulls the strings for the station, or are you saying that he'll take the fall?
 
Problem was Movin didn’t know WHAT they wanted in a morning show. You are right…they did want music intensive at first, and if the personality caught on then the game plan was to expand into a show and not just a jock. But as far as how they wanted that person to sound they couldn’t explain. “We’ll know it when we hear it,” is what they said.

Of course I’m sure you can all understand the problem with that if they couldn’t describe to talent what they wanted because they didn’t know.

Actually the only direction they gave was “Just be sure to only talk about stuff that makes people feel good. They did also want a lot of listener interaction and the jock to “keep it movin’. Actually it’s a frustrating catch 22 being an on air jock. On one hand you have to do what your bosses tell you, and as a result if your ratings suck, then you’re the one that gets fired. On the other hand if you do what you believe is the best and it’s against what your bosses tell you to do you get fired. Most shows aren’t given the freedom to fail, and as a result they can never succeed.

As far as their market position being more music in the morning that’s fine but don’t take that position just because you’re afraid of the other morning shows in the market. How wussy is that? Everyone is beatable, but if you don’t try you’ll never win. In my market the leaders in all demographics in the morning are the shows that talk and play little if any music. That’s because if people want music they have CD players and MP3’s and satellite in their car. If they want to be entertained or informed about what’s happening locally they have radio.

Ratings always come at a cost. Whether that cost is dollars marketing the hell out of a show or whether that cost is complaint calls and taking heat for something your show does once in a while or losing some advertisers before you gain new ones, there is a price. Problem is most stations don’t want to pay that price.

I’ve always admired Howard Stern because he knew how he wanted to do radio and did it his way. He knew that he might lose the station advertisers but when the ratings were there more advertisers would come. Of course he got lucky along the way in that he was able to survive at a station long enough to get ratings before he got fired. That’s the tricky part, to get in, do your thing, and get ratings before you get fired because you’re not doing something management likes. Then keep you or fire you it doesn’t matter because you generate ratings and that equals revenue.

Sorry this was a lot longer than I had planned it to be but if you made it to this point you must have found it interesting.

18andlife
 
Just for the record, 18andlife, not me! ;D

But well put.

So, which former co-worker of mine are you?
 
Pat,

I'm not you? That's exactly what you'd say if I was you and you were trying to deny that I am you and you are I...OUCH! Pronoun headache!

Good luck. I've been fired around the Holidays four times in my career. I kinda' liked the extra Christmas vacation time with my family though.

Don't know where you're looking but that B96 gig in Minneapolis would be a great gig. The PD, Sam Elliot, gets it.
 
Pat,
Best you not know who I am, you'd find it ya ya funny. You never had a shot dude. MK waffled on the decision on mornings and then stuck you in a situation that was not winnable, mamma knows. Without promotion,, producer help or a committed ya ya effort to win mornings you were in an awful position. You know the dollars problem and you know the pissed off advertiser problem, but most of all mamma knows you did the best with what ya had. You will land on your feet and in a better place. The Movin format works well and Monti was a great hire, but you didn't get what you were promised in mornings and all on this board can sense it. mamma hates to see a great station begin to slip.
The music will overcome the mistakes, but it could have been so much more. As it is MOVIN remains ahead of KISS and closin in on KUBE 18-34. If they gave you what you needed, with the music behind you, you'd have been number one. ya ya sad. You are one of the only good male talents in town.
 
These changes are usually based on two factors: ratings or revenue. In the case of KQMV the revenue is fairly low and the morning ratings are below the rest of the station by a good margin. It is rarely only the fault of the talent that music stations fail to succeed. I would suspect music, marketing and the declining ratings of the MOVIN format are a factor, despite what Mamma believes.
 
Mamma loves old boss post. Monti and Brooke would own the market
Mamma hates djdan sales guy. You know nothing about programming. Ratings take ya ya time and revenue
will follow if sales types quit lookin at this board and spent time selling. Leave the programming to pros.

Go Monti and Brooke. Two women in morning drive. Mammaloves it!!!!
 
2 girl shows don't work. Women HATE other women, it's a fact. For a female targeted radio station to throw 2 girls on in the morning is a mistake.

Pat and Reiny got a really raw deal. Mammas right in that Pat never had a chance. They knew the day they brought him in that he wasn't the right guy and they just strung him along anyway. Reiny, who comes from producing the 5 hour Jackie and Bender gab fest, was told to produce a guy who talked over song intros. It was doomed from the start.

Keep your heads up guys.
 
jamesb said:
2 girl shows don't work. Women HATE other women, it's a fact. For a female targeted radio station to throw 2 girls on in the morning is a mistake.

Pat and Reiny got a really raw deal. Mammas right in that Pat never had a chance. They knew the day they brought him in that he wasn't the right guy and they just strung him along anyway. Reiny, who comes from producing the 5 hour Jackie and Bender gab fest, was told to produce a guy who talked over song intros. It was doomed from the start.

Keep your heads up guys.

please.. has anyone listened to Pat when he was on MOViN? Sorry but he totally sucked!

He was horrible... not trying to be rude, but, while it's not all his fault, being that he wasn't given a straight direction as to what they wanted, it's not all King Marc and Maynard's fault either... just bring back Mitch Elliott! LOL
 
Yeah, have to agree. Pat sucked. However, I think everyone was a little bit to blame. Evidenly he was a good night guy for CHR--I'd say it was their fault for hiring him. He doesn't fit the format AT ALL. Also, one man, a show does not make. He wasn't really promoted either..not that there was anything to promote. Saw this in the paper:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tv/344163_radiobeat20.html
 
So glad to see the intelligent commentary on a veteran like Pat..."he sucks" is barely a description of his talent. He's come from several markets in Illinois including Chicago, and had been to Milwaukee and Salt Lake City previously.

The only reason that "he sucked" is because the suits didn't know what they wanted. But they knew what they DIDN'T want. Therefore, the show was doomed from the beginning. To be going up against shows like T-Man and Jackie and Bender, they were trying something that had not proven to be succesful ANYWHERE...a music-intensive, limited-talk morning show. Pat's got a girlfriend who is in radio as well and a baby, and a producer in the demo...you think he couldn't relate to the audience? I doubt it.

And it is true...women hate other women. The show would have a chance if it was just ONE chick, perhaps if Pat had a female co-host? But two women together...not going to work. Word is they put a part-timer in afternoons? Good luck with that.

And it said more changes to come...who goes next? Of course, Kaz before Maynard...even though Maynard phones it in. God help us if they put that Ricky kid on the air anymore than he already is.
 
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