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Clear Channel Blows Up The Harbor. Now Evolution 101.7

Enough of an audience for that? The big companies haven't gone for that other than 1430..or Salem's 1150. Some can hget 102.9 nr Lawrence // 800, or 97.3 from New Bedford
 
Spanish on 101.7 was never going to happen. Not a chance. To us locals - Spanish is Spanish, is Spanish. Not so to the Hispanic
community, at large. There is a big difference between, say, Puerto Rican and Mexican and Nicaraguan. Foreign language programming is
not a panacea. It is a distinct art form/business model - and our company does more of it than just about anybody in the US....
 
BoredModerator said:
Time out, Evolution is a national 'featured' format on IHR.

For the heck of it, I streamed the Boston version and the 'featured' version and they were playing the exact the same song. Isn't it just plug and play radio? If Evolution fails, they can swap it over to K-LOVE, AT40, Classica, Country Road, Rock Nation, Smooth Jazz, Soft Rock, The Alt Project, etc, etc, etc

Hire a morning show and then I'll get excited we have a new station in town....
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I think it's painfully obvious, that only us radio geeks really care where the hosts broadcast from. The names on this station already are very recognizable to EDM fans.
 
BoredModerator said:
Time out, Evolution is a national 'featured' format on IHR.

For the heck of it, I streamed the Boston version and the 'featured' version and they were playing the exact the same song. Isn't it just plug and play radio? If Evolution fails, they can swap it over to K-LOVE, AT40, Classica, Country Road, Rock Nation, Smooth Jazz, Soft Rock, The Alt Project, etc, etc, etc

Hire a morning show and then I'll get excited we have a new station in town....
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Love it or hate it, CC did their layoffs because you are now seeing the future of radio....MUSIC NETWORKS. With that, the days of "local flavor" are pretty much dying. MAYBE they'll do one show locally but I don't see a "morning Zoo" or something. It will get to that point that if this station is successful, then you'll see "Evolution" on other CC properties in different cities. (though not NYC because of the quirk with the CC cluster there) and eventually other formats linked to IHR. Perhaps CBS Radio will do something similar with their radio.com brand.
 
WNTIRadio said:
Beyond the QE2 has been dropping cajmere for 2 decades on WZBC. i wonder if they will be hired by this new channel? doubtful...

so the dial is finally getting a nauseating retread of a genre that has been around for 25 years, known in 80a as club-house (Downtown Julie Brown on MTV...) and mid 90s as Electronica.. and more recently as "dumbstep". wake me up when theyre playing Dance Mania b-sides..
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Congrats. You're the winner of the first person to bitch about the new format and someone trying something new on commercial radio prize.

Good grief, you dance people are just as bad as hipsters. God forbid more than 3 people have heard of a song or artist and it gets played somewhere else.

You and 5 other people can continue to listen to WZBC. You can also go back to your opium den where you think that a commercial outlet in market #10 is going to hire unpolished college kids to spin the music. WZBC isn't Emerson College or Syracuse where that could happen.
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Hold up! Hold up! "YOU DANCE PEOPLE?" Be VERY careful of that WNTI.

In EVERY genre you will have those that are going to be hypercritical. Don't get me wrong, I didn't like Carmen's sacrastic comments because NO, this is not 80's house/techno, NO, this is not 90's electronica. And while I am not into dubstep, I also realize that it's not about me but the current college age generation being into that music. And even if I've heard of a track MONTHS before (and yes, I get tracks like that because of what I do on the Internet with my show), if it gets the big nod on commercial radio, I flip for joy!!!!

My own personal story in that sense. Very few people had heard of Taio Cruz here in the U.S. but when I was on another Internet station, I played the Vito Benito Remix of "Break Your Heart" since I did hear his stuff in the past that was pretty much in the U.K. Eventually radio caught on to it and made the version featuring Ludacris the main one. Point is, I was very happy in that sense because I felt responsible in a small way for getting something out there.

Like I had said, in EVERY genre you're going to get people like Carmen. That is the exception, not the norm.
 
will there be commercials? seems like there hasn't been since the flip i'm loving this!!
 
Re: Harbor gone---- welcome to the new dance evolution 101.7

EDM = "Spin Cycle with Liquid Todd" which as most of us faithful FNX listeners remember was a staple of Saturday nights.
CC could have saved themselves a ton of money by just going with that from the get go LOL!!!
 
They already tried conservative talk and it failed MISERABLY. I think a lot of this format doom talk is more wishful thinking than anything. ::)
 
First even with Jay Severin I'm not sure if it's Toxic, but all opinion of course (some would say
lefty talk can be); second, I don't know if the Blaze is doing
terrestrial radio, and third, I think the (conservative talk) train has left the station. UNLESS
96.9 drops it and maybe they run with syndie shows (but not local....) Likely 1200 stays comedy
unless they can find something more profitable.

Quick, Jeff Santos, hit the lottery so you can broker libtalk on 1200 :)

People can hear the talk they want with a sat. radio, or a smartphone (get Tune In, live 365,
iHeart Radio etc.)
 
They should make those spanish stations English so more people can understand them. Then the ratings would go up.

WLYNgm said:
Spanish on 101.7 was never going to happen. Not a chance. To us locals - Spanish is Spanish, is Spanish. Not so to the Hispanic
community, at large. There is a big difference between, say, Puerto Rican and Mexican and Nicaraguan. Foreign language programming is
not a panacea. It is a distinct art form/business model - and our company does more of it than just about anybody in the US....
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I hate top posting but I guess I must rather than throw the thread into disarray. Anyway ...
You make a Spanish station English and you lose the audience your advertisers are buying: Latinos whose primary language is still Spanish. There isn't a huge Anglo audience out there who'd listen to tropical music if only the announcers spoke English.

indystorm said:
They should make those spanish stations English so more people can understand them. Then the ratings would go up.

WLYNgm said:
Spanish on 101.7 was never going to happen. Not a chance. To us locals - Spanish is Spanish, is Spanish. Not so to the Hispanic
community, at large. There is a big difference between, say, Puerto Rican and Mexican and Nicaraguan. Foreign language programming is
not a panacea. It is a distinct art form/business model - and our company does more of it than just about anybody in the US....
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I'm sure that those listeners are everywhere...


CTListener said:
I hate top posting but I guess I must rather than throw the thread into disarray. Anyway ...
You make a Spanish station English and you lose the audience your advertisers are buying: Latinos whose primary language is still Spanish. There isn't a huge Anglo audience out there who'd listen to tropical music if only the announcers spoke English.

indystorm said:
They should make those spanish stations English so more people can understand them. Then the ratings would go up.

WLYNgm said:
Spanish on 101.7 was never going to happen. Not a chance. To us locals - Spanish is Spanish, is Spanish. Not so to the Hispanic
community, at large. There is a big difference between, say, Puerto Rican and Mexican and Nicaraguan. Foreign language programming is
not a panacea. It is a distinct art form/business model - and our company does more of it than just about anybody in the US....
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I suspect CC stole a march on GM in terms of attention. Evolution is the most interesting addition to Boston radio in a long time. I've been listening off-and-on the last couple days, and there's only two negative things I can say. First is that the ratings will probably suffer in this post-PPM era because a good portion of the audience will be college students that aren't Boston-area residents and therefore cannot participate in PPM. Second, and this is a personal prejudice, but I can't imagine that you would have high TSL of DHUM DHUM DHUM DHUM. I love it for the first 20 minutes or so, but I have to switch off after a while.

It will be interesting to see what advertisers will take to this format, and how spot breaks will be handled. It's easy to just turn the music loose, but how do you constrain this into a commercial application?

Also, if any from CC is lurking, please tell the engineers to fire up an HD1, or at least put an RDS encoder out there... The Harbor didn't have anything, but I figured they'd do HD for Evolution, fo phatter bass drops, yo. It looks like amateur hour as it is, although the audio quality isn't bad in FM stereo.
 
Agreed re: first paragraph etc. and your line:
>>college students that aren't Boston-area residents and therefore cannot participate in PPM

reminds me of something I saw maybe back in late 70s or early 80s in the Globe. It was an article
about WCAS (_may_ have been in Radio Waves, but prob the Globe) and it mentioned the popularity of the station with the college crowd: "if college students were to be counted in ratings,
Time magazine would soon be knocking on WCAS' door."
 
Joseph_Gallant said:
If "Evolution" fails, Clear Channel may have to do what I think they should have done when they bought the then-WFNX if they were intent of changing formats: Go Spanish.
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Why not Russian? Or Chinese?

Spanish isn't even the second most spoken language in Massachusetts. That honor belongs to Portuguese.

But what Boston really needs is an Elvish FM, "Elrond 101.7". Of course it would run the Rivendell automation system.
 
Spanish isn't a format, just like English isn't a format. There are many different Spanish genres.

That's why there are so many different Spanish AM stations.
 
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