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FM - no AM - portable CD player

oldradiotapes said:
I hate to break it to you but that wasn't unique to KKOV. KKSN (910 and 1520) had had that same issue since the start of AM Only. I don't know why. You'd even sometimes hear the very last couple seconds or so of the network commercial set after the local set had finished playing, and in a few cases the network feed wouldn't mute so you'd hear two sets of spots talking over each other. Somebody at KKSN/KKAD/KKOV didn't know how to program a spot player or set up a Transtar cue receiver, I guess.
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Transtar?? How long ago was this and you're still bothered? Talk about carrying a grudge!
Time to let it go..
 
Kelly, will you please work on getting your anger and condescending sarcasm levels under control? Nobody has attacked you. You don't need to take everything you read on here so bloody seriously and troll people whose observations and opinions conflict with your personal ideology. God, talk about sucking the lifeblood out of a thread. There are plenty of other sites where you can release all your bottled-up vitriol. Log off for a while and go for a nature walk, take a bike ride, listen to a quiet record or something to help you calm down.
 
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oldradiotapes said:
Kelly, will you please work on getting your anger and condescending sarcasm levels under control? Nobody has attacked you. You don't need to take everything you read on here so bloody seriously and troll people whose observations and opinions conflict with your personal ideology. God, talk about sucking the lifeblood out of a thread. There are plenty of other sites where you can release all your bottled-up vitriol. Log off for a while and go for a nature walk, take a bike ride, listen to a quiet record or something to help you calm down.
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Vitriol? Just because you feel defensive, please don't accuse me of something that I'm not doing. That fact that someone is still upset about Transtar, is befuddling to me. If anything, I'm trying to understand how anyone could be upset about something that may have occurred how many years ago? We've all had unpleasant things happen in the business. It's not healthy to let something like simple radio, be one of those things that one points to as some sort of low point in life. Radio and TV aren't life. They're simply an occupation for some, and entertainment to others.
 
Kelly A said:
I'm still struggling with any direct ties between a livable city, according to various opinions, economic conditions, whatever, to the quality of radio stations or formats. It's like comparing apples to microphones. Detroit has struggled economically since the 2008 Depression, yet have been home of quality and groundbreaking radio formats. Chicago is another example. San Francisco, Los Angeles, and NYC come to mind too. All great radio cities, in spite of their 'livability index' or whatever metric you want to politically paint the market with.
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Detroit's got 5 Contemporary (or some variant) stations in the top 10, all owned by either iHeart or Beasley. Variety much? Nah. And again, WNIC's numbers are inflated by the holidays. Otherwise, I do see a lot of good options here, including Funk, except the only way to get Detroit's 4 Funk stations, you have to own an HD radio. Why are there so many Smile FM translators around?
As for Chi-town, NYC, and SF, a good chunk of the discussion boards on here seems to be complaints about something, or how long will *insert station here* last? Chicago though, is a very saturated market, and that's good for them. If you ask a New Yorker the last time they enjoyed radio though, they'll tell you the 1960's, probably.
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Again, are you giving Portland that grade because of radio station performance in the market, or because you politically have a problem with that city? I can see lumping-in political talk radio with political opinions, but to paint an entire city with poor radio because of personal political leanings? Misguided and unfair.

And yet you claim that because you don't like the culture, radio in the market suffers too? Which is it?
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You have a testimonial from @oldradiotapes, whom I suspect is left-wing, and even ORT does not feel comfortable in Portland.
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Without sounding like a skipping CD, you're using 6+ information which is useless. Doesn't account for station target demographics, nor revenue.
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Good point, and at the same time, Nielsen's ratings are like a sample, but it's not precise. However, it paints a picture that can correlate to revenue most of the time.
Kelly A said:
And so far, you've made some doozy's.
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🤣 Nuts! It's way too easy to make these blanket statements! Which is why coordinated research is important, and I tried to include as much as I could for this one.

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Anyways, this does not seem to be going anywhere productive. Just saying, ORT does not like Portland's options, maybe that's just a coincidence?
 
Kelly, I don't know where you got the idea that I'm upset about issues KKSN were having (I'm not), all I did was state an observation. If you can point me to where I said I was upset, please do. Your condescending attitude and patronising, trolling replies are not welcome or appreciated. If you can't handle that people are stating basic observations, that's your issue. Keep it to yourself.

whom I suspect is left-wing, and even ORT does not feel comfortable in Portland.
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Nah; a no-wing moderate. I used to quite enjoy Portland (note spelling) but I've also been watching it steadily decline over the last almost 40 years I've been here, so, my entire life. I lived there in the mid-2000s because of my job at the time, but quickly got out and migrated back across the Columbia around 2010 when things really started getting nasty. I used to have a long-distance bike ride out to Troutdale that I really enjoyed (Marine Drive is the farthest into Potland I'd go, and it's quite literally the edge of town) that I had to terminate the routings for about a year ago because the tweakers and bums, their flytipping and spent H needles were making it a legit safety and health hazard. My last ride (last May) one of them tried to jump me as I was waiting to cross a busy intersection. Sucks, because that ride went into the Columbia River gorge a little ways, and who doesn't love the gorge, but what can you do.
 
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oldradiotapes said:
Your condescending attitude and patronising, trolling replies are not welcome or appreciated. If you can't handle that people are stating basic observations, that's your issue. Keep it to yourself.
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It's called a: Discussion Board. Just because you don't like my questions back, or the way I take a discussion, doesn't mean I should keep it to myself. Maybe it's time to put on your big boy pants, and discuss? Or not. Feel free to ignore my posts.
 
LOL It is Portland, Oregon, what did you expect? They was already on the way down, but after 2020, those people stopped trying to care altogether. Portlanders (under the new regime) are going to destroy their city from the inside out, and radio is right in there path. It is, a sad reality, but Portland radio will eventually become undone, and the only way for people like you or me to enjoy radio is to just move out and not look back.
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Not just Potland radio, but the Portland republic in general. The recent wars downtown over their self-stereotypes and the resulting sectarian violence, all disguised as "protests against racism", hasn't helped. People are defecting en masse because the city-states politics are such a massive clusterfkcu of mismanagement, bureaucracy and foot-dragging. For example, witness the flytipping problem. Since there's no one centralised disposal authority due to both "Uniquely Portland" and the fact that it's an autonomous oblast centred around the intersection of three counties, Portland can't maintain a functioning centralised disposal service yet they have no trouble operating their excuse for a transit authority--go figure. Since disposal responsibility is spread across a fragmented group of about two dozen different agencies, one hand doesn't know what the other is doing and trash just gets left to pile up in the streets. Oh, and as of about a year ago they stopped despatching prison clean-up workers because of concerns that it might be considered (what else?) "racial profiling". Facepalm.

Metro (Potland's central politburo), a couple years ago, passed a law effectively authorising bums to camp in public and private property including outside businesses and residences, making many sidewalks and a few roads impassible. Cost of living is exorbitant even compared to when I fled in 2007 (not 2010 as I misstated in an earlier post) and in general it's become a stereotype of itself. I'd be surprised if it doesn't totally collapse by the end of the century.

Meanwhile, those of us observing from outside Metro's little iron curtain just collectively fold our arms, shake our heads and say, "see, I told you so" as we watch the sinking ship slowly disintegrate. It's reached the event horizon decades ago but has truly started its ultimate collapse in earnest over the last 10-15 years, reaching critical mass within the past 3 or 4.

Their long-term future (20+ years) is pretty grim.
 
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ZantennaG1 said:
Good point, and at the same time, Nielsen's ratings are like a sample, but it's not precise. However, it paints a picture that can correlate to revenue most of the time.
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And that sample, with a relatively small margin of error in the areas that matter, is all that ad agencies need to invest billions of dollars a year in radio.

And, if you understand statistics, it is precise. All statistics, even a census, have a margin of error. And the results are, within that framework, precise.
 
TheBigA said:
Radio companies recognize the issue with AM, and they're seeking to convert their listeners to smart speakers or other online devices.
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Rerailing this topic...

I still have my old school stereo system and the tuner part has a decent AM section too, although only 1 or 2 stations are listenable. I also have other companents and CDs and it's funny when someone comes over and says "I can do all that on my phone." It's funny when they come over during a phone outage on their phone and complain of no music. I tease then I have no issues and can pop a CD into my stereo!

Normally cell phone networks are dependable, but in our area one of the companies seems to have trouble with their network.
 
AbrahamJSimpson said:
This thread….holy (bleep) did it go off the rails into the twilight zone.
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Negin said:
Rerailing this topic...
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Yep, I do take the blame for insulting a city like that, and it's about time we get back on track (pun possibly intended). It always is interesting to have your suspicions about the place confirmed by a local though.
 
DavidEduardo said:
And that sample, with a relatively small margin of error in the areas that matter, is all that ad agencies need to invest billions of dollars a year in radio.

And, if you understand statistics, it is precise. All statistics, even a census, have a margin of error. And the results are, within that framework, precise.
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Thank you for clearing that up for me, David. Have a good evening :)
 
CTListener said:
Now wait a second. You're in Wyoming, aren't you? Since when is that the Midwest?
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Wyoming isn't int the Midwest... Most of it is in the 'Mountain states' region.... But the eastern edge of Wyoming is part of the Great Plains, which most East and West coasters probably consider flyover country (Chicagoland being the obvious exception), so I suppose -- like most geographical references -- it's all a matter of perception.
 

Bought this today at Family Dollar for $12 (my first CD player [Sony D-5, purchased 1985-08] cost ~$400 [with carry case & car adapter]).

FM only, although the way the radio tuning works (no indication of the station frequency, you just have to listen for a while to find out the call letters), it seems like they could have included AM since apparently the CD portion is completely off when the unit is switched to radio.

Sound quality is fairly good (AA batteries), now listening to KCKC FM (in fake surround sound) thru my basement home theater system.


Kirk Bayne
 
kfbkfb said:

Bought this today at Family Dollar for $12 (my first CD player [Sony D-5, purchased 1985-08] cost ~$400 [with carry case & car adapter]).
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Good Lord.
kfbkfb said:
Sound quality is fairly good (AA batteries), now listening to KCKC FM (in fake surround sound) thru my basement home theater system.
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Double Good Lord. You're using a battery powered portable radio through a home theater system? Free advice time: There are a lot of good used actual home stereo tuners at garage sales which will undoubtedly have better quality audio.
 
I have 3 (Pioneer brand - 1st one purchased 1989-09) receivers (2 of my 3 planned surround sound systems are operating), I've never set the FM or AM presets in any of them, I rarely listen to radio at home (sometimes 710 & 980 talk radio shows), nearly all of my radio listening is done when I'm driving around.

I was just curious about the sound quality of a $12 CD/FM player/radio (I guess Sony didn't TM Walkman since Curtis/Sylvania calls theirs a Walkman [maybe should be Walkperson]).

Anyway, IMHO, Curtis/Sylvania could have add AM with minimal cost since the FM tuning system in this CD/FM machine is so crude.


Kirk Bayne
 
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