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The Phoenix radio dial is peppered with "colon blow" infomercials. I always found it interesting that those types of spots never made it here to market #2. I guess I'll hear them now.....
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Goodbye All News All the Time
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OCradiodude
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SandyG said:
If that is the case, what does Roy have planned for KLSX?
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MusicMaestro
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Dittos to that! I guess like ABC Radio & NBC Radio before this, CBS Radio is about to "assume room temperature" with a resounding thud---how very sad.
jvparent said:
Dittos to that! I guess like ABC Radio & NBC Radio before this, CBS Radio is about to "assume room temperature" with a resounding thud---how very sad.
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dcgibson55
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Let's hear it for David G. Hall. What an idiot.
dcgibson55 said:
Why would you blame the PD for a decision to sell block time? More than likely he does not like the idea, but this market can't support two news stations.
K6JHU said:
LA is 75% ethnic and immigrant, with none of those groups indexing particularly high in use of news radio. The 42% that is Hispanic (much more than double the Hispanic percent in NY and much less assimilated) is particularly unlikely to use all news radio and underindexing among Blacks and Asians is normal for this format... and the 10% or more that are first generation immigrants (Persians, Arabs, Russians, etc.) are similarly unlikely users.
I forget who it was, but this guy recently wrote about KFWB in Don Barrett's column and how so many people have screwed it up, including the new spinmaster. He said that the original format they started with still exists at 1010WINS in New York, and that nobody has fooled with it. I listened to it and I did like the presentation better. His suggestion was that someone should return it to the way it was when it started.
DavidEduardo said:
As much as I dislike most of what DGH has done since moving from Cheap Channel
to C(BS)--the KNX dismantling, for example--this "KFWB Colon Blow Weekend" deal
is more likely to have Wonder Roy's fingerprints all over it. :
OCradiodude said:
Apparently you haven't listened to 830, 870, 97.1 late at night, 1150, 1460, or others.
Don't worry, many others don't.
The coming "colon blow get-rich-quick using my special technique scam" noise imposing itself on weekends at KFWB are not the fault of David G. Hall or Paul Gomez. As many have suspected this is the work of old Roy and now we wait for the spin he'll put on this.
When Roy first entered the Wilshire complex he wanted to flip KFWB to a talk station, but David G. Hall who knows a thing or two about talk radio in L.A., prevented Roy from flipping the station. In fact David G. Hall and Paul Gomez have, and continues to, vigorously fight against Roy's ideas for KFWB and KNX. For now the PPM numbers likely barely satisfied Roy and his masters in New York; the reality is despite KFWB's highest numbers in years, and beating KNX, KFWB isn't making the money to halt Roy's "tinkering" of the station and shut New York up.
Given the decent enough numbers for KFWB it may be hard to justify flipping the station, so it's suspected Roy with New York's blessing are slowly dismantle KFWB. After all most of their reporters and editors have been wiped out and Jeff Baugh was "given" to KNX without any rhyme or reason and so it's difficult to do a breaking news story, or any local news story, if you have no one to cover it.
I think someone with some suit with an FM property in L.A. should consider bringing the news format to life on the other side and do it right. I realize L.A. isn't too news format friendly, but on FM it would be a niche that would be served and ratings wouldn't be too shabby. In fact the ratings would probably be better than KNX's if the format is executed correctly.
I understand first and foremost radio is a business and always has been a business designed to make money as I am not one of these uber idealist people who believes radio doesn't need to make money and it's "belongs to the people." Yet with rapid media competition from internet to iPods it's just sad in this modern age of radio and media the powers that be are looking for a quick profit instead of letting a format develop and determining within six months if it's going to work, or if they need to expand upon the format, or just axe it (this is to say time is needed to build a loyal and profitable audience). Today if something doesn't work on radio producing profits immediately, then it's gone tomorrow. As has been noted by other people this mindset has been running KFWB and KNX for a few years and now we're at this moment with the famed L.A. news radio stations.
To be fair, Andy Ludlum, when he had control of KFWB up to recently, made quite the concerted effort to return KFWB to being an impressive local news station. Yet again, the higher powers that be had other plans.
As it has before time will prove everything and we shall just wait and see what becomes of this iconic L.A. radio station.
When Roy first entered the Wilshire complex he wanted to flip KFWB to a talk station, but David G. Hall who knows a thing or two about talk radio in L.A., prevented Roy from flipping the station. In fact David G. Hall and Paul Gomez have, and continues to, vigorously fight against Roy's ideas for KFWB and KNX. For now the PPM numbers likely barely satisfied Roy and his masters in New York; the reality is despite KFWB's highest numbers in years, and beating KNX, KFWB isn't making the money to halt Roy's "tinkering" of the station and shut New York up.
Given the decent enough numbers for KFWB it may be hard to justify flipping the station, so it's suspected Roy with New York's blessing are slowly dismantle KFWB. After all most of their reporters and editors have been wiped out and Jeff Baugh was "given" to KNX without any rhyme or reason and so it's difficult to do a breaking news story, or any local news story, if you have no one to cover it.
I think someone with some suit with an FM property in L.A. should consider bringing the news format to life on the other side and do it right. I realize L.A. isn't too news format friendly, but on FM it would be a niche that would be served and ratings wouldn't be too shabby. In fact the ratings would probably be better than KNX's if the format is executed correctly.
I understand first and foremost radio is a business and always has been a business designed to make money as I am not one of these uber idealist people who believes radio doesn't need to make money and it's "belongs to the people." Yet with rapid media competition from internet to iPods it's just sad in this modern age of radio and media the powers that be are looking for a quick profit instead of letting a format develop and determining within six months if it's going to work, or if they need to expand upon the format, or just axe it (this is to say time is needed to build a loyal and profitable audience). Today if something doesn't work on radio producing profits immediately, then it's gone tomorrow. As has been noted by other people this mindset has been running KFWB and KNX for a few years and now we're at this moment with the famed L.A. news radio stations.
To be fair, Andy Ludlum, when he had control of KFWB up to recently, made quite the concerted effort to return KFWB to being an impressive local news station. Yet again, the higher powers that be had other plans.
As it has before time will prove everything and we shall just wait and see what becomes of this iconic L.A. radio station.
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KJCB said:
I can barely get any of those stations in. Doesn't count ;D
OCradiodude said:
830 is an Orange County signal. It pretty much blankets OC. 97.1 is a full Wilson FM, and should be as good in OC as the other major LA FMs. 1150 is 50 kw days and a tiny bit less at night... it has a very decent OC coverage. 870 is a big signal daytime, but not at night. 1460 from Inglewood is a no-go if you are, as the name suggests, in Orange County.
That means you can get all but one of those stations very, very well.
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DavidEduardo said:
Just making a little joke, David. The only one I can't get is 1460.
CBS radio owns KNX which also is a news station. Why do they need 2 news stations in Los Angeles? I mean I understand they do food news and that computer show on Weekends. It's like watching the Weather Channel and there are shows they have sometimes so you only get to see the Weather on the 8's. That's why some people choose satellite radio. I don't play World of Warcraft cause it has a monthly fee but Satellite Radio seems like an OK alternative to local radio. I thought of HD radio but the only portable receivers are $100 and they don't come with more than 5 presets for both FM and AM which isn't much. They are not offering any $50 rebate for HD radios like they were doing a couple of months ago so getting a HD radio is pretty expensive.
XavierRenegade said:
I guess it all comes down to, do you want to pay for radio or get it over the air for free. We all bought into cable, and now satellite, TV which promised a plethora of interesting widely varied and even targeted programming. What we got is a bunch of channels, many of which merely run off first run network reruns or network clones as "original" programming. We have already seen a contraction of satellite radio offerings with the recently announced combined Sirius/XM lineup.
Now with digital TV regular stations can send out as many as four channels of programming which we can get with just an antenna so maybe there will be a turn around as to how we get TV. The so called HD radio technology allows the same but the difference is that there was no governmental drop dead date to force the conversion for broadcasters and people aren’t that excited about $200 table radios. The only positive is requiring car radios to have both HD and Satellite capabilities.
nmoore6676 said:
Allow me to be a dilettante for a moment: Radio has never been "free". We pay for it with our time and attention - 25% of every hour, paid for in commercial time we must either sit through or punch out of.
Don't get me wrong - I don't hate commercials per se. They are a necessary part of commercial radio. But spot loads have certainly increased dramatically over the past few years. I remember a traffic director I had in the late '70s who mandated no more than 5 units or 2.5 minutes per spot break, with a total of 4 breaks per hour - and the jocks thought that was excessive. Now we have music stations airing 15 minutes of spots per hour, some loaded in 5-minute-plus killer blocks, sacrificing the last quarter of the hour on the altar of the 30-minute music sweep.
Free radio is not "free."
-- Doc
For the 785th time: NOTHING about the current broadcast environment resembles the 1970's. Get over it. There was no competition from iPods, or cell phones, or satellite, or internet-in-car, or Internet Radio, streaming, or You Tube, or DirecTV, or DVD's in car, or any number of other competitors that exist today. That's not to suggest that mistakes haven't been made along the way...but rather to suggest that anyone who thinks today's environment is apples-to-apples identical to the broadcast environment 30 years ago should probably find the way-back machine and take a ride. Not only is today different from the 1970's, it's different from the 1990's and different from 2005. And lastly: when Howard Stern was on terrestrial radio, he had probably the highest spot load going. He also had some of the highest ratings on radio. So the premise that higher spot loads= lower ratings really doesn't hold water. CC reduced spot loads 5 years ago with Less Is More...another concept that sits buried in the bottom of a wastebasket somewhere because it led to less revenue, not more.
DoctorWu said:
Then you pay twice (in time and money) for Satellite radio so over the air is still more free. The problem I have with Satellite Radio is that it will turn out just like Cable TV, not really delivering the promised advantages sometime down the road. I know as you have cited that the commercial load is certainly higher, though KFI is doing a lot more of "Less is More" lately (no commercials at the bottom of the hour), maybe the ecomomy fall out? Another thing in the old days was that more of the commercials were live read and often done in a testimonial style so that you were less aware of them than now when they are assembled together in 10 minute stop sets.
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