La Preciosa se va

[Watercooler]

Twas the week before Christmas
And all through the nation
Not a creature was stirring
In any Clear Channel owned station

The doors were all bolted
And the phones off the hook
They had to cut costs
By hook or by crook

Program Directors were hung
On a whim without care
It seems Randy and Lowry
Had them by the short hairs

Disc Jockeys were fired
Out on their a$$
Because billing was falling
Down with a crash

"We'll hire more sales colwns"
They said with a shout
"Who needs programming people
If the logs are sold out"

They're bleeding Red Ink
A billion or two
But selling stock options continues
By those chosen few

The product be damned
It sounds kinda funny
"We have a new corporate mandate
People cost too much money"

So when the ratings are gone
And there's nothing to sell
Lowry and his billions
Can all rot in HELL!

Happy Holidays!

Water coolers

 

[davideduardo]

Automated Sat. feed crap is still automated sat. crap regardless of what language it is in. Too bad the black-hearts at CC can't figure out it's the lack of useful HUMANS that cause lack of success.

That format is 100% live 24/7, in fact. It may come from another location, but it is hardly automated. It is, in fact, very heavily personality driven. even in overnights. In fact, they have 6 live talents covering all dayparts M-F and are live on the weekends, too.

 

[davideduardo]

I believe the CC smooth jazz stations in San Fran and Chicago are doing well. I know they own more but I am not familiar with the others. I wonder if BA's Smooth Jazz Network might be a possibility? Go ahead and bash me for liking smooth jazz BUT... I refrained from bringing it up first. ;D

Clear has smooth jazz in San Francisco, Riverside (Temecula), Phoenix, Norfolk, Miami, Chicago, Baltimore and Ft. Myers. They also own BA which has a synbdicated SJ format.

 

[OKCRadioGuy]

Supprisingly, those that speak Spanish can tell how out-of-touch jocks from hundred of miles away are with them too...

What a concept!

 

[Slambang]

That format is 100% live 24/7, in fact. It may come from another location, but it is hardly automated. It is, in fact, very heavily personality driven. even in overnights. In fact, they have 6 live talents covering all dayparts M-F and are live on the weekends, too.

Dave, I know you like to argue points but, im not playing that game today I think where the issue lies is the simple fact people want local personalities who know the community on commercial radio. With sat(sirius/xm), its a given you're going to be listening to a commercial-free feed from DC or NYC. But when it comes to local "free" radio, id prefer to have the jock living in my town and be able to relate to the local audience, not sit in a booth down in SA and misquote the local calls or think everyone in that local area thinks/acts one way when they dont.

 

[melonhead]

I believe the CC smooth jazz stations in San Fran and Chicago are doing well. I know they own more but I am not familiar with the others. I wonder if BA's Smooth Jazz Network might be a possibility? Go ahead and bash me for liking smooth jazz BUT... I refrained from bringing it up first. ;D

Clear has smooth jazz in San Francisco, Riverside (Temecula), Phoenix, Norfolk, Miami, Chicago, Baltimore and Ft. Myers. They also own BA which has a synbdicated SJ format.

How much MONEY has the CC cluster lost recently on their reactionary, poorly planned and even more poorly executed format changes???

Between the loss in blowing out talent, new format costs and marketing alone its several million. Then there's lost revenue....

2 mill on SUNNY?
Another 2 mill on the low revenue producing La P?
How many million in lost revenue on LONESTAR? With a bad sales model and bad programming....it cant get much worse.

They need money and are going to put a station on that makes some....which means its not going to be rock. CC already has EDGE and Lonestar, they will not add a 3rd fragmentation to a losing track record on ROCK formats. This station will be SMOOTH JAZZ

 

[SirFreebie1975]

Automated Sat. feed crap is still automated sat. crap regardless of what language it is in. Too bad the black-hearts at CC can't figure out it's the lack of useful HUMANS that cause lack of success.

BTW... How do you say Crap Channel in Spanish David E.?

CaCa

 

[Robert Bass]

They need money and are going to put a station on that makes some....which means its not going to be rock. CC already has EDGE and Lonestar, they will not add a 3rd fragmentation to a losing track record on ROCK formats. This station will be SMOOTH JAZZ

Not likely, since the target audience skews older, and adverts won't go for it.

R

 

[radioman921]

Mike the streaming that KEGL does with LA Preciosa was coming from the Flagship station in California so it really itsn't Dallas programming anyway.

 

[radioman921]

Tried to edit my post when I realized the subject was covered......anyway, when your behind as a market group in your billing like I hear they are they are now grasping for straws. Don't be surprised to see some lower level management changes if things don't improve with their billing. Too bad they approached it like CC typical style....

 

[davideduardo]

Supprisingly, those that speak Spanish can tell how out-of-touch jocks from hundred of miles away are with them too...

What a concept!

Not. Hispanics not born in the US come from very centralized societies. In most nations, all radio and TV programming of significance is networked, whether it be Puerto Rico, Colombia or Mexico. There is very little sense of localism as the local community has little self-determination. Take Puerto Rico, USA. There is one school system for the whole commonwealth, one police force, one medical care system. Radio and TV is almost all out of one city and networked.

When you are used to this, localism is a negative. Network is "big" and local is "small."

 

[bucwhyl]

Will it be "Radio 97 one" like Hartford, Philly, and Cinncinati?.......

 

[MarkW]

97-1's future

Will it be "Radio 97 one" like Hartford, Philly, and Cinncinati?.......

If that were to happen, I'd expect 102.1 to return to Mainstream Rock as "Q102" or for them to fully morph into an Active Rock station.

There's no way The Edge in its existing incarnation and a Radio 104-5esque station could co-exist, especially in the same cluster!

 

[jeff715]

They need money and are going to put a station on that makes some....which means its not going to be rock. CC already has EDGE and Lonestar, they will not add a 3rd fragmentation to a losing track record on ROCK formats. This station will be SMOOTH JAZZ

Not likely, since the target audience skews older, and adverts won't go for it.

R

Robert,

With all due respect... how old does KLUV skew? How old does Lonestar skew? How old does WRR skew? Maybe they have finally listened to what people want rather than what consultants and sales guys want. Smooth Jazz works well in most of the other majors and there has been a void here for over a year. I can't imagine Radio 97.1 unless they flip either the Edge, Lonestar or Mix. They are too similar to the "Radio" format. I understand that you may not like smooth jazz and that radio is a for profit biz. But, if they installed their BA smooth jazz network with local traffic and weather it could work. I would love to hear Dave Koz in afternoon drive... Allen Kepler's top 20 SJ countdown on Sunday morning etc. Just my humble opinion and one that some on here love to hate. So be it.

 

[Lancer]

Good riddance, as for the new format we will just have to wait and si. ;D

 

[henderson_s454]

If we're just all going to sit here and "speculate" as to what the format change will be, I'll give you my "two cents" while I'm here.

If it's going to be a format that "nobody likes anyway," how does CLASSIC COUNTRY MUSIC sound to you?

It's just a guess!

 

[txchipk]

They need money and are going to put a station on that makes some....which means its not going to be rock. CC already has EDGE and Lonestar, they will not add a 3rd fragmentation to a losing track record on ROCK formats. This station will be SMOOTH JAZZ

Not likely, since the target audience skews older, and adverts won't go for it.

R

Robert,

With all due respect... how old does KLUV skew? How old does Lonestar skew? How old does WRR skew? Maybe they have finally listened to what people want rather than what consultants and sales guys want. Smooth Jazz works well in most of the other majors and there has been a void here for over a year. I can't imagine Radio

WRR skews extremely "old" and has low revenues. It only survives because the city owns it. When the city sells it -- and at some point, a city council will be come into office that will sell it -- the format will be gone. The number of commercial classical stations in the country is down to a very small number because the audience is too old to generate revenue to sustain them.

KLUV has taken great pains to attempt to get "younger" over the years -- with many complaints here on this board about that lack of "real oldies" (i.e. dropping 50s oldies, continuing phase-out of 60s, etc.).

Smooth jazz is in the same boat. As has been noted 50 times on this board, the format skews old. The national Arbitron trends showing it aging year over year. On average now, most of the audience is 50+. That's why the number of stations with the format has been on a decline. There are a few smooth jazz stations with decent 25-54 numbers, but they are rare and a small percentage of the smooth jazz outlets in rated markets. Clear Channel hasn't started any new smooth jazz stations in some time -- it has shut down smooth jazz stations in recent years rather than launch new ones. The few they have left buck the trends and have decent numbers. Fort Myers is probably a good fit since that market is filled with a huge population of retired folks; so if its 100.1 there is skewing old, it probably isn't that big of a deal. Their Baltimore outlet has been speculated about a format change for some time; they just replaced some local shifts with network shows.

97.1 unless they flip either the Edge, Lonestar or Mix. They are too similar to the "Radio" format. I understand that you may not like smooth jazz and that radio is a for profit biz. But, if they installed their BA smooth jazz network with local traffic and weather it could work. I would love to hear Dave Koz in afternoon drive... Allen Kepler's top 20 SJ countdown on Sunday morning etc. Just my humble opinion and one that some on here love to hate. So be it.

It would be great for certain segments of the population to have a standards outlet on FM, a 50s oldies outlet, and so on. One could also wish and post on bulletin boards all day long about how nice it would be to win a $250 million lottery drawing. It doesn't make the odds of it happening any more realistic. Based on how KOAI went out, the image is that format wasn't working.

The only way I see it coming back would be like WJJZ Philly. Clear Channel killed off the station. When the 97.5 Trenton signal was moved in, their owners brought back the calls and format. Launching a new signal with familiar calls and format of a station that recently went away was probably an easy way to generate some buzz...

 

[txchipk]

If we're just all going to sit here and "speculate" as to what the format change will be, I'll give you my "two cents" while I'm here.

If it's going to be a format that "nobody likes anyway," how does CLASSIC COUNTRY MUSIC sound to you?

It's just a guess!

Speaking of formats with really old audiences... so doubt that will be an option. A regular country station would be more of an option, particularly with KSCS and KPLX being pretty mediocre lately.

I would think with the eventual move to the new ratings system, it will be something that will be friendly to that. CC has changed formats of stations in Philly, Hartford, and other places to more PPM-friendly formats. Like Philly, where the Spanish-language format on WUBA 104.5 was replaced with an alternative one, I imagine some sort of more PPM-friendly format will appear.

 

[Robert Bass]

They need money and are going to put a station on that makes some....which means its not going to be rock. CC already has EDGE and Lonestar, they will not add a 3rd fragmentation to a losing track record on ROCK formats. This station will be SMOOTH JAZZ

Not likely, since the target audience skews older, and adverts won't go for it.

R

Robert,

With all due respect... how old does KLUV skew? How old does Lonestar skew? How old does WRR skew? Maybe they have finally listened to what people want rather than what consultants and sales guys want. Smooth Jazz works well in most of the other majors and there has been a void here for over a year. I can't imagine Radio 97.1 unless they flip either the Edge, Lonestar or Mix. They are too similar to the "Radio" format. I understand that you may not like smooth jazz and that radio is a for profit biz. But, if they installed their BA smooth jazz network with local traffic and weather it could work. I would love to hear Dave Koz in afternoon drive... Allen Kepler's top 20 SJ countdown on Sunday morning etc. Just my humble opinion and one that some on here love to hate. So be it.

Jeff,

I don't hate "real" smooth jazz. The only thing about smooth jazz I didn't like, was how KOAI changed it to more of a soft AC format, putting in a lot of vocal selections, etc. If someone brought back smooth jazz the same way it first appeared in this market on 106.1, I'll be doing jumping jack cheers.

As for KLUV... As noted, they are skewing younger. Right now they are spinning some 60's, a lot of 70's and some 80's. They are also holding a very good position in 12+ (yeah, yeah... I know). They are a station in a better position of gaining some competition.

R

 

[salemjedi54]

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Jeff,

I don't hate "real" smooth jazz. The only thing about smooth jazz I didn't like, was how KOAI changed it to more of a soft AC format, putting in a lot of vocal selections, etc. If someone brought back smooth jazz the same way it first appeared in this market on 106.1, I'll be doing jumping jack cheers.

R

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And I'll be right there with you. 106.1 The Oasis was a truly innovative radio station. It had to be something to get a 19 year old to leave stop listening K104 completely and become a 106.1 P1.