pathetic tampa radio

[carneyfreak]

Gentlemen,

NOBODY knows everything about radio.

Best...statement...ever.

 

[FiveStar]

You trying to put consultants out of business?

 

[Kabrich]

Do you type just to hit the keyboard? I admit given how incorrect your statements have been, it appears that is the case.

I have answered those questions three times thus far.

Either get some reading glasses or give it up.

Given your past failures in this market, I'm surprised you feel so comfortable deriding some of the most intelligent and well informed people that post here. Your last several posts have had very little to do with Tampa radio, and have been blatantly antagonistic. Don't you have work to do? ;D

clearly you have a problem reading this thread as well. oh well, stupid is forever.

 

[Kabrich]

Gentlemen,

NOBODY knows everything about radio.

except the people in this thread who think they do.....that's why i make it a point to observe the REAL audience and see what they think - not a few trolls who visit radio blogs, as i am smart enough to realize i might not have all the answers - but the audience does if you take the time to listen.

 

[scottsvb5]

Your PD of what station? Sorry I missed it if you said earlier.

 

[Ssummers]

Your PD of what station? Sorry I missed it if you said earlier.

Oh, Lord...

 

[scottsvb5]

you know it then? I dont read each thread or know everone in a message board!

 

[Ssummers]

you know it then? I dont read each thread or know everone in a message board!

Easy, dude. It sounded like you were being flippant with your "your(sic) PD of what station?" remark, that's all.

 

[scottsvb5]

Nope.. just wondering since he said about his audience. Oh btw on another thread, Canton usually cant handle that many people for a Hall of Fame game.. I'm glad they treated you well in my home state of Ohio.

 

[Ssummers]

Nope.. just wondering since he said about his audience. Oh btw on another thread, Canton usually cant handle that many people for a Hall of Fame game.. I'm glad they treated you well in my home state of Ohio.

Great town and truly friendly and hospitable people, bud. They did you proud. Btw, Randy is a consultant. He passed the PD benchmark years ago.

 

[coolaid213]

Btw, Randy is a consultant. He passed the PD benchmark years ago.

Those who can, do. Those who cant, consult.

Look at most of these guys and you'll find a whole graveyard of stations behind them.

 

[Ssummers]

Btw, Randy is a consultant. He passed the PD benchmark years ago.

Those who can, do. Those who cant, consult.

Look at most of these guys and you'll find a whole graveyard of stations behind them.

Be that as it may, despite his friendly, gregarious manner, Randy isn't one of them. He is, in actuality, a good programmer.

 

[countrybumkin]

I agree that Randy is a pretty darn good programmer.

 

[jefflaurence]

He dislikes me for some reason, but the time I worked at a station he consulted, it was a winner. He certainly does know his product and moreover he knows his audience. Some people are better with nuts and bolts, and some are better with glad-handing. Mr. K knows where he stands, and I respect that. And these days when things have become more bottom-line critical, and less about personalities both on and off the air..he will continue to do very well indeed.

 

[TampaDan]

The late Tony Randall had some interesting comments about audiences. He was speaking in the context of television and theater, but I think it translates to radio as well. He said something to the effect that you don't want to ask audiences what they want. If you do that, you will only be giving them what they've already had. He said what you do is give them what YOU like and hope they'll like it as well.

I imagine too much of an emphasis on focus groups would lead to a great deal of mediocrity - while not relying on focus groups at all would lead to astonishing successes and abysmal failures. But never a dull moment.

 

[Ssummers]

The thing that perplexes me to the point of it being shocking, is that, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why Randy (if, in fact, "kabrich" is Randy<and I believe he is>)posts anything. He doesn't have anything to prove. I can't imagine him needing the ego gratification, and, if he did, there are certainly bigger and broader platforms on which to achieve a bigger grat "buzz" than RadioInfo.com. Could it be because he truly is trying to clarify broadcast issues that affect the rest of us. I mean, he has provoked debate on this thread and others since he started posting in 9/07. In the spirit of posting on a public forum, we, as posters, often do complain and bemoan the fact that bigger corporations (whether they be broadcast entities or a broadcast ratings company) do things without keeping us(the little guy) in the loop or in mind. The thought has occurred to me that he spurs debate to get us to either come to the same opinion as his or to form an opinion of our own to begin with. I honestly believe Randy does not care what we think of him, nor does he have to get credit for ideas that are his or that he fosters or engenders(i.e. spin counts and their superior picture of what is being played), and he does not care a whit about winning the Nobel Prize for broadcast programming theory, I can promise you that. I can only think that he posts to elevate the level of the conversation to that of understanding what is happening in broadcasting before it stops happening and we start complaining about the way things are again(when we can do very little about it). I think we could learn a lot about what he is saying instead of how he is saying it, otherwise, I cannot think of any motivation for him to post at all.

(this might actually be a thread in and of itself).

 

[Don62]

The late Tony Randall had some interesting comments about audiences. He was speaking in the context of television and theater, but I think it translates to radio as well. He said something to the effect that you don't want to ask audiences what they want. If you do that, you will only be giving them what they've already had. He said what you do is give them what YOU like and hope they'll like it as well.

I imagine too much of an emphasis on focus groups would lead to a great deal of mediocrity - while not relying on focus groups at all would lead to astonishing successes and abysmal failures. But never a dull moment.

Well-stated. The word you used is what too much of radio - and other forms of broadcasting - has gone to these days - mediocre and often pathetic.

I knew there was a good reason for not following only what the crowd wants. Crowds aren't always right.

 

[Kabrich]

Btw, Randy is a consultant. He passed the PD benchmark years ago.

Those who can, do. Those who cant, consult.

Look at most of these guys and you'll find a whole graveyard of stations behind them.

and those who can't do either just play with a bootleg homebrewed station because they were never good enough to do it in real life at a real station, right Cedric?

 

[Kabrich]

He dislikes me for some reason, but the time I worked at a station he consulted, it was a winner. He certainly does know his product and moreover he knows his audience. Some people are better with nuts and bolts, and some are better with glad-handing. Mr. K knows where he stands, and I respect that. And these days when things have become more bottom-line critical, and less about personalities both on and off the air..he will continue to do very well indeed.

if you read the other thread you will find out that is the farthest thing from the truth. If I disliked you, I would have campaigned (probably successfuly) to get you off the air at that station I consulted.

 

[Kabrich]

The thing that perplexes me to the point of it being shocking, is that, for the life of me, I cannot figure out why Randy (if, in fact, "kabrich" is Randy<and I believe he is>)posts anything. He doesn't have anything to prove. I can't imagine him needing the ego gratification, and, if he did, there are certainly bigger and broader platforms on which to achieve a bigger grat "buzz" than RadioInfo.com. Could it be because he truly is trying to clarify broadcast issues that affect the rest of us. I mean, he has provoked debate on this thread and others since he started posting in 9/07. In the spirit of posting on a public forum, we, as posters, often do complain and bemoan the fact that bigger corporations (whether they be broadcast entities or a broadcast ratings company) do things without keeping us(the little guy) in the loop or in mind. The thought has occurred to me that he spurs debate to get us to either come to the same opinion as his or to form an opinion of our own to begin with. I honestly believe Randy does not care what we think of him, nor does he have to get credit for ideas that are his or that he fosters or engenders(i.e. spin counts and their superior picture of what is being played), and he does not care a whit about winning the Nobel Prize for broadcast programming theory, I can promise you that. I can only think that he posts to elevate the level of the conversation to that of understanding what is happening in broadcasting before it stops happening and we start complaining about the way things are again(when we can do very little about it). I think we could learn a lot about what he is saying instead of how he is saying it, otherwise, I cannot think of any motivation for him to post at all.

(this might actually be a thread in and of itself).

we have a winner.

Radio changes....life changes. You either accept it and move on or live in a retirement home thinking about the good old days.

The question is how you can make the best of things in the current atmosphere and do your best. Quite frankly, as I have often said, people were paid to be a DJ and cracked the mic every 4 minutes, not putting a single thought about how to communicate with the listeners and working that break out, but only trying to pick up a pick of ass on the phone.

Guess what. Managers got wise. Why pay for someone to do 8 breaks an hour if they were only going to spend 5 minutes doing it.

Very few DJs put the time needed into a show - constantly editted what they were going to say on paper and rehearsing it before they cracked the mike to be an entertainer and deliver the line.

So, just like virtually every other business, from Grocery Stores, to Cellphone Providers, to Credit Cards, to banks - virtually all businesses.....We are down to essentially 3-4 major players and few secondary players.

Tony Randall can say whatever, but why did he always read someone else's script if he had the great insight into the audience.

He was a performer - nothing more.

Of course, you've made a lot more money in radio than I ever did so I guess when you get down to it that's all that matters.

Hmmmm.....Sounds like those who can.......do make money.

And yes, that's why I say what i want - just as I do to station management whether they want to hear it or not - and it why stations eventually come around to me, if I decide to take them on as clients - because bottom line is most people want to win, which gives me the situation you noted.

People here believe WFLA was a better station in the 80s and early 90s. Clearly, the audience and the numbers have proven that false, but some people refuse to listen to the audience (and we wonder why they fail in radio). Nuff said.