Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.

[zumahans]

Re: Movin Not Airing Legal I.D.

You and your thinking are so obtuse you missed the point... I cited a bunch of examples of the use of "gringo" in Mexico where the term was obviously not offensive and, in many cases, used by gringos themselves.

Instead, you find fault with the use of English on a menu by someone who obviously does not have English as the first language. That is condescending, to say the least.

Oh, I got your point all right. Your point is that racist relics of the 1960s, i.e. boozing Norteamericano turistas, ugly americans profiteering form cheap Mexican land and women, i.e."Gringo Gazette", etc. are still hanging around, vestiges of a bygone era.

I don't make fun of Senor Sancho. I make fun of you, you supercilious windbag, for using that as a citation on proper English usage - after telling someone he was an idiot to use Wikipedia for the same thing.

Viva Senor Sancho. Pass the tilde and an upsidedown exclamation point.

 

[zumahans]

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If you want an insult, try "gabacho" on for size. The fact that such a word has to exist means that the "g" word is not offensive.

OK. You are a gabacho. Although I did not know you were from France...

Whatever.

gabacho m. 1. a villager from the Pyranees; (colloquial, pejorative) a Frenchman, a Frog.
2. White man, woman. Similar to term Gringo. Ex: That gabacho was so uptight, he wouldn't let us get ahead in line.
3. Chicano pejorative term for an English-speaking, non-Hispanic. Ex: The gabachos don't want to give drivers licenses to immigrants.

I see that your perjorative word for me is "a perjorative similar to gringo."

 

[hamNcheese]

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"Nahwhitnews." Sounds downright catchy, don't it cletus?


If you want an insult, try "gabacho" on for size.

"Cletus"??? David just stop....you have embarrassed yourself enough.

:-[

 

[davideduardo]

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If you want an insult, try "gabacho" on for size. The fact that such a word has to exist means that the "g" word is not offensive.

OK. You are a gabacho. Although I did not know you were from France...

Whatever.

gabacho m. 1. a villager from the Pyranees; (colloquial, pejorative) a Frenchman, a Frog.
2. White man, woman. Similar to term Gringo. Ex: That gabacho was so uptight, he wouldn't let us get ahead in line.
3. Chicano pejorative term for an English-speaking, non-Hispanic. Ex: The gabachos don't want to give drivers licenses to immigrants.

I see that your perjorative word for me is "a perjorative similar to gringo."

You got that from a website less authoritative than Wikipedia. Hoist on your own petard, I guess. I especially love the fact that they say "gabacho" is a chicano term. Chicanos are later-generation Mexican Americans, predominantly English dominant and not likely to remember Maximiliano any too well.

In Mexico, gabacho did refer to the French about 150 years ago. Today, is is a pejorative for a gringo.

 

[zumahans]

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If you want an insult, try "gabacho" on for size. The fact that such a word has to exist means that the "g" word is not offensive.

OK. You are a gabacho. Although I did not know you were from France...

Whatever.

gabacho m. 1. a villager from the Pyranees; (colloquial, pejorative) a Frenchman, a Frog.
2. White man, woman. Similar to term Gringo. Ex: That gabacho was so uptight, he wouldn't let us get ahead in line.
3. Chicano pejorative term for an English-speaking, non-Hispanic. Ex: The gabachos don't want to give drivers licenses to immigrants.

I see that your perjorative word for me is "a perjorative similar to gringo."

You got that from a website less authoritative than Wikipedia. Hoist on your own petard, I guess. I especially love the fact that they say "gabacho" is a chicano term. Chicanos are later-generation Mexican Americans, predominantly English dominant and not likely to remember Maximiliano any too well.

In Mexico, gabacho did refer to the French about 150 years ago. Today, is is a pejorative for a gringo.

Your use of Cletus in reference to me, is exactly what, Dave?

Another perjorative, racist term, or do the good folks at Univision Radio all use that term when referring to anglos/whites/nonmajority Californians, too?

And I would daresay that my use of secondary sourcing does not hold a candle to your expert use of such sources as Senor Sanchez's Restaurant website.

What is the address for the public inspection file for KSCA, David? I'll bet this little exchange in which a bigshot Univision radio vice president decribes whites as Cletus, gabachos y gringos will give your FCC lawyers palsy.

 

[hamNcheese]

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If David Eduardo is a VP at Univision that is a scary thought. But not as scary as raising kids that think it is ok to referr to whites as 'Gringo' or 'Cleatus'.

I question his value system, and what he passes on to others.

 

[zumahans]

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If David Eduardo is a VP at Univision that is a scary thought. But not as scary as raising kids that think it is ok to referr to whites as 'Gringo' or 'Cleatus'.

I question his value system, and what he passes on to others.

I have printed out this whole exchange and find it absolutely fascinating.

 

[zumahans]

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Wait a minute, Dave., I just googled Senor Sancho's Restaurant and found two of them mentioned on hte web.

Were you using the one in Ajo, Arizona as your definitive source for English language usage?

Or the one in Paso Robles, Calif.?

www.senorsanchosrestaurant.com is owned by a company called "No Cat Tacos, Inc." Sounds like lexicography experts to me!

Man, you are too easy.

 

[zumahans]

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Save me the effort, Dave.

What are the public inspection file addresses for all the rimshots?

You know, KBRG, KLQV, KCOR-FM, KKRG, KLNO, KOVE, KBTQ, KRGT, KRDA, KRGT, KBNA, KQMR, KOMR, KRCD and KRCV?

Oh, KQMR/KOMR I've got:

KOMR Radio
In Care of Senor Sanchos Restaurant
Third Dumpster in the Alley
663 N. Second Ave
Ajo AZ 85321

 

[davideduardo]

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What are the public inspection file addresses for all the rimshots?

--->>> Public inspection files are maintained by stations in the locations required by the instruments of authorization. The mailing address of each station is on file at the Commission and can be obtained by searching for any station at http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/ by selecting AM or FM and entering the calls.

---->>>Or, follow the FCC advice: Requirement to Maintain a Public Inspection File. Our rules require all TV and radio stations and applicants for new stations to maintain a file available for public inspection containing documents relevant to the station's operation. The public inspection file generally must be maintained at the station's main studio. To obtain the address and phone number of a station's main studio, consult your local telephone directory or call information.

---->>> Each staiton must keep on file complaints about its broadcast operation. "Letters and E-Mail from the Public. Commercial stations must keep written comments and suggestions received from the public regarding their operation for at least three years. Noncommercial stations are not subject to this requirement." If you think a private discussion about the meaning of a word is material to the operation of a radio staiton, you are really way out. I do not even work for the licencees of any of the radio stations. But if you think this would be fun, go for it.


You know, KBRG, KLQV, KCOR-FM, KKRG, KLNO, KOVE, KBTQ, KRGT, KRDA, KRGT, KBNA, KQMR, KOMR, KRCD and KRCV?

---->>>> KQMR and KOMR are rimshots, but the rest are not. Most of the ones you listed are licensed to the central city or in the metro of that city. You are missing about 58 stations, too. Maybe this will help http://www.davidgleason.com/HBC-Stations.htm

---->>>> Again, you prove yourself not to know what a rimshot is. KLNO, for example, may be the absolute best Class C Cedar Hill signal in Dallas, as i thas the most distant co-channel and adjacent channel stations of any local C. KBNA is a full C on the maountain overlooking El Paso, and licensed to that city. And so on. KBRG is a full San Jose signal, just as KBTQ is a full McAllen/Brownsville/Harlingen signal, licensed to one of the tri-cities the market is named after.

 

[davideduardo]

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The conversation evolved after awhile. It is the second time in a week or two David Eduardo has shown his errr....'true colors' I think he should be banned from radio-info for his comments. KM Richards would have banned anybody else if they behaved with such a lack of class and disregard for others feelings.

I am hopeful that he has just shut up about it at this point and wont referr to white americans as 'gringos' 'cletus' or KFI listerers as 'the 30% of polarized white Los Angelenos who are almost bigots' as he did in another thread.

this needs to stop. :-[

Why? This could be a useful discussion if folks like you realized that extreme cultural differences exist between different peoples of the world.

In this case, Hispanics generally do not use gringo ONLY as an insult. As I said, it depends on context. You would be well to learn from this information, so you could see that when an Hispanic uses the term, there may be no insult or offense intended.

This type of knowledge should bring people together, not separate them. If you realize that a "gringo" is just a convenient way of saying something that is very hard to explain otherwise ("non-Hispanic white person with European appearance"), you would probably have your eyes opened to the fact that different languages have words that seem to mean the same thing but do not.

For example, a person who is of a certain heritage would be siad, for example, to be of "Polish ascent" in Spanish while we say "of Polish descent" in English. There are many, many words that seem to be the same in Spanish or in English, with just, often, an "o" or an "a" added but they frequently mean very different if not opposite things.

I continue to maintain that the meaning of "gringo" should not be taken as offensive because generally it is not said with the intent to offend. Whether I can reason with you or Hans does not make the fact any different. It just means that you and your ilk prefer not to see the cultural differencdes and expand your knowledge.

Again, the root word for "gringo" is "griego" which means "Greek" but in old Castile came to mean "stranger" or "foreigner" and the word gradualy became contracted to "gringo" as first evidenced in 19th Century literature from the Americas (particulary the Viceroyalty of Lima and the magnificent epic poem, "Martín Fierro" from Argentina.)

P.S. "Cletus" is a noble name... of Greek origin, and its meaning is "illustrious" See, you take offense when I was sarcastically calling Hans "illustrious" when he failed to recognize a simple fact. You do understand sarcasm, do you not?

 

[zumahans]

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-----> In this case, Hispanics generally do not use gringo ONLY as an insult. As I said, it depends on context.

Uh, excuse me, that's not what you said. You said it was not perjorative. Now you say it is a perjorative, unless someone uses it in a different context.

Kinds like the n-word, right?

----->This type of knowledge should bring people together, not separate them.


Como se dice Kumbaya en Nahuatl?


------>For example, a person who is of a certain heritage would be siad, for example, to be of "Polish ascent" .


"Polish ascent?" Insert punch line here.

----->The root word for "gringo" is "griego" which means "Greek" but in old Castile came to mean "stranger" or "foreigner"

And the root word for n----r is negro which is Spanish for Black and also has evolved in common English as a perjorative, vile word.

------->P.S. "Cletus" is a noble name... of Greek origin, and its meaning is "illustrious" See, you take offense when I was sarcastically calling Hans "illustrious" when he failed to recognize a simple fact. You do understand sarcasm, do you not?

No, sir, it is you who does not understand English or popular American culture. Cletus is a derogatory name for an undereducated, hick of a white. Three generations of Americans recognize "Cletus The Slack Jawed Yokel" from the Simpsons: http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/cletus.jpg

Man, oh man, for someone who pretends to be an authority on the King's English you sure don't know you Sheeite from your Shinola.

 

[zumahans]

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---->>>> Again, you prove yourself not to know what a rimshot is.

I wasn't referring to the signals, I was refering to the formats.

According to Senor Sanchos Restaurant's website (the one in Ajo, not the poseur in Paso Robles), a rimshot format = out at the edge of U.S, imperialismo society.

Thanks for the addresses, though. Nasty letters to follow.

 

[davideduardo]

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-----> In this case, Hispanics generally do not use gringo ONLY as an insult. As I said, it depends on context.

Uh, excuse me, that's not what you said. You said it was not perjorative. Now you say it is a perjorative, unless someone uses it in a different context.

------>For example, a person who is of a certain heritage would be siad, for example, to be of "Polish ascent" .

No, sir, it is you who does not understand English or popular American culture. Cletus is a derogatory name for an undereducated, hick of a white. Three generations of Americans recognize "Cletus The Slack Jawed Yokel" from the Simpsons: http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/cletus.jpg

I said that gringo, on its own, is not a pejorative. It requires some modifier in context to be negative.

And, as I said, English shows heritage as "descent" while in Spanish the same concept of where you came from is "ascent." You may consider it amusing, but the difference is a good example of how one language is not just a literal translation of another. "I am of Irish descent" in Spanish is "soy de ascendencia irlandés."

Is that still funny? I did not get it the first time, so I guess I should have just skipped the whole thing.

And, since I have never seen a "Simpsongs" episode, I did not know that "Cletus" was used in a special way (demeanin?) there. So I picked the wrong name, and thus failed to make my point. I am sure the Furies will punich me for failing to watch the Sompsons...ever. The rage of Mars will vanquish me, as I have never seen an episode of Seinfeld, either. Woe is me.

 

[zumahans]

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Maybe you should get in touch with the popular culture of the country in which you live???

The Simpsons writers, like you and me, associate Cletus with a dimwit. A cracker. A gringo, in the proper context (i.e. used by a hispano-american).

If I ever move back to Mexico permanently (oh, yes, Dave, I spent a wonderful year there as a boy), I assure you I will watch Chespirito reruns until her skirt finally falls off.

 

[davideduardo]

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---->>>> Again, you prove yourself not to know what a rimshot is.

I wasn't referring to the signals, I was refering to the formats. As in rimshot formats: out at the edge of U.S, imperialismo society.

---->>>> Dumb remark.

OK, it was a longshot. Thanks for the addresses, though. Letters to follow.

---- >>>> I can hardly wait. Since I am not part of the local operation staff of any station, but of a company called "Servicio de Infomación Programativa," I presume that they will go right to the trash. In any case, the last time I saw someone inspect the public file was about 25 years ago, and it was not even at a station I worked with. Knock yourself out.

--->>> Amazing. A complaint about word meaning on a radio board between two people using screen names. Hilarious. And frivolous.

---->>>> It will be useful, though, as anonymous letters do not have to be filed, so you will have to give your full name and address for the letter to be put in a public file. Then I will be able to find out exactly who you area and what your background really is. Should be interesting.

 

[zumahans]

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Hey, Flaco, go Google "Cletus" and tell me what you find. Or Yahoo, doesn't matter.

 

[zumahans]

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---->>>> It will be useful, though, as anonymous letters do not have to be filed, so you will have to give your full name and address for the letter to be put in a public file. Then I will be able to find out exactly who you area and what your background really is. Should be interesting.


Ooo, maybe the Univision Security staff will come out and pay me a visit? You sound like Bill O'Reilly.

Hey, what if I use a fake name? Does Homeland Security come out to check?

"Calling all cars, we have a 10-14 alpha in Los Angeles. Repeat, a 10-14 alpha in Los Angeles. Someone filing an FCC complaint with a fake name. Code two high."

 

[davideduardo]

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If I ever move back to Mexico permanently (oh, yes, Dave, I spent a wonderful year there as a boy), I assure you I will watch Chespirito reruns until her skirt finally falls off.

I have no interest in that kind of TV show. There are only so many hours in the day, and to watch that would be a waste. In additon, I tend not to find sitcoms, animated or not, to be relevant as they deal with elements of US "culture" from periods of time when I was not living in the US. In other words, they are not funny as I do not relate to them.

I only lived in Mexico a year as a teen while doing an internship. I can hardly move "back" to a country I was never a resident of (I was a student, not a resident).

Oh, and finally, "Chespirito" is a guy. You did not even know that. And the comedy of Gómez Bolaños is increibly clever, rivaling Cantinflas for the social and cultural commentaries that run at the adult level while the slapstic carries the momentum forward.

 

[davideduardo]

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---->>>> It will be useful, though, as anonymous letters do not have to be filed, so you will have to give your full name and address for the letter to be put in a public file. Then I will be able to find out exactly who you area and what your background really is. Should be interesting.


Ooo, maybe the Univision Security staff will come out and pay me a visit? You sound like Bill O'Reilly.

There is no security staff I know of. And I did not mean that. And you know it. I meant you would be exposed and subject to scrutiny. We would know finally what credentials you have for all your comments and inaccuracies.