• Get involved.
    We want your input!
    Apply for Membership and join the conversations about everything related to broadcasting.

    After we receive your registration, a moderator will review it. After your registration is approved, you will be permitted to post.
    If you use a disposable or false email address, your registration will be rejected.

    After your membership is approved, please take a minute to tell us a little bit about yourself.
    https://www.radiodiscussions.com/forums/introduce-yourself.1088/

    Thanks in advance and have fun!
    RadioDiscussions Administrators

Smooth Jazz/AC formats left

Nick Gerard said:
Yes, I'd be very surprised if KJJZ changed formats. It's one of the stronger performers in this 4 station group, and from my perspecive in the production room there has been no talk about a format change.

The station has a lot going on: A smooth jazz Sunday Brunch and a Friday smooth jazz happy hour at 2 upscale resorts. The 2nd year of a Monday night football event. Plus, the station is involved with 2 separate smooth jazz music series featuring big name performers this season. These are not events just for exposure - all are revenue producers.

Here in l'il ol' market 129, much of ad sales is good old direct selling. There is a lot of repeat business on K-Jazz, due in part to the fact that at least a couple of our sales people are passionate about this station and its ability to deliver results for the advertisers. Plus, it's been doing smooth jazz for 14 years and is well-established in the market.

It's disappointing that smooth jazz FM is taking such terrible hits out there in the PPM markets. In Palm Springs, however, it's doing just fine.

Nick Summers

I have always opined that this format indeed has a future in certain small to medium-sized markets, notably those in resort areas and/or with a demo of affluent listeners, and Nick's observations seem to validate what some of us have been saying for the last 2 years on this board. But I still believe programmers and station operators need to challenge themselves to push the envelope, stay current, expand playlists, and be responsive to their base listeners. In the end, the ratings won't be huge, but steady enough to be profitable, provided the station's overhead stays low. I hate to always go back to Jones Radio Networks, but IMO, Jones did it as well as anybody in cultivating and holding onto passionate and loyal listeners of Smooth Jazz. Perhaps not by coincidence, a good number of Jones flagship affiliates were in small to medium-sized markets or in resort areas.
 
I thought I would add this comment here rather than starting a new thread.

KYOT might be changing, they switch their site back to the old yellow background after the breast cancer background and now the logo on the homepage seems to be missing. Maybe it's my computer, everything else on the site works. Maybe someone forgot to put it back. :-\

Just thought I would pass that along.
 
Looking at the stations that are left I can only say-Oh how the mighty have fallen. Say what you will but music is about growt, making music and having artists that are constantly growing and growing the audience. BA did nothing to assure the future of the music-now there are a pathetic few left and who knows for how long,But From the Ashes Rise The Phoenix-maybe within the next few years there will be some one who will help innovate the format and grow it with new artists and fresh music.
I will do my part
 
producer57 said:
But From the Ashes Rise The Phoenix-maybe within the next few years there will be some one who will help innovate the format and grow it with new artists and fresh music.
I will do my part

Here is a way to start. Just got back from 10 days in Eastern Europe where the music is still very much alive. Had some interesting conversations with folks in Poland. Young people are listening to it. This stream was on just about everywhere I went in Krakow Poland. Scroll down to the smoothjazz page. Hears some incredible music.

http://www.miastomuzyki.pl/

Nock
 
Al jarreau menitoned in the latest blog entry on his website that it seems like the torch has been handed across the ocean as far as keeping all types of jazz music alive and growing. Ask anyone who has been overseas for a festival or concert and they will mention that people of all ages are into the music and there are a lot more venues for showcasing it.

A lot of American artists who did not want to stick to smooth and relaxing have been working overseas too..Nicolisi Productions out of Italy, the guys from Novecento, have been working with a lot of them. They produced the new Deodato which has the best song Jarreau has done in years, they did a Chaka Kahn vocal with Billy Cobham that shows what she can do in 2010 while she still has to trot out a nostalgia act in the US..has a stellar lineup too. Both are supposed to be released within the next month.
 
Jazz_Kat said:
I thought I would add this comment here rather than starting a new thread.

KYOT might be changing, they switch their site back to the old yellow background after the breast cancer background and now the logo on the homepage seems to be missing. Maybe it's my computer, everything else on the site works. Maybe someone forgot to put it back. :-\

Just thought I would pass that along.

Update, KYOT's logo is back up. It's a slower loading logo, at least for me. :)

BTW, thanks for the information and link Nock. 8)
 
AnotherCat said:
Al jarreau menitoned in the latest blog entry on his website that it seems like the torch has been handed across the ocean as far as keeping all types of jazz music alive and growing. Ask anyone who has been overseas for a festival or concert and they will mention that people of all ages are into the music and there are a lot more venues for showcasing it.

It's just amazing to me that a genre of music that is truly American in origin is only thriving overseas. Meanwhile, the American public for the most part just doesn't get it. I work in a large corporate office and in our cafeteria they play the Music Choice "Smooth Jazz" channel, after changing it from one of the pop channels a few months ago. The recurring comment I hear almost everyone say is, "what's with the elevator music?"
 
The recurring comment I hear almost everyone say is, "what's with the elevator music?"
There are so many songs available now that are not elevatore music but both internet and traditional stations seem to be scared to break out of that "smooth and relaxing" framework. That concept came up in 1987 when stations were programming for an entirely different generation of 35-54 year olds and even then they overlooked the fact that a significant amount of their target demo were not afraid of tempo or guitar solos and horn sections.

It's sad that stations like Music Choice and XM's Watercolors which are not programmed by BA and conceivably have some leeway to innovate are afraid to step out of the outdated notions and program exciting contemporary instrumental music that appeals to todays 35-54 year olds!
 
Nick Gerard said:
Yes, I'd be very surprised if KJJZ changed formats. It's one of the stronger performers in this 4 station group, and from my perspecive in the production room there has been no talk about a format change.

And while the market is not all that ratings-driven, the station is a respectable if not great 3.1 share which is 11th overall. The good thing is that it is 10th in 25-54 and even 11th in 18-34, meaning the station delivers a nice slice across many demos. Another poster's idea that this format could work in smaller markets is certainly alive in Palm Springs / Coachella Valley. Its reported billings are not bad for the market... where there are 22 commercial signals and all kinds of translators and stuff as well as 4 non-coms. All of them slice up just $12 million a year in revenues, nearly 30% of which goes to the two Spanish language stations.
 
onairhead said:
You can scratch KWJZ off that list of remaining stations, just saw they flipped to CLICK 98.9 FM.

www.click989.com

That is sad. I listen to KWJZ a lot and just found out about this now. They were a great station with a great group of folks working with them. Now since a gaint like KWJZ has flipped, I wonder what will happened next. Thank goodness for The Wav.
 
The NAC/SJ format seems to pull more men than women, and be more 45-64 than 25-44. Thus, NAC/SJ doesn't fit into the national and ad-agency beauty contest demo: "25-54". Size of audience certainly matters...but the age make-up matters a ton!

So, if NAC/SJ's can't score enough national & ad agency business, where do they go for spot sales? Local-direct?

With local-direct advertising business (mostly Ma & Pa's) slower to recover in the current economic environment...where do NAC/SJ stations get enough revenue to make it a profitable business?

Ahhh...that would appear to be the problem.

In America today we have huge, national chain businesses, and 1-location Ma & Pa operators, and not much in between. And, a lot fewer multiple-location local businesses...the ones that traditionally had much bigger ad budgets than local 1-location stores.

The way I describe it is: "the middle". Multiple-location local businesses...local "chains" if you will, seem to have almost dissappeared. And, that middle is what many radio stations and newspapers lived off of for decades.

That makes running nitch formats so challening from a revenue standpoint: where are the advertisers? The "middle" is gone in America today! Very sad.
 
Saw this last night, ...

http://news.smoothjazznetwork.com/pages/posts/reno-adds-smooth-jazz-186.php

Listeners in Reno, NV just got even “luckier” –Smooth Jazz has just returned to the city. Smooth Jazz 1400/KBDB will be bringing fans of the format the best of Kenny G, Dave Koz, Sade, Seal and more, 24/7. Miguel Mena of Mas Multi Media and KBDB stated, “We are thrilled to bring Smooth Jazz back to Reno and also excited to join the Smooth Jazz network family.” For more information, contact Affiliate Manager Tom Sleeker at United Stations Radio Networks, (805) 719-2805.

smoothjazzreno.com is still up, though it is playing the new stream of 92.1 The Wolf.
 
Heck, who knows...maybe this format might work on AM in some markets.

Or, on FMs in small & medium markets.
 
Tim said:
Heck, who knows...maybe this format might work on AM in some markets.

Or, on FMs in small & medium markets.

I'm hearing everything I need on the 'net and more. And on my iPhone it's as portable as ever!!!

Good riddance to AM/FM. Who really needs 'em? I just tossed out my FM tuner that i paid $600 bucks for back in '85...a Yamaha T-2X. Haven't used it in over 10 years.

Start thinking outside the box and you'll be amazed.

AND I'M TYPING THIS WHILE LISTENING TO "WEDNESDAY'S CHILD" BY THE RIPPS ON THE .WAV....I'M COOKIN' WITH GAS, BABY....IT CAN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THIS!!!
 
The format is alive and well, as far as the music is concerned. Over the past two years, I have sampled and spun some of the best original contemporary jazz music I have heard in years. Sure, the options on the FM dial are increasingly limited. I know it's disappointing to see the continuing spate of flips. But seriously guys, we all knew this was coming. This format was set up for failure once the powers that be decided to make it into a format it never was. It was a flawed strategy to appeal to the masses through the lowest common denominator, while hanging base listeners out to dry. Greed, nothing more, and nothing less, got us to this point. What gets us out will be a commitment from those involved in the production and delivery of this wonderful music, from the studio to the ears of our consumers, i.e., the listeners, to get back to the principles that made this a true adult alternative format in the late 1980s. The days of the big boys like WQCD, WNUA, and the old KTWV are over. But in time, with the quality of the music that is being produced these days, I can easily see this format re-emerging in small and medium sized markets with the right leadership, a commitment to imaginative programming, a willingness to adapt, and EMBRACE base listeners, namely the ones who have kept the discussion on this board alive and thought-provoking over the last couple of years.

Consider me the cockeyed optimist in a sea of pessimism. But the music being made these days is far too good for this format to go the way of Beautiful Music. Look at Koz's latest. Look at the Ripps' latest. These guys are legends who, like so many of their contemporaries, fell victim to Kepler's Medusa-like stare. But somewhere along the way, they remembered that they were once some of the best musicians this genre had ever seen, and said "to hell with demos and consultants" and got back to the basics.
 
Nick Gerard said:
Yes, I'd be very surprised if KJJZ changed formats. It's one of the stronger performers in this 4 station group, and from my perspecive in the production room there has been no talk about a format change.

The station has a lot going on: A smooth jazz Sunday Brunch and a Friday smooth jazz happy hour at 2 upscale resorts. The 2nd year of a Monday night football event. Plus, the station is involved with 2 separate smooth jazz music series featuring big name performers this season. These are not events just for exposure - all are revenue producers.

Here in l'il ol' market 129, much of ad sales is good old direct selling. There is a lot of repeat business on K-Jazz, due in part to the fact that at least a couple of our sales people are passionate about this station and its ability to deliver results for the advertisers. Plus, it's been doing smooth jazz for 14 years and is well-established in the market.

It's disappointing that smooth jazz FM is taking such terrible hits out there in the PPM markets. In Palm Springs, however, it's doing just fine.

Nick Summers
Sorry for the delayed reply...was out in Palm Springs
in Late October and was enjoying KJJZ...Do you think they picked up any listeners when KWXY FM shifted and moved their EZL/Standards to 1340?
 
Keplers arms have to be getting tired from treading the water he filled his pool with. AM really? Can hardly wait for the announcement of their first LPFM affiliate.

Acton, by the time the music makes it back to small market signals terrestrial radio will be no more. You know that.


Nock
 
Status
This thread has been closed due to inactivity. You can create a new thread to discuss this topic.


Back
Top Bottom