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SONGS YOU'D LOVE TO HEAR ON KRTH-FM!

DavidEduardo All you have to do is put a few such things in a music test for any format and you will see how much... almost violently... such music is rejected by 95% or more of the audience.

I would bet every single non-specialty show song is considered pretty positively if not totally great by all the individuals in the potential listener base.

Then, why all the complaints on KRTH tight playlist online and by word of mouth by people familiar with classic hits & oldies there. Why would 95% of the people in L.A reject "new oldies & classics"??

Why can other stations (small & large markets) get away with lower charting singles, the cheesies, the unfamiliars, the countdowns, the themes..etc.. no matter what city they are in (Denver, NYC & others). Stations like WLNG, WCBS, KONO, & KXKL & others? Why is KRTH the only major classic hits station so restrictive then?? Why do the audiences in L.A. tolerate so little variety, even before testing?? I'm seriously at a loss here D.E....Please explain.
 
oldies76 said:
Then, why all the complaints on KRTH tight playlist online and by word of mouth by people familiar with classic hits & oldies there. Why would 95% of the people in L.A reject "new oldies & classics"??

We are talking about a station cuming a million people, and your reference is to a half dozen, at best, seekers of songs most people do not want to hear any more.

Most people who listen to gold based formats are there for the memories. The memories may be specific or just related to happy times when life seemed simpler. There are no memories associated with unknown songs, and there is no interest in songs listeners stopped liking.

Why can other stations (small & large markets) get away with lower charting singles, the cheesies, the unfamiliars, the countdowns, the themes..etc.. no matter what city they are in

Less competition.

(Denver, NYC & others).

We have already shown you that the regular playlists of the classic hits stations in those markets is very similar to KRTH. The differences are due to local taste as shown by research.

Stations like WLNG,

Which is in a market of 115,000... not even top 200 in the US... where 70% of all listening is not even to local stations.

WCBS, KONO, & KXKL & others? Why is KRTH the only major classic hits station so restrictive then?? Why do the audiences in L.A. tolerate so little variety, even before testing?? I'm seriously at a loss here D.E....Please explain.

I am positive they test broadly beyond the playlist. You have no basis to know what they think before testing (it costs no more to test 650 songs than 500, you know), so don't inject unproven and unlikely theories about what goes on at a station in this discussionl

But, again, aside from specialty shows in dayparts with miniscule listening levels, the regular libraries are about identical in variety (size) but are definitely different due to geography.
 
DavidEduardo We have already shown you that the regular playlists of the classic hits stations in those markets is very similar to KRTH. The differences are due to local taste as shown by research.

But, again, aside from specialty shows in dayparts with miniscule listening levels, the regular libraries are about identical in variety (size) but are definitely different due to geography.

We'll leave it at that..thanks for the information David.

By the way, I hear San Diego may have a new oldies / hits station soon. Good for them, they need one.
Hope it's similiar to the old KOOL 99.3.
 
oldies76 said:
We'll leave it at that..thanks for the information David.

By the way, I hear San Diego may have a new oldies / hits station soon. Good for them, they need one.
Hope it's similiar to the old KOOL 99.3.

It's CBS and it is rumored that it is going to start as a clone of KRTH, musically, untill they do some local testing.
 
Listening to KRTH & WCBS online for past few days!


WCBS- ELO/Don't Bring Me Down, Paul Simon, Cliff Richard, Bruce Springsteen, Romantics and the strange/bad list goes on...are you kidding me?

KRTH- Doors/Love Her Madly, Elvis, O'Jays, Jose Feliciano, Steely Dan, James Taylor, Fleetwood Mac, Sam Cooke, Todd Rundgren and the good stuff goes on!

No contest...KRTH by a mile !

Seriously oldies76 and anyone else...Can you honestly say after listening to both for just an hour...That if you had to pick one, you'd pick WCBS over KRTH?
 
airpab Seriously oldies76 and anyone else...Can you honestly say after listening to both for just an hour...That if you had to pick one, you'd pick WCBS over KRTH?

It depends on the hour you are listening to (geez, I thought you were on my side..but that's ok).

I personally like WCBS over KRTH currently, because of the selection it offers. I like the extras, I've already mentioned 100 times it seems. Hearing more of a mix of some 60's, 70's & 80's, with a few rare late 50's and some extras is what I've been looking for, since KRTH changed to a restrictive list back in 1989 or so. The years of Bob Hamilton (PD) was the KRTH I really enjoyed.

KRTH, like I've said before, has gotten MUCH better lately since 1989. The only reservation I have is the more frequent repetiveness of their playlist over WCBS's.

KRTH has a wonderful, incredible selection of hits, but right now CBS appeals more.
 
airpab No contest...KRTH by a mile !

By the way, did you hear WCBS this afternoon?? They played the Top 101 Motown songs of all-time, all in a row (101 - 1) Something KRTH does not do at all. Might want to check out the "songs played list"..

If you like Motown, this was your day!

It began at Noon today.

And it's motown from the 60's thru 1980.. Amazing stuff, and some rarities too!
 
oldies76 said:
airpab No contest...KRTH by a mile !

By the way, did you hear WCBS this afternoon?? They played the Top 101 Motown songs of all-time, all in a row (101 - 1) Something KRTH does not do at all. Might want to check out the "songs played list"..

If you like Motown, this was your day!

It began at Noon today.

And it's motown from the 60's thru 1980.. Amazing stuff, and some rarities too!

And if you were overloaded on Motown...you were back to WLTW by # 93.
 
DavidEduardo said:
oldies76 said:
For KRTH to be the way, THEY USED TO BE, they need to check out WCBS 101.1 Classic Hits out of New York City. They have an ENORMOUS playlist, many times larger than KRTH's. They play TONS of 70's, some 60's and some nice 80's hits, not just "I Can Dream About You" or "Footloose" ..etc..

Ah, I love watching an urban legend being build. When you exclude specialty shows, the KRTH and WCBS lists are truly in the same vicinity.

David,

You're wrong about their playlists. According to Mediabase...

KRTH plays 703 songs
WCBS plays 1223 songs

Big difference!
 
LAFMDJ said:
David,

You're wrong about their playlists. According to Mediabase...

KRTH plays 703 songs
WCBS plays 1223 songs

Big difference!

Take out the speciaty shows in no-listening dayparts, and the library is very similar.

The way to do this is to get 7 days worth of daily logs, combine them in Excell, and eliminate the songs in the specialty show time periods and kill the multiple song listenings for repeated songs so each shows once only. Pretty easy to do, but tedious. Takes about an hour to an hour and a half to do both stations.

For example, of the 603 songs WCBS spun one time in the last 7 days, about 112 were specialty show exclusives, giving the station around 480 to 490 regular programming tunes in any given week.

Of 548 songs played on KRTH last week, only about 40 were specialty show exclusives. That means that KRTH has a bigger regular library on a week to week basis.
 
BackinUSSR And if you were overloaded on Motown...you were back to WLTW by # 93.

Hey, at least CBS does what ALL oldies/classic stations should do..entertain their listeners with themed weekends.


Airpab...this whole thread has been fun since Day 1, believe me. And it continues.........
 
DavidEduardo For example, of the 603 songs WCBS spun one time in the last 7 days, about 112 were specialty show exclusives, giving the station around 480 to 490 regular programming tunes in any given week.

Of 548 songs played on KRTH last week, only about 40 were specialty show exclusives. That means that KRTH has a bigger regular library on a week to week basis.

What about the songs that WCBS plays at times during the day, all 7 days, during popular dayparts, that are not part of the "regular" playlist and are not part of specialty shows & countdowns.. These are the "above & beyond" songs I'm talking about....the extras. Browsing through CBS's "songs played list", you'll see a quite a few of those everyday, especially afternoons and evenings. How do we count and categorize those songs?? If they are counted, then CBS's total playlist is either equal to KRTH's or even slightly more, weekly.

And remember too David, since WCBS does air more specials daily and on weekends than KRTH, the actual airtime availability for these playlisted songs would be less than KRTH. So that gives KRTH an unfair advantage to the actual total count of playlisted songs.

So yes, KRTH may rotate more (non-specialty) songs than WCBS. This is because, KRTH has more time weekly, to air them in the first place, since they have very little specialty shows.
 
oldies76 said:
What about the songs that WCBS plays at times during the day, all 7 days, during popular dayparts, that are not part of the "regular" playlist and are not part of specialty shows & countdowns.. These are the "above & beyond" songs I'm talking about....the extras. Browsing through CBS's "songs played list", you'll see a quite a few of those everyday, especially afternoons and evenings. How do we count and categorize those songs?? If they are counted, then CBS's total playlist is either equal to KRTH's or even slightly more, weekly.

You do not get that I took every single song played by each station all week. Every one of them, by hour and minute from the real time log on MediaBase, and then I removed all the songs in the specialty show hours so what I have is every song played outside the specialty shows.

You don't understand the terms very well, so here goes: Library is every song eligible to play sometime. The library is organized in categories. Categories are put on clocks. The regular play categories play all week except specialty shows. The specialty show categories do not play in the day in and day out regular clocks. Some regular category songs are dayparted, and may not play in certain hours due to tempo, age, etc.

MediaBase has an aural fingerprint of nearly every song that could be played on the radio. Their receivers listen 24/7 to nearly 2000 stations and they match the songs on the radio with the fingerprint, so the can tell instantly the exact name and title of nearly every song.

As I said, I took the MediaBase lists for KRTH and WCBS and stripped the specialty hours. I then sorted by artist and title and removed duplicats. I ended up with the non-specialty show regular play songs for a week for each.

And remember too David, since WCBS does air more specials daily and on weekends than KRTH, the actual airtime availability for these playlisted songs would be less than KRTH. So that gives KRTH an unfair advantage to the actual total count of playlisted songs.

The average CBS song plays 3.3 times a week. If it misses another spin in the specialty show shifts, it still got played several other times. A third of the regular category library´plays 4 to 6 times a week on CBS, so all that the specialty shows do is slow down the rotations a bit.


So yes, KRTH may rotate more (non-specialty) songs than WCBS. This is because, KRTH has more time weekly, to air them in the first place, since they have very little specialty shows.

It does not work that way. Most of the songs on both stations get over 3 spins, so the specialty shows just slow the rotations a bit.

Just as an example, I work with 10 classic hits stations, and there is not a song in the regular categories (11 categories, by the way) that does not spin twice a week, even though our base library is over 900 songs... not including specialty shows and fill songs.
 
oldies76 said:
BackinUSSR And if you were overloaded on Motown...you were back to WLTW by # 93.

Hey, at least CBS does what ALL oldies/classic stations should do..entertain their listeners with themed weekends.


Airpab...this whole thread has been fun since Day 1, believe me. And it continues.........

In your opinion. Some people like the station that they tune into during the week.
So why make it "disappear" on weekends?
 
BackinUSSR So why make it "disappear" on weekends?

So, no simple variety & themes on classic hits stations then.

You just like the same 502 songs to play again & again, with no other options. Boring!
 
oldies76 said:
BackinUSSR So why make it "disappear" on weekends?

So, no simple variety & themes on classic hits stations then.

You just like the same 502 songs to play again & again, with no other options. Boring!

No, those are the 502 songs that their audience has told them that they want to hear.
If there was a demand for "Hats Off To Larry" as well, it would be 503....but if there's not
its best to leave it off.

Do you wear all the clothes in your closet all the time, just because you have them? Do you decide, hey I'm gonna dress like its the 80's on weekends or wear bell bottoms on Sunday nights?
Do you even keep it all?
Probably not. You probably wear the same basic wardrobe that most people wear although if you went out
in parachute pants, platform shoes and a skinny tie it would certainly qualify as "variety".
 
DavidEduardo said:
MediaBase has an aural fingerprint of nearly every song that could be played on the radio. Their receivers listen 24/7 to nearly 2000 stations and they match the songs on the radio with the fingerprint, so the can tell instantly the exact name and title of nearly every song.

So how many times did KOOL-FM Phoenix play Brown Eyed Girl
last week? Still averaging four spins a day? ;D
 
oldiesfan6479 So how many times did KOOL-FM Phoenix play Brown Eyed Girl
last week? Still averaging four spins a day?

That would be absurd if it's true..... At least KRTH does not do that.
It's from 1967, not 2008 (CHR) for gosh sakes.

Once a day is plenty enough.
 
oldiesfan6479 said:
So how many times did KOOL-FM Phoenix play Brown Eyed Girl
last week? Still averaging four spins a day? ;D

11 spins in last week, or once every 19 hours, approximately. The week before it played 9 times.

The spins over the last 12 weeks have been 11, 9, 9, 8, 7, 9, 7, 8, 9, 10, 9, and 9 so you can see the range averages 8 to 9 spins a week.

Over the last 10 years, it has spun approximately 410 times a year, or about every 21 hours.

So it was on the high side of the mean last week, but well within the long-term historic range.

It never played 4 times a day in since 1998... I just checked.
 
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