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THREE DOG NIGHT OM MOYL

Chimp said, "Westwood One adult standards was virtually ignoring the real standards in favor of adult contemporary music. Surely not all of that music survived when Dial Global took over"

Yes. THAT was a case of the "sales department" driving the format. Your "real standards" pushes the average age of the listeners UP so it is very difficult to sell advertising. Adding stuff (in moderation) as those songs we have discussed allows "older folks-
(by that I mean people over 70)" to NOT tune out, while accomodating younger (by younger I mean 60 year olds) to listen.

Mark my words. Adult Standards will be adding "classic hits" SOON and VERY SOON.
 
Prais said:
Chimp said, "Westwood One adult standards was virtually ignoring the real standards in favor of adult contemporary music. Surely not all of that music survived when Dial Global took over"

Yes. THAT was a case of the "sales department" driving the format. Your "real standards" pushes the average age of the listeners UP so it is very difficult to sell advertising. Adding stuff (in moderation) as those songs we have discussed allows "older folks-
(by that I mean people over 70)" to NOT tune out, while accomodating younger (by younger I mean 60 year olds) to listen.

Mark my words. Adult Standards will be adding "classic hits" SOON and VERY SOON.
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Not going to happen, but we are GOING TO SEE THE KING.

Thankyewvermuch.

In any case, Dial Global has kept moving the format in the right direction over the past several years. I suppose the recent developments show that maybe they're turning around, but only slightly because I still hear the really good stuff from time to time. These are songs they have to make a real effort to play, and I hope they'll continue.

On the other hand, there are times when just for a few minutes it seems they're obsessed with the 70s or the 80s. They need to keep a balance. And they don't need to be jumping back and forth between musical styles. This morning everything was pretty much even. Nothing extreme in either direction, and no train wrecks.
 
Chimp said, "You do realize a few years ago Westwood One adult standards was virtually ignoring the real standards "
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Chimp, I know what YOU mean by "real standards" - your definition fits people 80+ years of age. "Tennessee Waltz" by Patty Page/Because of You by Tony Bennett, etc.

However, the word "standards" is NOT like the word "Chevrolet." A Chevy is a Chevy.

In this case, "Standards" are "in the EAR of the programmer" (Chick and his assistants). To THEM, "Standards" mean a survey score, the "texture" and the right # of beats per minute. Mash it all up in "Selector" and push the button to spit it out. It would be an additional NUMBER definition in the dictionary.

It's "art" reduced to "science" so a computer logarithm can schedule
it, not a human.

It knows to NOT play (eg.) 2 slow songs, or 2 fe vocals, or 2 country songs in a row, and to make it all end at 59:49 every hour. It knows to play 5:59 of music in the first break (for stations without hourly news) and the "filler" songs (I think those are 3:00) for when there are "optional" breaks."

The GOOD news is, that it sounds the same in Florida as it does in Oregon. The BAD news is,that it sounds the same in Florida as it does in Oregon.

The format is very restrictive in many ways. It is preplanned a few MONTHS in advance. The guys that work the format, like Jeff Rollins, are extraordinary.
 
Prais said:
Chimp said, "You do realize a few years ago Westwood One adult standards was virtually ignoring the real standards "
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Chimp, I know what YOU mean by "real standards" - your definition fits people 80+ years of age. "Tennessee Waltz" by Patty Page/Because of You by Tony Bennett, etc.
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But they are playing these now. Or were a few months ago. And they should.
 
Yes, they certainly should play them, but they shouldn't totally AVOID those other songs, because THEY TOO are "standards" if you are a certain age, (and/or mindset) and those are the REAL people they need to attract to get advertising.

It is very easy in "Selector" to "weigh" each song so some "standards" play MORE than others. I believe they have been frequently adjusting the "weight" back and forth during the past few years.

As I mentioned, the SALES dept. wants the newer (and less Chimp friendly) stuff, while the older guys (who program - like Chick) WANT Amazing Grace by Pete Fountain and Lover Come Back to Me by Brook
Benton and Lonely Wine by Les Baxter and Blue Room by the McGuire Sisters. I LOVE those, too.
 
Prais said:
Yes, they certainly should play them, but they sholdn't totally AVOID those other songs, because THEY TOO are "standards" if you are a certain age, (and/or mindset) and those are the REAL people they need to attract to get advertising.
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On that subject, this is a song that has been on standards radio for so long I suppose it could be accepted as a standard, but I remember being in the library in high school. I don't remember why a radio was playing THERE, but Leo Sayer's "When I Need You" came on and this girl said, "I love this song." I heard it this morning on Jeff Rollins' show.
 
Prais said:
That format has tremendous research. Believe me. Certainly, better than timeless.
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Still, I remember Timeless Classics sounding perfect before 2006. At times. Especially if the morning DJ went on vacation and they went to the satellite. But that's because that guy was trying to please fans of our long-gone oldies station.
 
Why would that change?
Here's why;

A 50 year old in 2006 was born in 1956.

The general "standard" (forgive that word) of this sort of thing assumes that people are MOST attracted to the music popular when THEY were a Senior in High School.

That 18 year old's graduating class went to the record store and boughtThe Bay City Rollers, CW Mcall, Barry Manilow, The Ohio Players, and watched Welcome Back, Kotter on tv.

They were 18 in 1974. WHY would MOST of them want to hear Tony Bennett and Jo Stafford??? They'd b interested in "Boogie Fever by the Silvers.

Only a few of these songs are on Adult Standards.

Act like Chick, and do the math.

I'm NOT being a wise guy about any of this This is their way of figuring this out.
 
I started listening to top 40 at a time when Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Henry Mancini and Peggy Lee could still get some airplay. So these artists were not foreign to me. I worked in MOR and A/C radio so this knowledge came in handy.

My 22 year old daughter loves Nat King Cole, Rosemary Clooney and Julie London. I have contaminated here. The same thing with my 29 year old daughter, she loves Big Band music. We took her out to a deli she wanted to eat at for her birthday and I was amazed that they were playing XM's 40's on 4, really loud.

So maybe we should contaminate the youth of America. It probably won't generate big numbers but believe me lots of kids out there are looking for something different.
 
Bib Band "came back" for 5 minutes in the 60's, too.

Now adays, Brian Setzer and the Glenn Miller Orch still play occasional dates. It must cost an arm and a leg to travel those groups.
 
Prais said:
It must cost an arm and a leg to travel those groups.
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It does, which is one reason they don't tour a lot. It is easier to book them on a cruise ship for a couple of months.

The good news is they don't need to bring a giant production crew and lots of equipment with them. Most large scale rock or country tours usually have six to ten tractor trailers full of sound lights, staging, band gear, video support and the all-important concessions. Many tours have a lot more. The biggest one I ever worked on had a support crew of 36 people, not counting the band. By today’s standards that is small. That is one-reason concert tickets cost the earth.
 
Simple things here! MOYL in the last several years has had to attract younger listeners to get advertising. They're trying to get 40-65 year old listeners which they badly need. Overall I enjoy the format and did even when it played those 40's and 50's tunes a lot. I still love good EZ tunes, but you can't sell it and your station stay on the air. I wish there were more FM stations which carried it.
 
Just a regular Joe Schmo 25 year old radio ad salesman or salesette won't do this format justice.

Someone with a bit of age on him - or especially a fe-person, would do VERY well with this.

You need to find someone who LOVES "the Great American Songboook" and can tell a customer WHY all those grannys and grandpas will beef if the stores bottom line.
 
Mike Sheridan said:
I started listening to top 40 at a time when Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett, Henry Mancini and Peggy Lee could still get some airplay. So these artists were not foreign to me. I worked in MOR and A/C radio so this knowledge came in handy.

My 22 year old daughter loves Nat King Cole, Rosemary Clooney and Julie London. I have contaminated here. The same thing with my 29 year old daughter, she loves Big Band music. We took her out to a deli she wanted to eat at for her birthday and I was amazed that they were playing XM's 40's on 4, really loud.

So maybe we should contaminate the youth of America. It probably won't generate big numbers but believe me lots of kids out there are looking for something different.
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I saw the movie "Be Cool" last night. There wasn't a lot of what I would call good music. But what really amazed me was The Balck Eyed Peas were doing a song that could be considered a standard--sort of. The lyrics were naughty and so was Fergie's outfit. And there was a contemporary beat. But this is a starting point.
 
Chimp, The Black Eyes Peas song is NOT a standard, it's modern music.

Standards are Sinatra, Jo Stafford, Nat King Cole and that genre. Songs that have stood the test of time. No "naughty" lyrics there. I wuould consider "Louie Louie" and Satisfaction standards for
the "oldies" genertion.

What have the Black Eyed Pease done that fits that catergory?
 
Prais said:
Chimp, The Black Eyes Peas song is NOT a standard, it's modern music.

Standards are Sinatra, Jo Stafford, Nat King Cole and that genre. Songs that have stood the test of time. No "naughty" lyrics there. I wuould consider "Louie Louie" and Satisfaction standards for
the "oldies" genertion.

What have the Black Eyed Pease done that fits that catergory?
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It's called "Sexy". Now if they like this style, maybe they can get others interested. And then maybe the other people who get interested can hear the REAL standards without the extra incentive.
 
You were the one who said "naughty."

If WHO like this style? You are the one who is down on "rockin" the standards with 3 dog n, Journey, Paul McCarney, etc. Your "logic"is mystifying to me.
 
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