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Walton & Johnson looking for a new Flagship?

salemjedi54 said:
I think that black folk would buy Mutual insurance. A very successful investment planner advertises on KKDA/KKDA-FM & KRNB here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.

Skin color isn't my point. I can absolutely guarantee all the white listeners of The Box have no money either. They're either teens whose parents may or may not have money, or they're living the hip-hop lifestyle themselves, and they'll be poor for life.

This was a huge song when I was in the format. Give it a listen. It pretty well sums up the mentality of your average hip-hop listener. The unfortunate reality is most of them don't have Birdman's money and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iCd6UHR-3I
 
radiogooroo said:
salemjedi54 said:
I think that black folk would buy Mutual insurance. A very successful investment planner advertises on KKDA/KKDA-FM & KRNB here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area.

Skin color isn't my point. I can absolutely guarantee all the white listeners of The Box have no money either. They're either teens whose parents may or may not have money, or they're living the hip-hop lifestyle themselves, and they'll be poor for life.

This was a huge song when I was in the format. Give it a listen. It pretty well sums up the mentality of your average hip-hop listener. The unfortunate reality is most of them don't have Birdman's money and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iCd6UHR-3I

There are exceptions to every rule. You never know who listens to what.
 
Sad thing is the ones that listened to this probably didnt realize they were talking about them. Basically saying You got all of these things but your broke and nothing in your name, really your not as cool as you think. Sad really.
 
salemjedi54 said:
There are exceptions to every rule. You never know who listens to what.

Obviously, but if I were buying airtime, I wouldn't want to pay a premium price for exceptions. The people buying the ads for free cell phones have no doubt looked at all the qualitative data for KBXX and have figured out there's a huge market there for government assisted cell phones.
 
radiogooroo said:
salemjedi54 said:
I think that black folk would buy Mutual insurance.  A very successful investment planner advertises on KKDA/KKDA-FM & KRNB here in the Dallas/Fort Worth area. 

Skin color isn't my point.  I can absolutely guarantee all the white listeners of The Box have no money either.  They're either teens whose parents may or may not have money, or they're living the hip-hop lifestyle themselves, and they'll be poor for life. 

This was a huge song when I was in the format.  Give it a listen.  It pretty well sums up the mentality of your average hip-hop listener.  The unfortunate reality is most of them don't have Birdman's money and never will.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iCd6UHR-3I

First off, that song you posted was from YEARS ago. Times have changed my friend.

Second, for clarification, are you saying that those who listen to KBXX don't have any money, since you say all of the white listeners don't have any money "either"???? Because I'm a periodic listener of the station (since they are soooo repetative of the music) who is black, and so are friends of mine, and last i checked, my finances are all good. Never had to struggle, always had a steady job. And I know some friends of mine from the same background whom i've known for years come up the same way.

And about buying mutual insurance, I wouldn't be interested in it as a listener, not now anyway.
 
mr.ric said:
First off, that song you posted was from YEARS ago. Times have changed my friend.

Second, for clarification, are you saying that those who listen to KBXX don't have any money, since you say all of the white listeners don't have any money "either"???? Because I'm a periodic listener of the station (since they are soooo repetative of the music) who is black, and so are friends of mine, and last i checked, my finances are all good. Never had to struggle, always had a steady job. And I know some friends of mine from the same background whom i've known for years come up the same way.

And about buying mutual insurance, I wouldn't be interested in it as a listener, not now anyway.

Times have changed?

Well, enough KBXX listeners don't have any money that they're an attractive audience for the agencies making the buys for the "free" cell phone crowd (so broke that they qualify for government assistance) and the pre-paid cell phone crowd (people with bad credit.) Someone at those agencies has looked at the qualitative data for the station and determined that the listeners are either poor or make bad decisions with credit.

In the case of the "free" cell phones, a family of four has to make less than $22,350 per year to qualify. That's pretty damn broke.
 
radiogooroo said:
mr.ric said:
First off, that song you posted was from YEARS ago. Times have changed my friend.

Second, for clarification, are you saying that those who listen to KBXX don't have any money, since you say all of the white listeners don't have any money "either"???? Because I'm a periodic listener of the station (since they are soooo repetative of the music) who is black, and so are friends of mine, and last i checked, my finances are all good. Never had to struggle, always had a steady job. And I know some friends of mine from the same background whom i've known for years come up the same way.

And about buying mutual insurance, I wouldn't be interested in it as a listener, not now anyway.

Times have changed?

Well, enough KBXX listeners don't have any money that they're an attractive audience for the agencies making the buys for the "free" cell phone crowd (so broke that they qualify for government assistance) and the pre-paid cell phone crowd (people with bad credit.) Someone at those agencies has looked at the qualitative data for the station and determined that the listeners are either poor or make bad decisions with credit.

In the case of the "free" cell phones, a family of four has to make less than $22,350 per year to qualify. That's pretty damn broke.

Wow... I would love to see the proof of this. ::)
 
mr.ric said:
Wow... I would love to see the proof of this. ::)

Need proof? Listen to the station. The people buying ads on stations in market #6 can't afford to be wrong about the audience they're buying. That would be a very expensive mistake. Why would they purchase ads on the station for a product not intended to serve its audience?

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that the media buyers placing the ads on KBXX for government assisted cell phones have looked at the qualitative data for the station and decided that it merits a buy for their product. I have no idea what percentage of their audience makes less than $22,350 for a family of four, but it's large enough that they get the buys and stations like KILT, KKBQ, KKHH, KKRW, KODA, KRBE and KTRH don't.
 
radiogooroo said:
mr.ric said:
Wow... I would love to see the proof of this. ::)

Need proof? Listen to the station. The people buying ads on stations in market #6 can't afford to be wrong about the audience they're buying. That would be a very expensive mistake. Why would they purchase ads on the station for a product not intended to serve its audience?

There is absolutely zero doubt in my mind that the media buyers placing the ads on KBXX for government assisted cell phones have looked at the qualitative data for the station and decided that it merits a buy for their product. I have no idea what percentage of their audience makes less than $22,350 for a family of four, but it's large enough that they get the buys and stations like KILT, KKBQ, KKHH, KKRW, KODA, KRBE and KTRH don't.

All the more reasons why I shun commercial radio nowadays.
 
sdh483 said:
All the more reasons why I shun commercial radio nowadays.

Sure you do. On page 4 of this thread you were telling us what KONO sounds like. Last time I checked, they're a commercial radio station. I wouldn't really expect a classic hits fan / advocate like yourself to spend much time listening to hip-hop.
 
TheSpinMan said:
purpledevil said:
stan said:
But not in Houston. Out of options there, unless you think Gow would put them on 1560.

Oh yes, stan, in Houston. Pretty funny if they WERE to end up on 1560 but I highly doubt it. I figure, and this is just me, they'll end up @ CBS. That would mean either an end to Mix's 20+ year run as Hot AC or KILT's 30+ year run as country....unless, as mentioned earlier, KLOL and W&J reunite...as if once wasn't enough. ::) We will see.

It's over man. You do radio, I do marketing and demographics. W&J's audience is evaporating. The real purpose of radio is of course, to move products. Houston is becoming younger,and the consumer market is now increasingly driven by the children of millions of immigrants now coming of age, or, if they are native born whites or blacks, well, they all grew up together with the Hispanic kids into a culture that just ain't nothing like the world W&J come from, and they, for the most part, find W&J's so-called "humor" to be, well, disgusting. And now they are the ones who buy things. Mass market things. It's my guess that what W&J were having a real problem with is attracting advertisers. Dino rock in general is in big trouble, because it's hard to run a business with the kind of revenue you get from running ads for the local lawn sprinkler company. On top of that, and you can thank Mr. Limbaugh for this, national brand-name advertisers are also now starting to avoid "controversial" programming like the plague. A program designed around insulting blacks, gays, Hispanics and anyone who isn't some pick-up truck driving old ex-stoner, is going to die of strangulation in this media environment, any program with their kind of content is getting a big fat red flag tagged to it in the national account's ad-buy books, because no company makes money by pissing off it's customers, and anyone who runs an ad on W&J risks doing exactly that. It should work for them in Dallas and Louisiana for a while, but Houston is over. This is fast becoming a truly international city, and the mass market for semi-disguised racial hatred and sexual bigotry, well, it's over here.But hey, there may be something here for them, maybe they can do the "Michael Berry Show", and of course, there's always KSEV.

Mr. Spinman, I wholeheartedly agree with what you have posted. The show is well past its prime, and in my humble lil' opinion was always a poor man's version of the original Radio Gods, Stevens & Pruitt. Never could find myself a regular listener of W&J's. Some say it's the fact that they rely on the character voices, but that's not the problem as far as I see it. After all, I found the Uncle Waldo skits done by S&P to be down right funny. That right there was and is the problem that I have with W&J. Once you heard it done by the originals, the guys that come after them just seem to be rehashed. You sir put it eloquently, and I commend you for that. Where I differ from your train of thought is that Houston will not bring them back. Let me explain where I am coming from. W&J helped hammer in the death nail on a 35 year old heritage rock station in this town. Even so, they came back, this time with Cumulus. They bashed the living hell out of Clear Channel for what they did to KLOL, but when they became disenfranchised with the KIOL signal and the lack of leadership they apparently saw at Cumulus Media, it took them less than 6 months to make their way BACK to being gainfully employed by the very conglomerate that they bad mouthed just months earlier. Not only that, but Clear Channel fired the longtime morning show they already had in the stable and brought them back from the AM signal of KPRC and moved them to the FM side at KKRW, basically putting them right back on the level ground they were originally on at KLOL.

Spinman, I'm certainly not saying their shtick is relevant in any way any more, and truly can't say that it ever was. Entertaining to some, vulgarity to others. It is all a matter of taste. What I will continue to believe is that by hook or by crook these two yahoos will find another fool to air their product. I'd put money on it.
pd
 
Well, to understand where I am coming from, you have to understand how modern National Brand marketing departments work. People have this image of some big exec with a sitcom staff of handsome and cute twenty somethings placing ads and having fun, but the reality is that there is now really just a core of two people, the CFO and Marketing VP, supported by what amounts to a bunch of I/T nerds with MIS/Accounting degrees. The skill in being a top notch Marketing VP is in building a marketing organization out of other organizations, everything is contracted out these days, it allows a savvy VP to get the best mix and it also gives him the ability to change that mix at will based on current conditions. Here is a great example of these kinds of organizations that make up today's corporate marketing mix:

http://www.allied-media.com/hispanic market/hispanic market research.html

We all know Hispanics are the hot market, but a Marketing VP isn't going to run out and hire some sharp kids from East LA, he's going to write a check to those guys. Today's Marketing Departments are really just a mix of those kinds of targeting organizations.

The other guy, the CFO, his job is to write big fat checks. His fat checks filter thru these organizations like the one above, eventually reaching you Radio Gods at your particular Olympus as they attempt to use you to hit the particular segment they want to reach. The CFO doesn't like to write checks to black holes, he wants two things from the VP, a prediction on his Return on Investment before he spends the bread, and an analysis of how it all worked out after he's spent it, information which then is fed back into the loop for the next go round. The marketing staff prepares reports for the VP telling him what his organizational mix should be based on current trends. For the CFO, they prepare predictive models, analyze surveys, and then come up with an ROI report for the CFO and tell him what he can expect for his money, and it better be three pages or less, or someone is going to looking for a job. One of the key factors that is included in the report is the Risk Analysis. With the dawn of the Internet and now the Social Media Age, new risks to marketing investment have arisen that will obviously lead, IMO, to the end of "Shock Jock" radio. Before the Internet/SMA, all your marketing targets lived in their own little bubble, and your two main targets of mass marketing, were Joe Sixpack and June Cleaver, everything else were niche targets, and anything content-wise said in those niches never really got mass exposure to the other segments.

That world has come and gone. Now anything said on one segment is subject to the people we can call Internet Stormtroopers (something the Left is way ahead of the Right on BTW). Let's take Limbaugh's gaffe as an example: he makes his idiot remarks that make him sound like a total dope who doesn't realize women use birth control pills for other reasons than his claim they need them for gang-banging the men's dorm, they use them to control severe menstrual problems and other serious medical problems as well - in the old days, it would have been ha-ha, funny Rush, we all know those lefty girls are all sluts, wink wink. Well, Rush's remark get packaged into a Youtube vid of a balding, late middle aged, misogynist sneering into his microphone, and the National Organization for Women then sends it out in hot red outrage to their Stormtrooper contingent of say, 500,000 true believers, into their email and Facebook walls and whatever else, and as they send it to the three people they know, etc, etc do the math, now millions of women are screaming bloody outrage and it's become big news on the old TV, and next thing you know, 80 million women are seriously pissed off. Now, let's say I'm a CFO, and I just got a letter from Mediamatters and NOW, telling me that their Stormtroopers are going to be letting everyone know I ran an ad for my restaurant chain right when Rush was jamming his foot into his mouth, and I'm getting angry letters from women asking why I am paying Rush to call them sluts, and hey, do the math, the 20 million Rush listeners who heard my ad, which my marketing dept told me will result in 5% of them heading for my restaurant, well, once compared to the millions of women who are now going to tell Dad we are eating somewhere else, like forever, you get the point: ROI= - ($100,000,000). Now tell me, what do you think my Risk Analysis is going to say next time the subject of advertising on a political show is going to say?

Beck and Stern are the smart guys, they are both now in pay-wall bubbles where they can say their most outrageous schtick to idiots who pay to hear it only. Beck learned it the hard way with his "Obama's a racist" remark, even with great ratings the risk to Fox's bottom line just became to great, so they fired him. There's a lesson in that. Welcome to the new reality. And once you give it some thought, you'll also realize why Romney lost the election - AM radio lost it for him with their war on Hispanics and their 1950's view of women's rights, which bled out of their bubble like slaughtered pigs.
 
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