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WHY HAS 690 FAILED TO SHOW ?
- Thread starter jonbruce
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Lopaka said:The concensus seems to be that the 690 format is not working, does anybody have any ideas for a better format or business approach in general? The station's had a lot of success in the past, maybe it could again.
XETRA is "owned" by Grupo Prisa from Spain, the largest owner of staitons in the world, after Clear Channel. They have about 1,400 properties in 8 or 9 countries.
Unlike US companies that feel a need to deliver instant results, PRISA does have a more long-term outlook. They may, in fact, see the no-show as "normal" in their business plan. In any case, I suspect that thier answer will be to slowly adjust the format towards what they believe the audience wants. I know they did research, and they have invested a lot in infrastructure and they will likely get it right eventually.
I think the biggest mistake, as shown by putting the studio in Burbank, was to think they could have any impact in LA where they simply do not have a good enough signal over enough of the LA metro to have any impact at all. The only reason I could think of to locate in LA is accessability to radio talent, which is very hard to find in San Diego.
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-----> (XETV) is a rimshot. It is not in the market, and is in fact, licenced to Mexico's 7th or 8th largest market.
XETV is not a San Diego station?
This shows just how antiquated and incorrect your definitions are.
The San Diego television market is, what, more than 90 percent cable or sxtaellite saturated.
Nearly all San Diego residences get their television out of a descrambler box. XETV is in the lineup right between KSWB and whatever is on channel 7 on cable. On a DBS dish, it's KSWB, XETV, KFMB.
Studio, newscasts, sales, etc., all in San Diego. And by the way, XETV puts in a better signal to parts of east San Diego county than the Mt. Soledad signals of KFMB, KNSD and KGTV. There was a big uproar in El Cajon back in the 1960s or 70s when channel 6 nearly lost its U.S. network affiliation - people in eastern San Diego county were worried about losing their ONLY english TV station, channel 6 from TJ. They could not receive KCST/39, and 8 and 10 have substantial terrain issues in El Cajon and the east county.
Down in Baja: channel 6 has no employees, sales or viewers. Just the transmitter, a vestige of 1950s VHF frequency assignments that left San Diego with just two VHF holes for three network golf balls.
You are flat assed wrong when you maintain, incredibly, that Fox 6 San Diego is not a San Diego market TV station.
Wrong again, David. Just like when you said XEPRS is licensed to Tijuana, when it is in fact licensed to Rosarito.
Wrong a third time, when you said 91X and the other TJ radio sticks programming towards San Diego are not in the San Diego market.
Strike three, three errors of fact just in this thread alone. You're out.
XETV is not a San Diego station?
This shows just how antiquated and incorrect your definitions are.
The San Diego television market is, what, more than 90 percent cable or sxtaellite saturated.
Nearly all San Diego residences get their television out of a descrambler box. XETV is in the lineup right between KSWB and whatever is on channel 7 on cable. On a DBS dish, it's KSWB, XETV, KFMB.
Studio, newscasts, sales, etc., all in San Diego. And by the way, XETV puts in a better signal to parts of east San Diego county than the Mt. Soledad signals of KFMB, KNSD and KGTV. There was a big uproar in El Cajon back in the 1960s or 70s when channel 6 nearly lost its U.S. network affiliation - people in eastern San Diego county were worried about losing their ONLY english TV station, channel 6 from TJ. They could not receive KCST/39, and 8 and 10 have substantial terrain issues in El Cajon and the east county.
Down in Baja: channel 6 has no employees, sales or viewers. Just the transmitter, a vestige of 1950s VHF frequency assignments that left San Diego with just two VHF holes for three network golf balls.
You are flat assed wrong when you maintain, incredibly, that Fox 6 San Diego is not a San Diego market TV station.
Wrong again, David. Just like when you said XEPRS is licensed to Tijuana, when it is in fact licensed to Rosarito.
Wrong a third time, when you said 91X and the other TJ radio sticks programming towards San Diego are not in the San Diego market.
Strike three, three errors of fact just in this thread alone. You're out.
Yes, they are. They're also the largest market without MyNetwork. Markets don't cross international boundaries. Arbitron and Nielsen don't conduct San Diego surveys in Mexico, nor Buffalo or Detroit surveys in Canada. XETV and XHDTV aren't eligible for must-carry because they're not licensed to the market.
clichemoth said:Yes, they are. They're also the largest market without MyNetwork. Markets don't cross international boundaries. Arbitron and Nielsen don't conduct San Diego surveys in Mexico, nor Buffalo or Detroit surveys in Canada. XETV and XHDTV aren't eligible for must-carry because they're not licensed to the market.
In fact, to send US-origin programming across the border to Tijuana market stations, it requires a special FCC permit. And for a Tujuana market station to broadcast in English a special waiver of SCT rules is required.
This is sort of like what we saw in Canada, where the Canadian government disallowed tax deductability of money spent on advertising on US radio and TV stations.
zumahans said:You are flat assed wrong when you maintain, incredibly, that Fox 6 San Diego is not a San Diego market TV station.
Wrong again, David. Just like when you said XEPRS is licensed to Tijuana, when it is in fact licensed to Rosarito.
Wrong a third time, when you said 91X and the other TJ radio sticks programming towards San Diego are not in the San Diego market.
Strike three, three errors of fact just in this thread alone. You're out.
Since Channel 6 requires a 325-b waiver to import its programming form the US, even the US government agrees that it is not "in" the San diego market. It is a rimshot, from another market.
XEPRS is licenced in the Tijuana market, which includes a variety of jurisdictions, just like US markets. Since we are talking about markets, not city of license, the COL is irrelvant to this type of discussion.
No station licensed to Mexico is home to the San Diego market. They need Mexican government permission to broadcast in English, and the operator of the rimshot needs a US permit to send programming out of the US for foreign rebroadcast.
In any case, what the heck does any of this have to do with the fact that XETRA is not getting ratings in either San Diego or LA, despite having its studios in Burbank?
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In any case, what the heck does any of this have to do with the fact that XETRA is not getting ratings in either San Diego or LA, despite having its studios in Burbank?
Simple, David.
Anyone can see.
You made three errors of fact in this discussion about cross-border broadcasting.
The impeachment of your "expertise" continues ..... this isn't your clubby little soapbox anymore.
But more importantly, your misinformation about radio is getting challenged. Successfully.
And if you keep it up, I'm going to start posting them in this:Wrong! Wrong! El pluperfecto got it wrong!
Whoa. That's nauseating. I take it back, I will not resort to moving type when El Pluperfecto makes another sanctimonious sermon, fraught with errors.
Simple, David.
Anyone can see.
You made three errors of fact in this discussion about cross-border broadcasting.
The impeachment of your "expertise" continues ..... this isn't your clubby little soapbox anymore.
But more importantly, your misinformation about radio is getting challenged. Successfully.
And if you keep it up, I'm going to start posting them in this:Wrong! Wrong! El pluperfecto got it wrong!
Whoa. That's nauseating. I take it back, I will not resort to moving type when El Pluperfecto makes another sanctimonious sermon, fraught with errors.
zumahans said:In any case, what the heck does any of this have to do with the fact that XETRA is not getting ratings in either San Diego or LA, despite having its studios in Burbank?
Simple, David.
Anyone can see.
You made three errors of fact in this discussion about cross-border broadcasting.
The impeachment of your "expertise" continues ..... this isn't your clubby little soapbox anymore.
But more importantly, your misinformation about radio is getting challenged. Successfully.
And if you keep it up, I'm going to start posting them in this:Wrong! Wrong! El pluperfecto got it wrong!
Whoa. That's nauseating. I take it back, I will not resort to moving type when El Pluperfecto makes another sanctimonious sermon, fraught with errors.
And, again, what does your trumped up nonsense have to do with why XETRA fails to show in the ratings in Tijuaa, San Diego or LA?
This is not very nice. Sure, I don't always agree with David's gung-ho attitude regarding spanish formats, and the radio biz, but guess what? He has more authority to speak on the subject than any of us. David knows what he is talking about. You can't argue with fact, and you don't have to like it. But David is correct, those stations ARE NOT in San Diego. There's a long storied history between Channel 6, 10, 39 and 51. Why do you think 6 lost it's ABC affiliation in the 70's? This was because somebody went to the FCC and complained that a non-US station was running American programming (including news). Channel 39 and 51 both filed petitions with the FCC. Even recently, channel 6 had to drive their tapes accross the border, because they were not allowed to recieve network US signals for rebroadcast them. Go read the story on Wikipedia.org, most of the story is there.zumahans said:In any case, what the heck does any of this have to do with the fact that XETRA is not getting ratings in either San Diego or LA, despite having its studios in Burbank?
Simple, David.
Anyone can see.
You made three errors of fact in this discussion about cross-border broadcasting.
The impeachment of your "expertise" continues ..... this isn't your clubby little soapbox anymore.
But more importantly, your misinformation about radio is getting challenged. Successfully.
And if you keep it up, I'm going to start posting them in this:Wrong! Wrong! El pluperfecto got it wrong!
Whoa. That's nauseating. I take it back, I will not resort to moving type when El Pluperfecto makes another sanctimonious sermon, fraught with errors.
And David is also correct, this has NOTHING to do with XEPRS, or why 690 failed, or even San Diego radio in general.
690 failure had noting to do with any of this. It was because Clear-channel wanted to capitalize on the success of one of the country's first All Sports stations. There's more money to be made in LA, but how do you do that? They just could figure out how to do two markets with one station, and in the end, "Xtra Sports" found it selve in LA, and Xtra's old crew is all at 1090 now. Meanwhile, the LMA's with the X's counted as ownership, so 690 was gonner. It was the right thing for them to do.
Please don't diss David. He knows his stuff.
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What do David's mistakes have to do with XETRA's bad ratings?
It proves that many of arguments he introduced in this thread are technical, hair splitting, and wrong.
And by answering related questions that I pose, he carried his argument to its obvious ridiculous conclusion.
"Fox 6 San Diego" (as they identify themselves) is in the San Diego market. The stick where less than 10 percent of their audience gets their signal from is irrelevant these days. 90 percent of XETV viewers get a picture that has never left the United States - from studios in San Diego via fiber or cable or satellite to their homes.
91X is in the San Diego market. You are wrong.
XEPRS in not in Tijuana, it is in Rosarito. You were wrong. You made a mistake that you have corrected others for.
XEPRS is in the San Diego market, one of the highest billers. You are wrong if you say otherwise..
XEPRS did not have a mexican music format for 30 years, as you erroneously posted in this thread. At times, it had a half-brokered format, which may have explained its poor ratings, which is why you brought it up with your incorrect description of it. Again, you are wrong.
And XTRA is in the SD market, even though it gets ## marks there. Once more, the great and mighty emperor has made a mistake, impeaching the credibility of the person who makes the argument.
Sorry Garrret, just because the Old Gabacho is actually, in disguise, the great and mighty DE does not make him (and you) right.
It proves that many of arguments he introduced in this thread are technical, hair splitting, and wrong.
And by answering related questions that I pose, he carried his argument to its obvious ridiculous conclusion.
"Fox 6 San Diego" (as they identify themselves) is in the San Diego market. The stick where less than 10 percent of their audience gets their signal from is irrelevant these days. 90 percent of XETV viewers get a picture that has never left the United States - from studios in San Diego via fiber or cable or satellite to their homes.
91X is in the San Diego market. You are wrong.
XEPRS in not in Tijuana, it is in Rosarito. You were wrong. You made a mistake that you have corrected others for.
XEPRS is in the San Diego market, one of the highest billers. You are wrong if you say otherwise..
XEPRS did not have a mexican music format for 30 years, as you erroneously posted in this thread. At times, it had a half-brokered format, which may have explained its poor ratings, which is why you brought it up with your incorrect description of it. Again, you are wrong.
And XTRA is in the SD market, even though it gets ## marks there. Once more, the great and mighty emperor has made a mistake, impeaching the credibility of the person who makes the argument.
Sorry Garrret, just because the Old Gabacho is actually, in disguise, the great and mighty DE does not make him (and you) right.
zumahans said:What do David's mistakes have to do with XETRA's bad ratings?
It proves that many of arguments he introduced in this thread are technical, hair splitting, and wrong.
And by answering related questions that I pose, he carried his argument to its obvious ridiculous conclusion.
"Fox 6 San Diego" (as they identify themselves) is in the San Diego market. The stick where less than 10 percent of their audience gets their signal from is irrelevant these days. 90 percent of XETV viewers get a picture that has never left the United States - from studios in San Diego via fiber or cable or satellite to their homes.
91X is in the San Diego market. You are wrong.
XEPRS in not in Tijuana, it is in Rosarito. You were wrong. You made a mistake that you have corrected others for.
XEPRS is in the San Diego market, one of the highest billers. You are wrong if you say otherwise..
XEPRS did not have a mexican music format for 30 years, as you erroneously posted in this thread. At times, it had a half-brokered format, which may have explained its poor ratings, which is why you brought it up with your incorrect description of it. Again, you are wrong.
And XTRA is in the SD market, even though it gets ## marks there. Once more, the great and mighty emperor has made a mistake, impeaching the credibility of the person who makes the argument.
Sorry Garrret, just because the Old Gabacho is actually, in disguise, the great and mighty DE does not make him (and you) right.
You still have not said anything meaningful about the subject of the thread.... which is "Why has 690 failed to show?"
Your other arguments are pure nonsense. Nobody would believe that staitons from another country, that require permits from two governments to broadcast US content in English, are home to or, as you inaccurately describe it, "in," San Diego. They are adjacent to San Diego, and in another recognized metro, but have chosen to sacrifice serving thier home market for the gold of San Diego. But that does not make them San Diego staitons, as they are not in the market...they are programming to it from afar.
As to you absurd item on XEPRS (which you called XPRS) you know I was referring to the market it is located in, which is Tijuana. Just as KHTS is in the San Diego market, although licensed to El Cajon... El Cajon in 100% contained in the SD MSA. (Oh, you would not have known what XEPRS billed had I not mentioned it. You probably thought it was a low biller, as other posters did.)
In other words, you are just obfuscating and detracting from the discussion of the issue in the post: XETRA's failure to show in the ratings of LA, SD or Tijuana.
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---->You still have not said anything meaningful about the subject of the thread.... which is "Why has 690 failed to show?"
Because I had to correct your sloppy scholarship, David, a tedious job but one I will do, kind of like the guy with the puke bucket at Legend City.
----> Nobody would believe that staitons from another country, that require permits from two governments to broadcast US content in English, are home to or, as you inaccurately describe it, "in," San Diego.
XETV: on the air as "Fox 6 San Diego", San Diego's 2d highest rated TV station, but not in San Diego
XEPRS studios: 3655 Nobel Drive #470, San Diego, CA 92122, but not in San Diego.
91X studios: 9660 Granite Ridge Drive, Suite #200 San Diego, CA 92123. But the CC complex is not in San Diego.
Local newspaper:
>"Mighty 1090 growing into an XX
... Beginning at 8:45 a.m. today, XPRS-AM (1090), San Diego's only local all-sports station, no longer will be known as The Mighty 1090...<"
- San Diego Union Tribune
----->That does not make them San Diego staitons, as they are not in the market...they are programming to it from afar....
Yeah, as in "the afar" side of San Diego, like Nobel Drive and Granite Ridge ...
-----> As to you absurd item on XEPRS (which you called XPRS) you know I was referring to the market it is located in, which is Tijuana.
No, you had just corrected a guy in Baltimore, of all places, for saying it was in Tijuana. Then you, yourself, incorrectly said XEPRS is a Tijuana station.
----->Just as KHTS is in the San Diego market, although licensed to El Cajon...
And just as XETV viewers, the vast majority of whom do not get a signal from Mexico, watch Fox programming on a San Diego station, uplinked from San Diego, fibered to the cable headend from San Diego, marketed to the San Diego market,
----->In other words, you are just obfuscating and detracting from the discussion of the issue in the post: XETRA's failure to show in the ratings of LA, SD or Tijuana.
No David, I am detracting from your erroneous posts. I will be here to do it every single time you insult someone for making a technical error that you yourself indulge in.
Perhaps you need another identity transplant. That worked for a couple of days last week before you were smoked out ....
Because I had to correct your sloppy scholarship, David, a tedious job but one I will do, kind of like the guy with the puke bucket at Legend City.
----> Nobody would believe that staitons from another country, that require permits from two governments to broadcast US content in English, are home to or, as you inaccurately describe it, "in," San Diego.
XETV: on the air as "Fox 6 San Diego", San Diego's 2d highest rated TV station, but not in San Diego
XEPRS studios: 3655 Nobel Drive #470, San Diego, CA 92122, but not in San Diego.
91X studios: 9660 Granite Ridge Drive, Suite #200 San Diego, CA 92123. But the CC complex is not in San Diego.
Local newspaper:
>"Mighty 1090 growing into an XX
... Beginning at 8:45 a.m. today, XPRS-AM (1090), San Diego's only local all-sports station, no longer will be known as The Mighty 1090...<"
- San Diego Union Tribune
----->That does not make them San Diego staitons, as they are not in the market...they are programming to it from afar....
Yeah, as in "the afar" side of San Diego, like Nobel Drive and Granite Ridge ...
-----> As to you absurd item on XEPRS (which you called XPRS) you know I was referring to the market it is located in, which is Tijuana.
No, you had just corrected a guy in Baltimore, of all places, for saying it was in Tijuana. Then you, yourself, incorrectly said XEPRS is a Tijuana station.
----->Just as KHTS is in the San Diego market, although licensed to El Cajon...
And just as XETV viewers, the vast majority of whom do not get a signal from Mexico, watch Fox programming on a San Diego station, uplinked from San Diego, fibered to the cable headend from San Diego, marketed to the San Diego market,
----->In other words, you are just obfuscating and detracting from the discussion of the issue in the post: XETRA's failure to show in the ratings of LA, SD or Tijuana.
No David, I am detracting from your erroneous posts. I will be here to do it every single time you insult someone for making a technical error that you yourself indulge in.
Perhaps you need another identity transplant. That worked for a couple of days last week before you were smoked out ....
zumahans said:---->You still have not said anything meaningful about the subject of the thread.... which is "Why has 690 failed to show?"
Because I had to correct your sloppy scholarship, David, a tedious job but one I will do, kind of like the guy with the puke bucket at Legend City.
And you still have not said anything abut the subject of this thread.
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Davey, turning blue with exasperation:
----->And you still have not said anything abut the subject of this thread.
Oh really?
I call your attention to page 2, where I said:
>"I fail to understand why this subject is even being mentioned here. XETRA is "not in the San Diego market" - according to Arbitron expert and formerly disgraced Radio Recuerdo-Davido expert THE OLD GRINGO."<
After all, why are we discussing XETRA not appearing in the San Diego ratings, when this is a San Diego market discussion board and - repeat after me - David Eduardo erroneously says XETRA is not in the San Diego market.
David Eduardo erroneously says XETRA is not in the San Diego market.
Thank you.
If XETRA is not in the San Diego market, why are you talking about it? Answer: because it is in the San Diego market, and the obvious (if unsaid) point is that the Grupo de Madrid doesn't have a clue how to program it in any language.
Perhaps that point is too obvious for a blunderbuss like Gabacho Viejo, er, Rosarito gringo, I mean ...
What is your identity this week, please?
----->And you still have not said anything abut the subject of this thread.
Oh really?
I call your attention to page 2, where I said:
>"I fail to understand why this subject is even being mentioned here. XETRA is "not in the San Diego market" - according to Arbitron expert and formerly disgraced Radio Recuerdo-Davido expert THE OLD GRINGO."<
After all, why are we discussing XETRA not appearing in the San Diego ratings, when this is a San Diego market discussion board and - repeat after me - David Eduardo erroneously says XETRA is not in the San Diego market.
David Eduardo erroneously says XETRA is not in the San Diego market.
Thank you.
If XETRA is not in the San Diego market, why are you talking about it? Answer: because it is in the San Diego market, and the obvious (if unsaid) point is that the Grupo de Madrid doesn't have a clue how to program it in any language.
Perhaps that point is too obvious for a blunderbuss like Gabacho Viejo, er, Rosarito gringo, I mean ...
What is your identity this week, please?
zumahans said:After all, why are we discussing XETRA not appearing in the San Diego ratings, when this is a San Diego market discussion board and - repeat after me - David Eduardo erroneously says XETRA is not in the San Diego market.
If XETRA is not in the San Diego market, why are you talking about it? Answer: because it is in the San Diego market, and the obvious (if unsaid) point is that the Grupo de Madrid doesn't have a clue how to program it in any language.
1. XETRA is a classic "border blaster" and is a Tijuana metro station. It is not a San Diego station, nor is it an LA staiton, although folks going back to Gordon McLendon in 1960 have tried to serve LA with it as what we call today a rimshot.
2. Border blasters are called same because they attempt to sell advertising or goods or God in US markets despite belonging to Mexican markets. the term goes back to the 30's.
3. XETRA is not owne by the "Grupo de Madrid" but by Grupo PRISA via its subsidiary "Grupo Latino de Radio" in Miami which holds th eUS sales rights to this MEXICAN radio staiton. There is no such thing as the "Grupo de Madrid." Were you referring to a generic group, then "Grupo" would not be capitalized. "Grupo" in Spanish is a generic term... similar to our "& Company" in English.
4. "We" is a lot of people. You are not taling about the programming of XETRA. The rest of us are discussing why this border blaster (or, in today's terms, "rimshot") intended to get audience in SD and LA is not doing so. Why have others been able to get numbers in the US with foreign signals, and PRISA has not? Do you have any thoughts, or are you just going to keep interrupting the thread with nonsense?
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1. "XETRA is a classic border blaster." WRONG. Look it up anywhere, a classic border blaster was (a) in English, (b) selling products (many of them illegal or questionable), to (c) audiences all across the continent, relying on (d) direct response advertising. XETRA dates from, what, 1961?, and came after the border blaster era had petered out. XETRA has always been aimed at the SD and LA markets, having sales offices and occasional ratings (back in its all-news 60s, and briefly with Jim Rome) up in LA.
2. "Border blasters" like what you describe are far different from the Tijuana stations that serve the San Diego market 24/7, David. The old XEMO, XER, XERF, XEG etc. blowtorches used nighttime skywave AM propogation during the period from the 1930s through the 1950s to reach AM audiences all across North America. They included such colorful characters as Wolfman Jack, Rev. Ike, "Dr." J.R. Brinkley, and Pappy O'Daniel. Perhaps you should consult the excellent book "Border Radio: Quacks, Yodelers, Pitchmen, Psychics, and other Amazing Broadcasters of the American Airwaves" by Bill Bradford. Totally-incorrect conclusion.
I am shocked you do not know the true history of border blasters, which were AM stations that programmed shows (many of them for illegal, quack cures) for U.S. audiences at night. This is far different from an AM, FM or TV station providing conventional commercial programming 24/7 for just the one local market, San Diego.
3. I was making fun of Grupo Prisa, which is headquarters in MADRID. And I capitalize it because it is a proper noun, which in English is capitalized. This conversation is in English, and if that makes you squirm then perhaps we can switch over to German. Supercilious, fatuous correction.
4. "We" live in a free world and many of "us" think it is "you" who infects threads with erroneous or malicious nonsense, such as this latest major DE error that I respond to now.Your opinion, based on your errors.
Not bad, Davey. You managed just three screwups in 4 paragraphs this morning. That makes a total of 7 errors of fact in this thread alone.
2. "Border blasters" like what you describe are far different from the Tijuana stations that serve the San Diego market 24/7, David. The old XEMO, XER, XERF, XEG etc. blowtorches used nighttime skywave AM propogation during the period from the 1930s through the 1950s to reach AM audiences all across North America. They included such colorful characters as Wolfman Jack, Rev. Ike, "Dr." J.R. Brinkley, and Pappy O'Daniel. Perhaps you should consult the excellent book "Border Radio: Quacks, Yodelers, Pitchmen, Psychics, and other Amazing Broadcasters of the American Airwaves" by Bill Bradford. Totally-incorrect conclusion.
I am shocked you do not know the true history of border blasters, which were AM stations that programmed shows (many of them for illegal, quack cures) for U.S. audiences at night. This is far different from an AM, FM or TV station providing conventional commercial programming 24/7 for just the one local market, San Diego.
3. I was making fun of Grupo Prisa, which is headquarters in MADRID. And I capitalize it because it is a proper noun, which in English is capitalized. This conversation is in English, and if that makes you squirm then perhaps we can switch over to German. Supercilious, fatuous correction.
4. "We" live in a free world and many of "us" think it is "you" who infects threads with erroneous or malicious nonsense, such as this latest major DE error that I respond to now.Your opinion, based on your errors.
Not bad, Davey. You managed just three screwups in 4 paragraphs this morning. That makes a total of 7 errors of fact in this thread alone.
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So, to sum up your errors from just this thread:
"XETRA is a classic border blaster." Wrong, it hasn't been that since McLendon took over (what was it, XEAK I think?), back in 1961.
"XEPRS is a Tijuana station." Wrong, it is licensed to Rosarito, as you correct people (see baltimore pages).
"XEPRS is a part of the Tijuana market." Wrong, it has forsaken its transmitter site and has studios, accounts, contracts, and audience in San Diego, making it a San Diego market station.
"XETV 'Fox 6 San Diego' is not a San Diego market station." Wrong, only its transmitter is in Mexico, 90 percent of its viewers watch a signal that has never set zapatos in Mexico, and its xmtr location is a mere vestige of 1950s TV technology, not new millenium marketing and usage facts. Studios, programming source, accolunts, audience, all in El Norte.
"91X, 90.3, all the others are not San Diego market stations." Wrong. Ibid.
And how does it all relate to 690's failure to show in the ratings? Pay attention, David, connect the dots. It shows that 690 is a station owned by parachute artists called the Group Of Owners de Madrid (the GOOMboys) ostensibly programmed for the San Diego market (per their statements), but has woefully failed, while at the same time making the Old Gabacho's grand pronouncements and corrections demonstrably wrong.
GOOMboys. I like that.
"XETRA is a classic border blaster." Wrong, it hasn't been that since McLendon took over (what was it, XEAK I think?), back in 1961.
"XEPRS is a Tijuana station." Wrong, it is licensed to Rosarito, as you correct people (see baltimore pages).
"XEPRS is a part of the Tijuana market." Wrong, it has forsaken its transmitter site and has studios, accounts, contracts, and audience in San Diego, making it a San Diego market station.
"XETV 'Fox 6 San Diego' is not a San Diego market station." Wrong, only its transmitter is in Mexico, 90 percent of its viewers watch a signal that has never set zapatos in Mexico, and its xmtr location is a mere vestige of 1950s TV technology, not new millenium marketing and usage facts. Studios, programming source, accolunts, audience, all in El Norte.
"91X, 90.3, all the others are not San Diego market stations." Wrong. Ibid.
And how does it all relate to 690's failure to show in the ratings? Pay attention, David, connect the dots. It shows that 690 is a station owned by parachute artists called the Group Of Owners de Madrid (the GOOMboys) ostensibly programmed for the San Diego market (per their statements), but has woefully failed, while at the same time making the Old Gabacho's grand pronouncements and corrections demonstrably wrong.
GOOMboys. I like that.
OldGringo said:3. XETRA is not owne by the "Grupo de Madrid" but by Grupo PRISA via its subsidiary "Grupo Latino de Radio" in Miami which holds th eUS sales rights to this MEXICAN radio staiton. There is no such thing as the "Grupo de Madrid." Were you referring to a generic group, then "Grupo" would not be capitalized. "Grupo" in Spanish is a generic term... similar to our "& Company" in English.
Only you would care about such trivia....
But if we are talking about some stations beginning with the letter "X" I have one for you....
Have you ever considered XELAX???
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Damn damn damn. How could I have not seen that one?
The best part is, he corrected me for bad Spanish usage, but I was writing in English, where proper names are capitalized.
I can hear it now:
"X-LAX! SSSSSsssmoooooth jazzzzz, 690, with another big movement coming up after you go get the newspaper! Equis eh el ah equis, el gran movimiento de Tijuana."
That probably would cume better than what the Grupo Sin Conceptos has done to a once-great station.
The best part is, he corrected me for bad Spanish usage, but I was writing in English, where proper names are capitalized.
I can hear it now:
"X-LAX! SSSSSsssmoooooth jazzzzz, 690, with another big movement coming up after you go get the newspaper! Equis eh el ah equis, el gran movimiento de Tijuana."
That probably would cume better than what the Grupo Sin Conceptos has done to a once-great station.
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